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jennifercheck
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posted June 12, 2020 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jennifercheck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My full chart:
https://imageshack.com/i/pmuYox6Lp

Is there anyone in here with these aspects or similar ones? Could anyone tell me what these aspects mean?

I know that the Saturn one is causing my inability to connect with "society" but i would still be very grateful if someone explained it to me in detail and I have no idea what the Jupiter one means.

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posted June 13, 2020 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome! Remove the "s" for it to link.

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posted June 13, 2020 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I have to leave the house, but I'm trying to post this for you. I hope it works.

I know someone with Saturn in the 11th, but it's conjunct Mars, and square Pluto, so his will probably behave differently. When I knew him back in 2006-2011, he told me that he had no contact with his family, he left them behind, and I also witnessed him cut friends off, too. He has trust issues, and told me again last year, that he has trouble trusting people, and opening up (I do, too, but not to that extent anymore - I used to keep everything to myself, and he was one of the first people that I really talked to, outside of my family). We cut ties again recently, but I know that he could pop up again, when he's in a mood to.

There were times when he told me things about his life and himself, but he holds things even closer to his vest now. He will bring things up when he feels comfortable, or when he's annoyed - kind of like me (I'm either in a really good mood, or really depressed, if I spill whatever's on my mind). His Mars/Saturn is right at the beginning of Cancer. He can be entertaining, and charming - he's smart as hell - and then he will disappear into himself for a while. He loved quarantine, because he had all of this free time to himself.

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posted June 13, 2020 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 200francs     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi! I created an account to reply this post, because we have essentially the same jupiter and saturn placements. I also have jupiter leo, retrograde, but conjunct my ascendant by less than a degree and in the 12th using placidius. Along with gemini saturn retrograde in the 11th. I’m guessing we were born a couple months apart, but I was born in December instead.

From my personal experience, jupiter rx in leo has given me a kind of almost aggressive idealism. Almost like... having an intuition that I know things will turn out. I’m kind of dogmatic. I like to make jokes and be the class clown, the star, but only in really specific settings (music class). The aggresiveness could be due to my jupiters extremely close squares to my venus conjunct mars in scorpio, though. Jupiter on my ascendant mainly brings to me a very cognizable outlook, I’m aware of myself as a leo ascendant and I have my own planned philosophy as to how I think and present myself.

Considering you’re an aquarius, opposite to your leo jupiter, things could be a bit different. You may have differences between your inner self view/presentation and your ego, if that makes sense.

With saturn rx, I personally have had a lot of friends frequently exit and enter my life. I have found socializing difficult my entire life, I’ve been mainly bullied before by those whom I thougnt were friends. Bullying and eventually becoming a social outcast for a few years has in turn affected my outlook and philosophy today. I plan to keep many of my friends along with me until we grow old, but I’m unsure if I have the social abilities to do so.

By the way, I have both sun in capricorn and moon in libra (each ruled by saturn), and because aquarius and capricorn are both different expressions of saturn just know our inner and outer experiences won’t be the exact same.

Another thing I think is from my saturn rx and my jupiter rx is that I have a lot of ideas on how to change society fundamentally, and I try to think to the root cause of a situation.

I’ve also read that the 11th house can represent your goals or dreams, and I can relate to that as I have planned out my dreams personally from a very early age. I want to be everything at once, every profession imaginable... ballet dancer, surgeon, writer, jazz musician, etc. etc.

My point is, saturn rx in the 11th likely has you thinking on being traditional vs eccentric and being very planning and decisive on your friends/accquaintances, your relationship to society, your goals and dreams, and other saturn/uranus related stuff with a gemini-ish touch. The rx likely makes your approach either more focused on your inner self or more convoluted.

Jupiter rx in the 1st likely affects your state of mind and the way you see things through your eyes. You’re probably either educated or thoughtful on your interactions with the rest of the world, or very unwise to it (because jupiter is like wise vs unwise depending how you use it). But with a leo/aquarius axis touch, along with the factors of your rx.

I hope this helps somehow, apologies for being likely long winded!

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jennifercheck
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posted June 13, 2020 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jennifercheck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by teasel:

I have to leave the house, but I'm trying to post this for you. I hope it works.

I know someone with Saturn in the 11th, but it's conjunct Mars, and square Pluto, so his will probably behave differently. When I knew him back in 2006-2011, he told me that he had no contact with his family, he left them behind, and I also witnessed him cut friends off, too. He has trust issues, and told me again last year, that he has trouble trusting people, and opening up (I do, too, but not to that extent anymore - I used to keep everything to myself, and he was one of the first people that I really talked to, outside of my family). We cut ties again recently, but I know that he could pop up again, when he's in a mood to.

