posted June 18, 2020 10:44 PM            

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Originally posted by MilaBirkin:
I'm interested in this but I don't know if I understood it correctly, does it mean that people with the same ascendant and degree look similar? And is not the same with people who only share the same ascendant?

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posted June 19, 2020 12:41 PM            

https://altairastrology.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/more-on-the-terms-or-bounds/

More on the Terms or Bounds
Posted on March 1, 2009
As mentioned in “Terms, Bounds and Appearance” the terms have some unusual features. First of all they are the only set of dignities that exclude the Sun and Moon. Although some say that the ‘bounds’ for the lights are extended to the nocturnal and diurnal signs – the Sun having its ‘bounds’ from 0 Leo to 30 Capricorn and the Moon from 0 Aquarius to 30 Cancer. But this is not practicable.

Ptolemy mentions three variations in his Tetrabiblos but only gives the tabulated values for the Egyptian terms and his mysterious, now called ptolemaic terms. He mentions the Chaldean terms but only describes how they are calculated. Some confuse the Chaldean terms with the ptolemaic terms but I think this is understandable considering how briefly he discusses them.

Like so many things astrological there are different preferences. Most astrologers in Hellenistic times seemed to have used the Egyptian terms, maybe because they didn’t buy Ptolemy’s story of finding them in an ancient manuscript? We will never know for sure whether Ptolemy did indeed find a system as ancient as the Egyptian or whether the manuscript was merely a device for giving his system some authority. The argument for the first is that Ptolemy was an encyclopaedist who collected all the material available to him (and before the burning of the library in Alexandria that would have been plenty) and not an astrologer. I haven’t come across any reference to his system being used during or after his time, but that doesn’t mean that this wasn’t the case, it just means I haven’t come across documentation. Ptolemy’s terms seemed to have been more popular in the middle ages to the time of William Lilly. Both he and Bonatus provide tables for the Ptolemaic terms. Interestingly enough Johannes Schöner in his book on the Judgement of Nativities used Egyptian terms.

I am not about to recommend one or the other leaving it to your judgement, dear reader. Both camps will tell you that their system works. And indeed both systems share some common features. There are differences in some of the signs and there are also often differences in how large the bounds are in each sign. But compared to the Chaldean system they are more similar than different. The Chaldean system seems accounts for a diurnal or nocturnal birth, with the term positions of Saturn and Mercury dependant on this. The Egyptian and ptolemaic systems ignore this. Also the Chaldean system has a regular division of degrees in each sign. The first term always has 8 degrees and each succeeding term one degree less (8-7-6-5-4).

I am including all three tables here for your perusal and comparison. I have marked those positions in the ptolemaic terms that are different from the Egyptian to make this easier. I hope that I haven’t made any typographic errors in spite of proofreading twice. (but should an error have slipped in please let me know!)

Egyptian Terms
Egyptian Terms

Ptolomeic Terms (differences to Egyptian in gray)
Ptolomeic Terms (differences to Egyptian in grey)

Chaldean Terms (for Saturn/Mercury the diurnal planet is indicated first)
Chaldean Terms (for Saturn/Mercury the diurnal planet is indicated first)

Now that we have all three tables it will be interesting to compare the images of our Nobel Laureates. Some, such as Samuel Beckett have the same term ruler no matter which term system you use. With others there are differences and that we want to look at, but please no arguments about whether the Egyptian system is better than the ptolemaic or vice-versa. Should you comment you may however state which term system you think comes closer to the pictures. We have one disadvantage and that is that the pictures are static and deliver no gesture which makes quite a difference. I was, for example able to guess the terms (I won’t tell you which 🙂 ) for all of my family, and my wife, who has little astrology could also do the same…

posted June 19, 2020 03:33 PM            

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The subdivision of 36 Decans, would explain why people of the same Rising Sign look completely different, correct?

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It's not that simple. The biggest task is always getting the Asc degree precisely correct. Too many charts don't have that, so it is impossible to do a thorough comparison using presumably accurate charts. And planets are the core of astrology, not signs or decans. So a single angular, close aspect by a planet can change what you may expect from a particular rising sign or decan's contribution to appearance.

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posted June 19, 2020 05:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
should though i don't fit the 2nd decan libra rising descriptions i've seen

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posted June 20, 2020 02:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98:
What about this one: https://the-rebel-shaman.tumblr.com/post/157811031611/libra-rising

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posted June 20, 2020 12:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
nope read it before, doesnt fit

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posted June 20, 2020 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98:
Which sign is the ruler of your Ascending Degree in?

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i have venus conjunct ascendant, both libra, 2 degrees apart

i also have ketu conjunct ascendant, mars square ascendant, moon opposite ascendant, uranus sextile ascendant, and mercury sextile ascendant

only thing i can say is the more general not decan based **** fit

people find me attractive, i have dimples (each cheek + chin) and so on