posted July 06, 2020 08:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
You may be mixing apples with oranges here, D2a.

However ... cazimi means "in the bosom of the Sun" ... and the theory is that planets in that situation are "favoured" (rather than combusted by being within the the blinding light of the Sun) ... http://crystalbastrology.com/meaning-of-cazimi-in-astrology/

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posted July 06, 2020 11:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
What am I mixing? His sun and mercury are on his mars/Pluto midpoint. There isn't a lot of info on this midpoint except it's supposed to be intense energy and sometimes very aggressive. How would that play into his sun/Merc? I should just look forward to a lot of fighting in his teen years lol?

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I thought a natal planet aspecting a midpoint put emphasis on that midpoint. Am I wrong?
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I am wondering if you are mixing, rather than stating it as a fact ... since it is a mid-point (rather than a planet) that is "in the bosom of the Sun".

In effect, it is the equivalent of a parent (Sun) having no particular preference for either of two children (Mars + Pluto) as individuals but being very much in-tune with them as a two person team. ... So, Sun might dislike (say) the aggression of Mars and the intensity of Pluto - but actively encourage them both to channel those energies into "achieving an objective".

Fighting would be the result of Mars and Pluto not working together - but focused determination (to achieve an objective) is the likely result of them working together. ... And, it will show in how he expresses himself (Sun) - or perhaps in what he chooses to fight about.

["Principle of Mars/Pluto mid-point: Intense aggression that may even be overpowering, or obsessive. The ability to get an extreme amount of work accomplished. Doing things that affect the whole world, or at least a great number of people. The desire to work toward a breakthrough. Domination of others, or running over them in an uncaring fashion. Extreme violence or brutality.

Process of Mars/Pluto mid-point: The intensification of one’s actions so that one may perceive both their constructive and destructive aspects. The realization of one’s power to effect deep and profound changes.

Sun activating Mars/Pluto mid-point: One who will work hard and relentlessly toward goals. Hard work has a destructive effect on one’s vitality and health. To be obsessive about one’s agendas may cause a breakthrough, but may also cause an intervention by Spirit as a means of realigning one’s goals in a manner that will better support one’s evolution.

Mercury activating Mars/Pluto mid-point: To say things that are extremely aggressive, which can sometimes cause a needed breakthrough. Overwork agitates and deteriorates the nervous system. The ability to go to anything lengths to get one’s ideas across." http://johnsandbach.net/astrology/marsplutomidpoint/ ]

posted July 07, 2020 02:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
In his natal he has the cazimi and its sitting on the Mars/Pluto and venus/Pluto midpoints in the 11H scorpio. I can already see that aggression and he's only 4 years old. I'm wondering how it could possibly effect his approach in matters of the 11H, especially in scorpio. And, how I could possibly help him deal with such an intense aspect.

Here is his natal http://imgur.com/a/obQWeJU

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"Mercury cazimi means that Mercury is “in the heart of the sun.” This gives mental abilites of the highest order. The mental abilities are strengthened and endowed with good fortune.
Not everyone walking around with Sun conjunction Mercury is a mental genius. Only those with Sun conjunction Mercury cazimi have their gears spinning at an enhanced speed. Those with Mercury combust, not so much." ... http://astrolibrary.org/interpretations/sun-conjunct-mercury/

So ... Mercury cazimi makes him intellectually gifted (because it is "at one" with the Sun) ... but does not function well in water sign Scorpio (as it needs to be free from the kind of subjectivity created by intense emotions). ... However, the 11th house is a good location for Mercury (because it brings intellectual contact with others, thus providing opportunities to become aware of his emotional-bias/Scorpio subjectivity).
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Next ... we need to consider how the slower-moving planets (Venus, Mars, Pluto) are "shaping"/modifying his as-one Sun/Mercury gift ... via conjunctions with the Venus/Pluto and Mars/Pluto mid-points (in Scorpio/11th house).

And here, the harmonic aspects between these 5 planets may be more informative/useful than the mid-point interpretations :-

SunMer 8H Venus : SunMer 96H Pluto : Venus 165H Pluto

SunMer 76H Mars : SunMer 96H Pluto : Mars 25H Pluto

So ... the Venus/Pluto mid-point derives "pleasure from planning creations" (15H) and is "doggedly persistent" (11H). ... Whilst the Mars/Pluto mid-point has "special mental faculties, that can result in over-thinking" (25H).

