posted July 01, 2020 03:42 PM            

I have been thinking about "feminine" placements, signs etc. and water signs always come to mind because they're more emotional and so on. And I've come to find out that i have 0% water in my chart according to astro.com. 51 or 55% of my chart (i can't remember) is fire and everything else is air. Plus my sun, moon and rising signs are fixed.

In other threads i discussed with other users placements that might make me seem like "a b*tch "/cause bad reputation because that always seems to be people's perception of me without even having talked to me but how much of this could be also stemming from my lack of stereotypically feminine qualities, as well as the absolute lack of water placements in my chart? (+ the abundance of fixed signs in my main placements)

Don't get me wrong, i really care about people that are close to me. But i kind of feel "meh" about everyone else. I am going to ask how you're doing and so on out of politeness but i don't seem to fit the "motherly" and "caring" female stereotype. I obviously have empathy for humanity as a whole and i care about the general human consciousness but i definitely prefer helping humanity from a distance, so to speak.

For ex.: I'm much more drawn to making donations to charities than i am towards helping individuals unless i really care about them or someone who's right in front of me needs help with something. Even then, if I'm going to help people (individually) i prefer coming up with rational and pragmatic solutions to their problems as opposed to playing armchair psychologist. I can't understand my own emotions, let alone others so I'm not really good at solving emotional problems and/or providing emotional support.

I suppose people can sense that and it might rub them off the wrong way although if one were to approach me/ask help for something I'd always be nice to them and make them comfortable, even if it makes ME personally uncomfortable due to my asocialness.

I feel feminine from an energetic perspective. But if you were to analyze my behavioral preferences and my personality overall and weren't given any context about who the person whose personality you're theoretically talking about (including said person's gender and so on) you'd probably think of the stereotypical nerdy, shy and introverted guy that enjoys computer programming and math. Not a woman. Let alone a woman that looks like a bimbo/typical popular girl like me.

So even though i very much feel like i woman, i cannot relate to the stereotype of what a woman within the context of society should be. Which is funny because within platonic/romantic relationship i don't mind others taking the lead and being more "traditional" so to speak. At the same time i am really opinionated and stubborn and i won't let people walk all over me just because i'm a girl. I'm also not great at sugarcoating and being "ladylike". I can be very blunt and honest even though i'm quite shy and introverted.

I also have a resting b*tch face and I'm not overly expressive facially. Plus i hate talking about emotions. So i can seem super detached and aloof. I've been trying to find a photo of me with my typical resting b*tch face on and i only found one so i apologize about the bad quality and the weird photo. That's how my facial expression looks like in real life all the time. I suppose i usually look even more detached/aloof because I'm aware of the camera in front of me in the photo. I'm simply not the overly smiley, girl-next-door type.

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If anyone in here is into Jung and Myers-Briggs personality types - i also happen to be an INTJ. The most asocial and unfeminine personality type of them all. Think about Mark Zuckerberg's "dry" facial expressions and way of talking. That's exactly what i'm like in real life and people hate me for it although i've never actually been mean or unfriendly towards anyone. At least people assume that Mark is simply a shy nerd, i am a woman so i am always written off as an "arrogant b*tch " even though i am not. Not by any stretch of the imagination. If anything, I'm probably one of the most insecure people on earth.

I really try to be a little bit more feminine and sociable but i can't simply reconstruct my whole personality. If that means that I'll be a social outcast forever then so be it. And i can't relate to other women's way of thinking and behavior at all. That's not to say that i look down upon other women/think that i am better than them, I'm simply quite different which is neither a good or a bad thing but i get picked on exactly because of me being "abnormal" in that sense. The retrograde Saturn in my 11th house doesn't help me with my lack of ability to "fit in" either.

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posted July 01, 2020 04:29 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
You shouldn't have to change yourself, in order to fit in - there are people out there, who will accept you as you are. I'm not overly feminine myself, not the typical traditional kind of feminine, if you're thinking Donna Reed. I can be warm, though, make people feel comfortable, if I'm in the mood to try. Some people like that, others will consider it a fake personality trait, even though it's genuine (someone actually said that behind my back, about a decade ago - it amused me, because she hadn't had the guts to say it directly to me).

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posted July 01, 2020 05:34 PM            

I understand your post and your life experiences. I think you just have to "own it". If someone thinks you're a b*tch without knowing you, you are simply a blank canvas in which they are expressing their own insecurities.

With Leo Rising conj Jupiter, you have a BIG presence whether you do this intentionally or not. Sometimes rather than admire, people see themselves in a smaller light when you're nearby and they hate that, so they want to take you down. It'll make them feel better about themselves if they can crush someone that they perceive to be "so great", meanwhile there was nothing you could do to stop this from happening. Your energy simply sets other people on edge.

Just relax into who you are as a person. In my opinion you do have a masculine chart but that's what makes you cool and unique. Not everyone is meant to fit into a traditional feminine archetype (which is so limited anyway). Blaze your own path in the world, that's what you destiny calls out for you to do as an Aqua Sun (individuality/being a contrarian), Aries MC (trailblazer, the first to do something), Sagittarius Mars (someone with wanderlust and a devil-may-care energy), Leo Rising (the natural star of the show) and your Venus in Capricorn (ice queen with rightfully high standards).

