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Topic: True or False: When a personal planet is @ the 29th degree = Next Sign’s expression?
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Leo-Cancer98 Knowflake Posts: 1438 From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada Registered: Nov 2014
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posted July 15, 2020 01:18 PM
I’m curious about when planets are at 29-30 degrees.I know 2 guys with their Mercury in Pisces; one has it at 29.3 degrees (positioned in the 1st House), the other has it at 6.7 degrees (positioned in the 3rd House). They both told me how they rarely respond to anyone’s messages, and only check their email a few times per week; whereas most do so once a day. ------------------ Cancer Rising 2nd House Leo Sun 3rd House Leo Mercury 6th House Sagittarius Moon & Pluto 1st House Cancer Venus & Mars 9th House Pisces Jupiter conjunct MC. IP: Logged |
Aries Eagle Moderator Posts: 1837 From: Arabia Desert Registered: Jan 2013
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posted July 15, 2020 03:05 PM
Not sure what western astrology thinks of it, but I'm sure that in Vedic astrology they view the highest degree planet as the "Soul planet(Atma Karaka)" quote: Karaka means indicator, to make or do, to produce or create, and also that which is instrumental in bringing about an action. The Atma Karaka planet, or soul planet, is the one that you have the most karma to work with in this life. It is the most important karaka. This AK planet is the key that controls all other factors, elements and significations of the chart, as a king influences the affairs of its subjects and its lands. The AK planet is calculated from the highest degree planet of the chart http://www.swatijrjyotish.com/past-blogs--articles/ what-is-your-soul-planet-and-what-it-can-tell-you-about-your-incarnation
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Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 8498 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted July 18, 2020 02:56 PM
I don't think so tbh. I have Sag Sun 29 Deg. I still relate to Sag.IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 4500 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted July 18, 2020 05:52 PM
Planets at 29 to 29°59' are still very much in that sign, but 'cuspy'. That is, unless it is Sun or Moon, it is very, very unlikely the planet is in a genuine cusp position (right on the line, part way into both signs). That is because the planets have an apparent diameter of less than 0°01', (the luminaries, half a degree.)So while a planet like Mercury can be in a 'cuspy' position near the cusp and hold a subconscious anticipation of change of mental process, there is no combination of signs. What will happen, of course, is that it will progress into Aries and so on -- If it was not retrograde at birth. ------------------ Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations Guy Expert birth chart rectification IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 4500 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted July 18, 2020 06:23 PM
Read my article about the sign cusps to better understand this: http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/2018/10/26/the-sign-cusps/ IP: Logged |
BeholdAstarte Knowflake Posts: 796 From: astral plane Registered: Dec 2009
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posted July 25, 2020 03:38 AM
My mercury is at 29 degrees Virgo in the 6th house, buuut it’s conjunct my sun/mars at 3-4 degrees libra. My moon is also in Virgo but 3 degrees and in the 5th house. So when it comes to Virgo energy I relate a lot. I’m very analytical and detail orientated, though I feel like my libra makes me a bit more laid back and accepting. It’s expression is softened a bit and I am super indecisive, totally typical of libra and I tend to go back and forth on sides and weighing out all my options. I’m pretty good at addressing things in a tactful and i like to think charming way since I can win people over, like very non threatening and I correlate that to my libra. My Virgo side I feel like is more detached, when I say things in a critical way it’s sharp and straight to the point, like more logical and fact finding than my libra that wants to accept and connect with people. Because I have such a blend I really can’t even tell if my cusp mercury sides with one or the other but I relate to both like a blend. Definitely can’t deny my Virgo influence, especially since it’s mercuries ruling sign and house. But compared to other virgos I know, I’d say libra for sure makes me a bit more laid back and less harsh IP: Logged |
Leo-Cancer98 Knowflake Posts: 1438 From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada Registered: Nov 2014
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posted July 25, 2020 10:07 AM
quote: Originally posted by BeholdAstarte: My mercury is at 29 degrees Virgo in the 6th house, buuut it’s conjunct my sun/mars at 3-4 degrees libra. My moon is also in Virgo but 3 degrees and in the 5th house. So when it comes to Virgo energy I relate a lot. I’m very analytical and detail orientated, though I feel like my libra makes me a bit more laid back and accepting. It’s expression is softened a bit and I am super indecisive, totally typical of libra and I tend to go back and forth on sides and weighing out all my options. I’m pretty good at addressing things in a tactful and i like to think charming way since I can win people over, like very non threatening and I correlate that to my libra. My Virgo side I feel like is more detached, when I say things in a critical way it’s sharp and straight to the point, like more logical and fact finding than my libra that wants to accept and connect with people. Because I have such a blend I really can’t even tell if my cusp mercury sides with one or the other but I relate to both like a blend. Definitely can’t deny my Virgo influence, especially since it’s mercuries ruling sign and house. But compared to other virgos I know, I’d say libra for sure makes me a bit more laid back and less harsh
Interesting how you still relate to Libra traits, despite having a tight Sun-Mars conjunction! In which house is the energy focused? IP: Logged |
Purple Lady Newflake Posts: 21 From: Northeast U.S. Registered: May 2020
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posted July 28, 2020 06:50 AM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: That is because the planets have an apparent diameter of less than 0°01', (the luminaries, half a degree.)