There were times when he told me things about his life and himself, but he holds things even closer to his chest now. He will bring things up when he feels comfortable, or when he's annoyed - kind of like me (I'm either in a really good mood, or really depressed, if I spill whatever's on my mind). His Mars/Saturn is right at the beginning of Cancer. He can be entertaining, and charming - he's smart as hell - and then he will disappear into himself for a while. He loved quarantine, because he had all of this free time to himself.


Thank you for uploading this for me!
Wow, i relate so much to most of this. I've cut off ALL of my family members except for my grandmother and my aunt but i honestly had good reason to. I had to go through years of gaslighting, emotional and physical abuse. I definitely have trust issues too. It's the reason why I've never been in a relationship but I'm still in my late teens so it's not fatal.

I honestly have only one friend but she lives in a different country and we don't communicate that often. I am incredibly hard to get to know, i am a complete social outcast and i DO NOT open up to anyone. Ever. The only person that truly knows me is the girl i mentioned above.

I really feel like i was simply born to be a detached, aloof, socially isolated recluse. And yes, i definitely do the "pop in and out of your life" thing all the time. I've never really thought about it before because like i said, i don't know many people to begin with. I suppose it must be a defense mechanism and it's one of the reasons why me and the only "friend" i have don't talk often.

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jennifercheck
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posted June 13, 2020 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jennifercheck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 200francs:
Hi! I created an account to reply this post, because we have essentially the same jupiter and saturn placements. I also have jupiter leo, retrograde, but conjunct my ascendant by less than a degree and in the 12th using placidius. Along with gemini saturn retrograde in the 11th. I’m guessing we were born a couple months apart, but I was born in December instead.

From my personal experience, jupiter rx in leo has given me a kind of almost aggressive idealism. Almost like... having an intuition that I know things will turn out. I’m kind of dogmatic. I like to make jokes and be the class clown, the star, but only in really specific settings (music class). The aggresiveness could be due to my jupiters extremely close squares to my venus conjunct mars in scorpio, though. Jupiter on my ascendant mainly brings to me a very cognizable outlook, I’m aware of myself as a leo ascendant and I have my own planned philosophy as to how I think and present myself.

Considering you’re an aquarius, opposite to your leo jupiter, things could be a bit different. You may have differences between your inner self view/presentation and your ego, if that makes sense.

With saturn rx, I personally have had a lot of friends frequently exit and enter my life. I have found socializing difficult my entire life, I’ve been mainly bullied before by those whom I thougnt were friends. Bullying and eventually becoming a social outcast for a few years has in turn affected my outlook and philosophy today. I plan to keep many of my friends along with me until we grow old, but I’m unsure if I have the social abilities to do so.

By the way, I have both sun in capricorn and moon in libra (each ruled by saturn), and because aquarius and capricorn are both different expressions of saturn just know our inner and outer experiences won’t be the exact same.

Another thing I think is from my saturn rx and my jupiter rx is that I have a lot of ideas on how to change society fundamentally, and I try to think to the root cause of a situation.

I’ve also read that the 11th house can represent your goals or dreams, and I can relate to that as I have planned out my dreams personally from a very early age. I want to be everything at once, every profession imaginable... ballet dancer, surgeon, writer, jazz musician, etc. etc.

My point is, saturn rx in the 11th likely has you thinking on being traditional vs eccentric and being very planning and decisive on your friends/accquaintances, your relationship to society, your goals and dreams, and other saturn/uranus related stuff with a gemini-ish touch. The rx likely makes your approach either more focused on your inner self or more convoluted.

Jupiter rx in the 1st likely affects your state of mind and the way you see things through your eyes. You’re probably either educated or thoughtful on your interactions with the rest of the world, or very unwise to it (because jupiter is like wise vs unwise depending how you use it). But with a leo/aquarius axis touch, along with the factors of your rx.

I hope this helps somehow, apologies for being likely long winded!


Thank you for taking your time to make an account in order to reply to this! Yeah, it's possible that our birth dates are close to each other. I suppose you're quite young?

I can relate to the intuition. I know what can possibly work out in terms of my future, career and et cetera and i can be incredibly stubborn because of it. I definitely get the aggressiveness too but it's possible that mine comes from my mars conjunct pluto.

I've been bullied and ridiculed all my life. Let's just say that I've been socially isolated for years and i still am, i don't have any friends except for one that i don't even talk to very often. So i get the nervousness over potentially not being able to maintain friendships. When it comes to the social aspect of my life i don't feel like i am living and in control of my life, i feel like life is happening to me.