Not everyone is meant to have a big giant friends circle where they're constantly taking girls-night-out pictures on instagram and that's okay. You have a powerful chart and I admire it. There will be people who love you for you and those are the only people that will ever matter.

BTW, how tall are you? That could also factor into the intimidation factor

posted July 01, 2020 05:57 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Taurus Moon is a deeply feminine placement in my experience!

I understand your post and your life experiences. I think you just have to "own it". If someone thinks you're a b*tch without knowing you, you are simply a blank canvas in which they are expressing their own insecurities.

With Leo Rising conj Jupiter, you have a BIG presence whether you do this intentionally or not. Sometimes rather than admire, people see themselves in a smaller light when you're nearby and they hate that, so they want to take you down. It'll make them feel better about themselves if they can crush someone that they perceive to be "so great", meanwhile there was nothing you could do to stop this from happening. Your energy simply sets other people on edge.

Just relax into who you are as a person. In my opinion you do have a masculine chart but that's what makes you cool and unique. Not everyone is meant to fit into a traditional feminine archetype (which is so limited anyway). Blaze your own path in the world, that's what you destiny calls out for you to do as an Aqua Sun (individuality/being a contrarian), Aries MC (trailblazer, the first to do something), Sagittarius Mars (someone with wanderlust and a devil-may-care energy), Leo Rising (the natural star of the show) and your Venus in Capricorn (ice queen with rightfully high standards).

Not everyone is meant to have a big giant friends circle where they're constantly taking girls-night-out pictures on instagram and that's okay. You have a powerful chart and I admire it. There will be people who love you for you and those are the only people that will ever matter.

BTW, how tall are you? That could also factor into the intimidation factor

It also might help to surround yourself with people who have water placements in their Big Three, as long as these people are high functioning. Sometimes a lack of something in our chart is meant to teach us something about that element in a big way throughout our lives

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Thank you. And I'm not particularly tall, I'm 5 ft 5.

posted July 01, 2020 07:09 PM            

I'd assume your very much like her I whould say she's more "dogged" and can always pull through.

I met her because at the time I moved to a different region, even thought it was only 400km (250 miles) away the people were radically different then what I was a accustomed to.

I have no doubt you would do something similar to someone in need.

Now whenever I need something she's there and I'm there if I can help her out.

She is with a Cancer Male,
Similarly to you she is drawn to water.

The only issue is Cancers can be very traditional and the thought of being an outcast whouldn't sit will with them.

An Aquarius would use it as a strength, if everyone is financially hurting and selling there homes because of COVID-19 the Aquarius would be the only one buying because they were smart enough to be different with there money and not follow everyone else's mistake.

Also, I figured your Leo Asc. would bring out some feminine traits.

posted July 01, 2020 07:25 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:

I understand your post and your life experiences. I think you just have to "own it". If someone thinks you're a b*tch without knowing you, you are simply a blank canvas in which they are expressing their own insecurities.

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posted July 01, 2020 09:07 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
My best female friend (I'm Male) has almost the same combination for the exception of her Asc/Rising being in Sagittarius.

I'd assume your very much like her I whould say she's more "dogged" and can always pull through.

I met her because at the time I moved to a different region, even thought it was only 400km (250 miles) away the people were radically different then what I was a accustomed to.

I have no doubt you would do something similar to someone in need.

Now whenever I need something she's there and I'm there if I can help her out.

She is with a Cancer Male,
Similarly to you she is drawn to water.

The only issue is Cancers can be very traditional and the thought of being an outcast whouldn't sit will with them.

An Aquarius would use it as a strength, if everyone is financially hurting and selling there homes because of COVID-19 the Aquarius would be the only one buying because they were smart enough to be different with there money and not follow everyone else's mistake.

Also, I figured your Leo Asc. would bring out some feminine traits.

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posted July 02, 2020 03:16 AM            

You don't appear to look b*tch faced at all. If anything the Scorpio stare is much worse and they can look way more unapproachable then you.

I think the issue could just be perspective going back to my Aquarious friend her Cancer guy always plays Mr. Nice guy which makes her look like the bad guy.

posted July 02, 2020 01:27 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
Previously I couldn't view the image you included.

You don't appear to look b*tch faced at all. If anything the Scorpio stare is much worse and they can look way more unapproachable then you.

I think the issue could just be perspective going back to my Aquarious friend her Cancer guy always plays Mr. Nice guy which makes her look like the bad guy.

I think your dealing with a similar issue were people misinterpret you and think the other way.

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posted July 02, 2020 01:56 PM            

If you are a man, you are a man, if you are a woman, you are a woman. Feminine and masculine are just stereotypes that are honestly silly.

If you see a man building a house it's normal, whereas if you see a woman building a house it's seen as a more "manly" thing to do. This is only true in societies that highly depend upon roles, but these "actions" being either "feminine" or "masculine" is BS.

If you are to simply be you, and not worry about these things, everything will work itself out, no matter your masculine or feminine polarity signs.

