posted June 21, 2020 02:00 PM            

It's about artificial intelligence (AI), which is Uranian in nature, but if allowed to define the outer edge of functional intelligence could leave us lacking in the perception to navigate the tool we've come to rely on: the world wide web of images and video.

Seeing is no longer proof (when what we're seeing is digital media). Visuals can be used more effectively than ever for outright deception -- particularly of those willing to believe anything that props up their pre-held beliefs. Third-hand information now needs to be in some kind of certified written document when it comes to public figures, politics, etc. Laws will have to be carefully written to include deepfakes in legal definition of fraud. Until then, too many will be fooled.

Neptune energy is an extension of Venus-based heart/relating energy, being its higher octave. That is the motive of its pure energy.

When we see something that looks like 'bad Neptune' energy or deception it most likely is driven by another energy with another out of kilter agenda (deception, zero sum games, manipulation, profit motive, etc).

We must become more sophisticated citizens, more given to listening, waiting, and to patient consideration -- rather than emotive reactions and poisonous dialogue. Persons without those positive qualities will find it harder and harder to remain connected to what is real and may spin off into side stories generated by their own fears, anxieties, and lesser qualities.

It comes down to our willingness to believe something about someone else -- third parties we've never met -- and how willing we are to let it affect our state of mind. It is now more important than ever to remain mentally connected to verifiable facts and to a holistic understanding of how information is assembled for public consumption (again, Uranus).

Seeing through digital media is NOT proof of anything. Direct sensory view of an event while it is occurring is to witness it. Seeing a cyber event in digital form is not.

In other words, if we stumble over what Uranus is all about, it is hard to expect an ever more remote and trans-personal energy like Neptune to be navigable.

These developments also point out the role of Saturn (law, ethical restraints, self-control) and how it can be slow to catch up to the sensationalism produced by undeveloped use of Uranian or Neptunian energies. The law and ethics works from behind once technological advancements occur. The excitement of a profitable new arena of development often gets more attention than the ethical questions and regulation. We cannot afford that any longer. Attempting to use technology to police technology, as the article says, "will lead to an endless cat-and-mouse dynamic, similar to what exists in cybersecurity today ..."

Uranus: higher intelligence, technology, psi, collective consciousness.
Neptune: higher love (compassion), imagination (including the capacity for self-deception), ESP, intuition.

If intelligence is not accompanied by the Saturnine ethic of moral restraint or by compassion, what we get is prone to extremes.

IT IS NOW MORE IMPORTANT TO TUNE IN TO YOUR OWN INTUITION -- not about other people or other external events, but your own intuition about what is worthy of your attention and what your daily priorities should be. Community, connectedness, compassion are what create a world worth living in.

posted June 21, 2020 02:16 PM            

People are very quick to accept what they see, if it fits their preconceived notions. Confirmation bias.

Perhaps the development of new technologies that can determine if a footage is fake or genuine could be the counterpoint. For every thing created by man, something else can be created to balance it. In this instance, that would be the work of Saturn, sifting through the fog of Neptune to keep things real. On a personal psychological level, we need to use Saturn to keep our emotions at bay until we can determine if something is real or not. We need Saturn to stay grounded.

posted June 21, 2020 06:38 PM            

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Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
yes, the internet, we are the only generation to know the world with and without it, the generation with uranus cnj. Neptune in cap

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posted June 21, 2020 09:16 PM            

Machine Learning/ AI works by looking for similar patterns of problems and things it has encountered in the past, if it encounters something that's identical it will apply a similar solution.

But if it encounters something it hasn't seen before it will put it into whats called a training set/learning set and then try to figure it out...by testing it against a set of probabilities.

But that's also were you can defeat it!!!.

Unrelated but somewhat similar when they were testing self driving cars, the Machine Learning learnt that a Stop Sign is red and the sign is a hexagon.

People then started drawing dots on the sign and the AI got confused because the stop sign now became something completely different.

So you can defeat AI if you can trick it when its in the process of learning or if you can keep making the content completely different that it can not match it to something its seen before.

Eventually thought it will become harder to make content unique thought.

But I think payload encryption which there starting to apply to media content would add an extra layer which would make it harder to access and manipulate the media content, again Cat and Mouse game.

They would have to first break the encryption which is not unbreakable, but it would buy more then enough time (100+ yrs) to break. Then after they get access to the media content then they can manipulate it.

(BSc Honours in Computer Science).

posted June 22, 2020 06:13 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Generation X, too. I grew up without it, but was young when we first connected to the internet.

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posted June 22, 2020 11:08 AM            

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Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
Generation X, is the one between boomers and milenials?
I mean all the people that watched the internet grow (got to know the wrld wthout it) and also have an intelectual relation tto the young people (after2k).
People who where alredy grown ups when the internet formed, had alredy a formed intelect so they do not relate.
It seems that this is a surging issue nowadays, generational conflict

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Yeah. I’m near the end of generation X. I’ve just remembered that my cousin had a Commodore 64, when we were kids. Games, but no internet. I was in my teens, when the internet became a thing for everyone.

posted June 22, 2020 12:47 PM            

"internet became a think for everyone"
In the US perhaps, but I still think It was still shy and developing and assembling into society.
We grow up with MSN, icq, what was before that?

posted June 22, 2020 12:58 PM            

I see It more as open source in the beginning and the social purpouse beeing implemented after the 2000, with the social media/communication, the online gaming

posted June 22, 2020 01:10 PM            

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Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
@teasel
We had the "Nintendo 64"

"internet became a think for everyone"
In the US perhaps, but I still think It was still shy and developing and assembling into society.
We grow up with MSN, icq, what was before that?

Yeah, no conflict, the video I ser was talking more about Boomers and milenials.
I Said that cause I thought internet could make a bigger Gap between generationa

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posted June 23, 2020 12:13 PM            

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Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
yes, the internet, we are the only generation to know the world with and without it, the generation with uranus cnj. Neptune in cap

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posted June 23, 2020 01:42 PM            

In 1989, Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web, an Internet-based hypermedia initiative for global information sharing while at CERN, the European Particle Physics Laboratory. He wrote the first web client and server in 1990. His specifications of URIs, HTTP and HTML were refined as web technology spread.

https://internethalloffame.org/in ductees/tim-berners-lee#:~:text=In%201989%2C%20Tim%20Berners%2DLee,refined%20as%20web%20technology%20spread.

posted June 23, 2020 05:56 PM              

(Exact square my sun from the 8th too o.0 Now that I think bout it... Venus retro'd opposite my Sun as well at 21 Gem... Didn't think of it as a higher Neptune octave transit in the moment but it makes a lot of sense now!)

and ohh, i relate to this so much this year:

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IT IS NOW MORE IMPORTANT TO TUNE IN TO YOUR OWN INTUITION -- not about other people or other external events, but your own intuition about what is worthy of your attention and what your daily priorities should be. Community, connectedness, compassion are what create a world worth living in.

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posted June 23, 2020 07:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
[b]yes, the internet, we are the only generation to know the world with and without it, the generation with uranus cnj. Neptune in cap

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not just because you created a child that you will know its mind.

I have tried to explain it better in another post don`t know if you read it.

I don`t concider myself part of the internet genertation, I consider it beeing the generation after the millenials to be the internet generation, not to know the world without inernet.
And I think there is a generation that can grasp between the two sides of this gap that has been createt, and I don`t think it is the boomers, since for me they are on the opposite gap as the internet generation.

Its like creating a car, the creators won`t be good drivers, it will take some years for the true drifters to appear.

Same with the internet, only after the 2000 it became almost nessesary for society. and it seems society is indulged into it.