posted June 19, 2020 06:44 PM            

There's people out there who are quiet too but they don't think of them that way. So what could it possibly be?

I'm asking because I'm that person. I was surprised when my mom confronted why I didn't like ____ or _____. But I didn't think much about ____ or ____. I'm just in my own headspace and I greet them on the occasion.

So i'm suspecting people feel uncomfortable around me because they think I don't like them. I get anxious (which something you wont see in the chart) when I talk to people so I keep my conversation short but how far can we rely on our chart to show this?

posted June 20, 2020 04:18 AM            

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Originally posted by SimplyLuna:
What in the chart reflects that people thinks you don't like them but you're just quiet and reserved or dont open up easily?

There's people out there who are quiet too but they don't think of them that way. So what could it possibly be?

I'm asking because I'm that person. I was surprised when my mom confronted why I didn't like ____ or _____. But I didn't think much about ____ or ____. I'm just in my own headspace and I greet them on the occasion.

So i'm suspecting people feel uncomfortable around me because they think I don't like them. I get anxious (which something you wont see in the chart) when I talk to people so I keep my conversation short but how far can we rely on our chart to show this?

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General answers to your general question on this thread will not be of much help to you.

To get specific answers (that could be very helpful/enlightening), you'd need to post your natal chart on the personal readings board ... and ask "What in my natal chart reflects that people think I don't like them (when I am actually just quiet and reserved, or dont open up easily)?".

posted June 24, 2020 12:27 AM            

Thanks for the advice! I was taking a break over the weekend and couldn't reach out. I'm not good formulating questions to get answers and I appreciate that <3

I have two charts here, hope thats okay. 2nd one is rectified but I still feel it's questionable at times and prefer my original chart but maybe it can give me answers which chart shows this vibe I give.

(They're less than 30 mins apart but it changes the planets conjunct on MC and DSC).

=> The photos are clickable <=

posted June 25, 2020 04:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Seline:
Hi Luna!
Actualy, your whole retro Mercury configuration is one big marker for anxiety. Cancer Rising included

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posted June 25, 2020 04:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
Wow, Scorpio moon/ Pluto on South node - it’s probably as dark as moon could go.

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posted June 25, 2020 04:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
The "most elevated planet" in the 10:59am chart is retrograde Mercury (in Pisces/10th, an uncomfortable placement)) ... And in the 10:33am chart, it is Jupiter (in Pisces/9th, a very comfortable placement).

The most-elevated-planet is most-noticed by others ... and my guess is that those others are noticing retrograde Mercury in detrimental Pisces, rather than your very-much-at-home (in it's own sign) Jupiter.

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posted June 25, 2020 08:41 PM            

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Originally posted by SimplyLuna:
oh haha, its Libra moon. The photo is too tiny to see that

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posted June 26, 2020 10:09 AM            

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Originally posted by SimplyLuna:
oh wow, I didn't know having Mercury Pisces Rx conjunct MC can be a negative impact. Communication: trying to speak clearly, naturally is my long life journey. This can put my position into people think I dislike them? Pisces energy is rather sympathetic, I would think people see it differently.

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Reflect for a while upon what is involved in "trying to speak clearly". ... Is not your focus then upon what you are communicating, rather than upon what the other person is communicating? ... And, if so, might the other person (and observers) get the impression that you are not interested in what he/she is saying?

Then, filter that retrograde Mercury misunderstanding through the vagueness/confusion created by Mercury-in-detriment, ... Will Pisces not be seen as disinterested, rather than as sympathetic?

posted June 26, 2020 10:21 AM            

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Communication: trying to speak clearly, naturally is my long life journey.

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That is probably due to having Chiron in Gemini/12th. ... But, it might also indicate that your intercepted signs are Gemini/Sagittarius than Taurus/Scorpio.

If so, I'd expect the birth time to produce a chart that has Mercury closer to the MC than Jupiter and Gemini/Sagittarius intercepted. ... Thus, not before 10:57 am.

posted June 26, 2020 12:24 PM            

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Originally posted by SimplyLuna:
:\ I know someone with Mercury Rx, he's pretty fluid and relax. Pretty fast on thinking too and water rising, Scorpio. Could there be other factors?

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Yes, that's why I said configuration.

Personally, I don't see Mercury Rx as the main problem, it even feels good in Pisces because of it's unique way of synthesizing information - it doesn't bother with details but goes straight to the pure essence (and in the process can make you misunderstood by other people). By itself it's weak here (it would be your weakest point), but with Jupiter in the same sign, it's in far better position. It seriously modifies Mercury when together in Pisces, can give extremely high intelligence. That combined with that square from Uranus.. That's anxiety inducing too.

The issue is your 6th H Saturn. Squares from Saturn to Mercury and Jupiter are known as textbook markers for social anxiety (I'm considering house placements too, you got them covered). Especially your tight Saturn/Jupiter square that's known to be responsible for anxiety, depression and in the worst case scenario - suicide.

posted June 26, 2020 08:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
Reflect for a while upon what is involved in "trying to speak clearly". ... Is not your focus then upon what [b]you are communicating, rather than upon what the other person is communicating? ... And, if so, might the other person (and observers) get the impression that you are not interested in what he/she is saying?

Then, filter that retrograde Mercury misunderstanding through the vagueness/confusion created by Mercury-in-detriment, ... Will Pisces not be seen as disinterested, rather than as sympathetic?