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posted July 03, 2020 06:46 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
The antichrist takes pride in his femininity. That's why he has so much power. Nothing is more feminine than knowing your soul, and he has taken that from humans completely. He is so feminine that he is homosexual and is proud to be gay. He flaunts it and even says he is more feminine than a woman. The epitome of femininity is overcoming death because nothing is more masculine than death. You deteriorate and become bitter. That's for people who are separated from their soul and true feminine nature. Those connected to it dont experience death in the body. This is the entire theme the Egyptians based their life on. The Jews say that the messiah will raise the dead from their graves, which is what the Egyptians say about Isis. That she will raise Osiris from the dead. Isis is a goddess that overcomes death the most feminine thing you can do and has to fight the gay antichrist for her soul.

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I get where you're going with this.

The point being that "femininity" is "metal AF."

There is no "I'm angry looking so I have masculine energy D:." or "I look so soft and motherly so I'm obs channeling pure feminine energy."

No, this is the same as those people who can only see women as mothers, b*tches, saints, or sl*ts. Femininity isn't about simply sitting down, looking pretty and not building anything :P What you are referring to, OP, is simply a construct made by humans. And masculinity isn't just "oh I'm a tough human, a big boulder."

Nature is considered feminine if you think about it, and nature is brutal.

The stereotypes we're fed are simply boxes, muzzles. There is no black and white.

Wanting to fit into a demented, unrealistic stereotype made up by insecure humans who've lost their way, is like wanting to make sure you're crazy enough to stay in an insane asylum.

posted July 03, 2020 10:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
I get where you're going with this.

The point being that "femininity" is "metal AF."

There is no "I'm angry looking so I have masculine energy D:." or "I look so soft and motherly so I'm obs channeling pure feminine energy."

No, this is the same as those people who can only see women as mothers, b*tches, saints, or sl*ts. Femininity isn't about simply sitting down, looking pretty and not building anything :P What you are referring to, OP, is simply a construct made by humans. And masculinity isn't just "oh I'm a tough human, a big boulder."

Nature is considered feminine if you think about it, and nature is brutal.

The stereotypes we're fed are simply boxes, muzzles. There is no black and white.

Wanting to fit into a demented, unrealistic stereotype made up by insecure humans who've lost their way, is like wanting to make sure you're crazy enough to stay in an insane asylum.

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posted August 24, 2020 08:34 PM            

Hopefully this doesn't backfire into creating another "factory stereotype" in which we all are expected to conform as if we were products off a factory line rather than diverse human beings (which I'd think anyone into detailed astrology wouldn't be into, but I've been surprised).

I will say that I've seen the "feminine" and "masculine" traits in astrology as more "yin" and "yang." That is, the "feminine" are more planners or manipulators, they DRAW things to them, while masculine is more about and TAKING things things in a more overt, direct manner. Yin tends to be introspective while Yang is extroverted.

That said, Yang is more associated with logic while Yin is more intuitive (but I'd say both types of thinking can be wildly irrational and wrong, not just one). Men with a "sixth sense" are not automatically feminine and can seem to know you better than yourself which can make them intimidating, and effective soldiers and the like in their own way, while women can be very practical about money matters and priorities. Most people don't question the masculinity of Dr. Phil who deals in emotions (and I'd say manipulations) or Gordan Ramsay for working in a kitchen, nor the femininity of nuns smacking hands with rulers, the women who passed prohibition in the early 20th century, or even Sarah Palin who has often been shown as hunting in the Alaskan wilderness (and not particularly known for her sentimentality).

You actually sound like you got some Yang to you that is suppressed by the expectations of others. That doesn't make you unfeminine, at least not in many places of the world. (And if it's natural, that is in the stars, for women to be passive, then why so many "shrew" laws that punished women for being something other than passive that have dominated much of human history? That is, passive women are unnatural, not the other way around. Some of the writings said even the Vikings feared their wives less than the people they raided...speaking of which, a shout out to Blenda .)

Lot's of signs have positive and negative manifestations. Some that suggest compassion (like water signs) can, if they manifest negatively, be more about self-absorption and their own feelings than the feelings of others (or only demonstrating care of others to try to harvest back as much as they can, getting the most for the least effort, who put others on huge guilt trips).

As for myself...not counting asteroids, the ONLY feminine placement is my 4H Scorpio Jupiter. I am extroverted (though I do a lot of self-reflecting, and generally avoid affairs I consider trivial even if they are popular). It did annoy me as a kid when people assumed my tomboy hobbies were just a strategy to get guys, and still does when some woman assumes I'm just after her man (or even just stokes her insecurities as she fears being even "second choice"), just as I do men who assume the point of my existence is to get a man, and if I'm not already taken (and maybe even if I am) then he's specially entitled to my time and attention. I've developed strategies to avoid this.

posted August 24, 2020 09:45 PM            

But then I also have a bunch of water in my chart.
Cancer Jupiter
Pisces Venus
Scorpio Moon
Scorpio Pluto
12th house Mercury
8th house Uranus
8th house Neptune

posted August 25, 2020 12:19 AM            

that being said i ******* love intjs they're my favorite (i'm not one i test as enfp always)