Meanwhile ... the as-one SunMercury 96H Pluto is "persistently striving for self-empowerment"; the SunMer 8H Venus has "persistent personal values" and the SunMer 76H Mars is "actively striving to be accepted (i.e.. perceived as 'normal)".

posted July 08, 2020 09:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
[b]"Mercury cazimi means that Mercury is “in the heart of the sun.” This gives mental abilites of the highest order. The mental abilities are strengthened and endowed with good fortune.
Not everyone walking around with Sun conjunction Mercury is a mental genius. Only those with Sun conjunction Mercury cazimi have their gears spinning at an enhanced speed. Those with Mercury combust, not so much." ... http://astrolibrary.org/interpretations/sun-conjunct-mercury/

So ... Mercury cazimi makes him intellectually gifted (because it is "at one" with the Sun) ... but does not function well in water sign Scorpio (as it needs to be free from the kind of subjectivity created by intense emotions). ... However, the 11th house is a good location for Mercury (because it brings intellectual contact with others, thus providing opportunities to become aware of his emotional-bias/Scorpio subjectivity).
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Next ... we need to consider how the slower-moving planets (Venus, Mars, Pluto) are "shaping"/modifying his as-one Sun/Mercury gift ... via conjunctions with the Venus/Pluto and Mars/Pluto mid-points (in Scorpio/11th house).

And here, the harmonic aspects between these 5 planets may be more informative/useful than the mid-point interpretations :-

SunMer 8H Venus : SunMer 96H Pluto : Venus 165H Pluto

SunMer 76H Mars : SunMer 96H Pluto : Mars 25H Pluto

So ... the Venus/Pluto mid-point derives "pleasure from planning creations" (15H) and is "doggedly persistent" (11H). ... Whilst the Mars/Pluto mid-point has "special mental faculties, that can result in over-thinking" (25H).

Meanwhile ... the as-one SunMercury 96H Pluto is "persistently striving for self-empowerment"; the SunMer 8H Venus has "persistent personal values" and the SunMer 76H Mars is "actively striving to be accepted (i.e.. perceived as 'normal)".

Hence ... I wonder if what you are seeing in him as aggression is actually frustration (due to not yet being able to articulate/express/communicate his highest-order thoughts clearly to others).
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Yes, some of his aggression is from frustration. He has a speech delay on top of only being 4 with a limited vocabulary to express himself to the fullest. I try to distinguish what's at the root of his aggression and sometimes, it's purely because he can't get what he wants. How he differs from other children I know IS his persistence, like no one else I've ever known, especially a small child. He'll try to get what he wants come hell or high water and he does act out in violence at times.

I can also see the venus at play too though. When he does go into his rage fits the only thing that has an effect is showing him love. Holding him, rocking him, hugs and kisses. It's almost like a seesaw effect of extremes.

posted July 09, 2020 10:43 AM            

Then ... draw his Huber Style Chart (at astro.com); look at the Additional House Data Table; note that the Low Point of his 11th house (where Sun/Mercury reside) is 24Scorpio09 and that the Low Point of his 9th house (where True NN resides) is 0Libra02.

Planets at the Low (Energy) Point of a house find it hard to make themselves "heard" by others ... so, chart owners attempt to overcome this by persistently repeating his/her message at an ever-increasing volume/intensity - which others find annoying, and often mistake for aggression (rather than frustration). ... Hence, listening attentively to (and working with) the chart owner during his/her childhood + adolescence is the key to helping him/her communicate effectively as an adult.

posted July 09, 2020 01:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
[b]Bear in mind the golden rule (of not attempting to influence a child's development before the age of 7, when his/her personality/"psychological-bones" have fully developed).

Then ... draw his Huber Style Chart (at astro.com); look at the Additional House Data Table; note that the Low Point of his 11th house (where Sun/Mercury reside) is 24Scorpio09 and that the Low Point of his 9th house (where True NN resides) is 0Libra02.

Planets at the Low (Energy) Point of a house find it hard to make themselves "heard" by others ... so, chart owners attempt to overcome this by persistently repeating his/her message at an ever-increasing volume/intensity - which others find annoying, and often mistake for aggression (rather than frustration). ... Hence, listening attentively to (and working with) the chart owner during his/her childhood + adolescence is the key to helping him/her communicate effectively as an adult.

Finally, scroll down to the last Additional Table (Progress of Age Point for 72 years) and note the trine to Mars + the conjunction to Moon at age 7 ... indicating a significant psychological change involving his personal values (Progressed Age Point in 2nd house), emotional control and way of interacting with others.[/B]

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