I cannot relate to wanting to be the center of attention, being the class clown and et cetera though. I have always been incredibly withdrawn, detached, introverted and aloof and i hate receiving any kind of attention.

It's funny because my hatred of people looking at me and so on led me to almost starving myself to death and wearing baggy, ugly clothing for 2-3 years (and essentially overall trying to make myself "ugly" as possible) because despite not feeling attractive people have always considered me to be really objectively attractive and I've always received a lot of unnecessary attention because of my physical appearance.

So all of that + childhood trauma and lots of sexual harassment resulted in me almost dying from severe anorexia 3 years ago. Plenty of what you're saying heavily resonates with me though. Have you ever done the MBTI test? If so, what's your type? I'm asking because you seem like an intuitive type like me but i might be wrong.

P.S. i love music too, hahah! I've actually started playing the guitar this year .

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posted June 14, 2020 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jennifercheck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 14, 2020 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 200francs     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jennifercheck:
Thank you for taking your time to make an account in order to reply to this! Yeah, it's possible that our birth dates are close to each other. I suppose you're quite young?

I can relate to the intuition. I know what can possibly work out in terms of my future, career and et cetera and i can be incredibly stubborn because of it. I definitely get the aggressiveness too but it's possible that mine comes from my mars conjunct pluto.

I've been bullied and ridiculed all my life. Let's just say that I've been socially isolated for years and i still am, i don't have any friends except for one that i don't even talk to very often. So i get the nervousness over potentially not being able to maintain friendships. When it comes to the social aspect of my life i don't feel like i am living and in control of my life, i feel like life is happening to me.

I cannot relate to wanting to be the center of attention, being the class clown and et cetera though. I have always been incredibly withdrawn, detached, introverted and aloof and i hate receiving any kind of attention.

It's funny because my hatred of people looking at me and so on led me to almost starving myself to death and wearing baggy, ugly clothing for 2-3 years (and essentially overall trying to make myself "ugly" as possible) because despite not feeling attractive people have always considered me to be really objectively attractive and I've always received a lot of unnecessary attention because of my physical appearance.

So all of that + childhood trauma and lots of sexual harassment resulted in me almost dying from severe anorexia 3 years ago. Plenty of what you're saying heavily resonates with me though. Have you ever done the MBTI test? If so, what's your type? I'm asking because you seem like an intuitive type like me but i might be wrong.

P.S. i love music too, hahah! I've actually started playing the guitar this year .


I think I actually have an old friend born around the same day as you! She’s a scorpio asc though. Yes, I am pretty young.

I think that us being different on the attention/class clown end makes sense as you’re an aquarius sun. You chart is ruled by your sun, and it’s opposite your ascendant, activating some discord between your sun/ascendant and also jupiter. Like I said before aquarius and capricorn can be like two sides of the coin, maybe capricorn is like being more enterprising socially but aquarius is like being enterprising non socially. Or, I mean like capricorn sun/leo asc born with that jupiter are more focused on a close to you type of social cause its chart ruler is under the horizon (under the asc/dsc line); and aqua sun/leo ascs born with that jupiter are more focused on a society/less close to you type of social because it’s over the horizon.

I actually am an INTP, that’s funny. It’s good to hear you’re doing better on the end of your anorexia.

I’ve played trombone for the past almost 5 years, so I’ve got that. If I get any more to say on jupiter/saturn bubbling up in my brain later, I’ll comment. Ciao!


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posted June 16, 2020 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jennifercheck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 200francs:
I think I actually have an old friend born around the same day as you! She’s a scorpio asc though. Yes, I am pretty young.

I think that us being different on the attention/class clown end makes sense as you’re an aquarius sun. You chart is ruled by your sun, and it’s opposite your ascendant, activating some discord between your sun/ascendant and also jupiter. Like I said before aquarius and capricorn can be like two sides of the coin, maybe capricorn is like being more enterprising socially but aquarius is like being enterprising non socially. Or, I mean like capricorn sun/leo asc born with that jupiter are more focused on a close to you type of social cause its chart ruler is under the horizon (under the asc/dsc line); and aqua sun/leo ascs born with that jupiter are more focused on a society/less close to you type of social because it’s over the horizon.

I actually am an INTP, that’s funny. It’s good to hear you’re doing better on the end of your anorexia.

I’ve played trombone for the past almost 5 years, so I’ve got that. If I get any more to say on jupiter/saturn bubbling up in my brain later, I’ll comment. Ciao!


Hahah, i knew that you were an INxx! I am an INTJ

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