So ... now reflect upon what is involved in 'being in my own headspace", when greeting others. [/B]

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Hmm I do practice my social skills often because I'm often quiet my life. It could be a misunderstanding. Bc I have complication of understanding via oral and reading. So my face makes these tensed up facial expression or a deer in the headlight - what I am really doing is translating it inside my head to understand the message. It isnt easy for me to do a back and forth conversation because I take words literally or it doesnt make sense. Or me asking for clarification often ruins the conversation.
I build a fear socializing bc I feel.. inadequate and compare myself to those who can socialize. Sometimes people look uninterested when I speak so that adds to it.

I'm in my own head a lot to recharge. If that's mistaken as disliking someone, I think I need to accept it has nothing to do with me (or even the chart). Bc i really do need to recharge and isolate myself esp from a long day or week. Otherwise my health falls apart.

posted June 26, 2020 08:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Seline:
Yes, that's why I said configuration.

Personally, I don't see Mercury Rx as the main problem, it even feels good in Pisces because of it's unique way of synthesizing information - it doesn't bother with details but goes straight to the pure essence (and in the process can make you misunderstood by other people). By itself it's weak here (it would be your weakest point), but with Jupiter in the same sign, it's in far better position. It seriously modifies Mercury when together in Pisces, can give extremely high intelligence. That combined with that square from Uranus.. That's anxiety inducing too.

The issue is your 6th H Saturn. Squares from Saturn to Mercury and Jupiter are known as textbook markers for social anxiety (I'm considering house placements too, you got them covered). Especially your tight Saturn/Jupiter square that's known to be responsible for anxiety, depression and in the worst case scenario - suicide.

So, if you fix your Saturn issues (by strict self-discipline), you fix Jupiter that helps your Mercury/MC work at it's full capacity. In return that'll activate your lovely success & money-making Moon/Pluto trine Jupiter. And then you can send me a pretzel, or something

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Haha! I think you deserve more than just a pretzel. So that's what you mean by configuration.

I think I naturally grew up disciplined and now on the path to learning to enjoy life (be less uptight but still at work). I put too much expectation on myself. I could be looking at Saturn the wrong way. I appreciate your interpretation. Will marinate all these valuable informations. Maybe one day Ill wake up realizing. Thanks Seline <3

posted June 26, 2020 10:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Seline:

Squares from Saturn to Mercury and Jupiter are known as textbook markers for social anxiety (I'm considering house placements too, you got them covered). Especially your tight Saturn/Jupiter square that's known to be responsible for anxiety, depression and in the worst case scenario - suicide.

So, if you fix your Saturn issues (by strict self-discipline), you fix Jupiter that helps your Mercury/MC work at it's full capacity. In return that'll activate your lovely success & money-making Moon/Pluto trine Jupiter. And then you can send me a pretzel, or something

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posted June 27, 2020 09:48 AM            

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Originally posted by SimplyLuna:
Hmm I do practice my social skills often because I'm often quiet my life. It could be a misunderstanding. Bc I have complication of understanding via oral and reading. So my face makes these tensed up facial expression or a deer in the headlight - what I am really doing is translating it inside my head to understand the message. It isnt easy for me to do a back and forth conversation because I take words literally or it doesnt make sense. Or me asking for clarification often ruins the conversation.
I build a fear socializing bc I feel.. inadequate and compare myself to those who can socialize. Sometimes people look uninterested when I speak so that adds to it.

I'm in my own head a lot to recharge. If that's mistaken as disliking someone, I think I need to accept it has nothing to do with me (or even the chart). Bc i really do need to recharge and isolate myself esp from a long day or week. Otherwise my health falls apart.

Didn't mean to write an essay but it feels natural to type. But Graham you could be on to something with the Gemini/Sag interception. I haven't look into much of interception. I notice my interaction with Sag/Gem planets (in synastry) are challenging. This is why I questioned about the 2nd chart. I feel confident the first is my chart <3 thanks Graham truly appreciate your insights.

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There is no need to change your natural self, SL ... You need only to be aware of how/why your shyness might be seen by the other person as indifference.

posted June 27, 2020 11:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
It’s an interesting idea. Do you think Mercury/Pluto/SN squares Jupiter and MC could be cause of anxiety/ depression? No bad Saturn.

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Yes. The main issue here would be the lack of faith in oneself and resolve to act when the action is most needed (Mercury square Jupiter/MC), combined with strong and probably very ambitious personality (Mercury/Pluto). With Node in the mix, finding courage to fight (often self-imposed) obstacles would be the lesson.

But - I don't know the whole chart. That example can manifest in few different ways. It can give you a megalomaniac too. With a tendency to pathologically lie. Or quiet and shy person who prefers spending their days reading and daydreaming, and drawing pentacles during the night. Both could be depressed.

posted June 29, 2020 12:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Seline:
Yes. The main issue here would be the lack of faith in oneself and resolve to act when the action is most needed (Mercury square Jupiter/MC), combined with strong and probably very ambitious personality (Mercury/Pluto). With Node in the mix, finding courage to fight (often self-imposed) obstacles would be the lesson.

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posted July 01, 2020 06:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
There is no need to change your natural self, SL ... You need only to be aware of how/why your shyness might be seen by the other person as indifference.

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