KannonMcAfee-- Thank you very much for this response and your article. I posted a very similar question about the 29th degree, and what you say here is reassuring.
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Purple Lady Newflake Posts: 21 From: Northeast U.S. Registered: May 2020
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posted July 28, 2020 07:08 AM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: Read my article about the sign cusps to better understand this: http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/2018/10/26/the-sign-cusps/
KannonMcAfee-- In the article, you say, "The Ascendant is a precise mathematical point that is rarely located exactly on a sign cusp. It is the 1st house cusp that forms the zero point starting place of your chart. When the correct Ascendant figure is located in the last couple degrees of a sign there is a blended effect to the personality since the next sign often can cover the rest of the 1st house, as seen in the chart to the left with 29° Libra over the Asc and Scorpio over the rest of the 1st house. There are other ways a blended personality can occur, but I won’t cover that here." *************************************** I have been and remain confused as to the meaning of the terms or ideas, "First House Cusp" or "Ascendant on the Cusp" when the Placidus system is used. (If it matters, the Placidus system is the one I prefer.) While my ascendant, Sagittarius, is at 7.36 degrees of the sign, Saturn in Scorpio is at 29.54 degrees. Perhaps the idea of cusps would be easier in the Hellenic system, but I just can't accept that system. (To each his/her own.) Anyway, while I understand that my ascendant is well into the First House at 7.36 degrees, the fact that Saturn is at 29.54 degrees of Scorpio in the twelfth house... I don't understand what, if any, significance Saturn would have on the first house or if Saturn is totally inconsequential. In any event, your intelligent article should be read by anyone interested in the 29th degree and its influence (or lack of influence). IP: Logged |
NxNW Knowflake Posts: 82 From: northeast, u.s. Registered: May 2020
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posted July 30, 2020 03:12 PM
I have my Saturn at 29˚ Libra, just minutes before it enters Scorpio and I definitely feel the Scorpio energy very strongly. It becomes an additional layer to my Saturn expression. It also makes the lessons of that planet feel particularly urgent and frustrating. And this doesn't feel good at all. It feels totally overwhelming and often, debilitating. IP: Logged |
Leo-Cancer98 Knowflake Posts: 1438 From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada Registered: Nov 2014
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posted July 30, 2020 11:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by NxNW: I have my Saturn at 29˚ Libra, just minutes before it enters Scorpio and I definitely feel the Scorpio energy very strongly. It becomes an additional layer to my Saturn expression. It also makes the lessons of that planet feel particularly urgent and frustrating. And this doesn't feel good at all. It feels totally overwhelming and often, debilitating.
In which house is your 29” Libra Saturn positioned in? What’s the starting point of that house cusp? IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 4500 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted July 31, 2020 03:43 AM
quote: Originally posted by Purple Lady: KannonMcAfee--... I have been and remain confused as to the meaning of the terms or ideas, "First House Cusp" or "Ascendant on the Cusp" when the Placidus system is used. (If it matters, the Placidus system is the one I prefer.)
1st house cusp = the Ascendant itself. Ascendant on the cusp means the cusp of a sign 29°59' - 00°00' Thank you.
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etherealsaturn Knowflake Posts: 529 From: New York, USA Registered: Sep 2014
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posted August 03, 2020 06:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: I don't think so tbh. I have Sag Sun 29 Deg. I still relate to Sag.
Same, except with my Moon in Sag. IP: Logged |
Dons2angelss Knowflake Posts: 848 From: Virginia, US Registered: Jan 2019
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posted August 04, 2020 12:34 AM
My moon is at 29°40 libra and conjunct Pluto at 0°7 scorpio applying. To be honest, I couldn't tell you which sign I'd choose for my moon. I do feel both signs and couldn't ever choose just one to define me. Even if Pluto were not so closely conjunct, I'd still feel a heavy pull from scorpio. I don't fit both signs completely either. It's like I've pulled some of each to meld together into a libra/scorpio blend. Don't catch me on a bad day though 😂 I'll forget fair loving libra even exists. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 4500 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted August 04, 2020 02:24 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dons2angelss: My moon is at 29°40 libra and conjunct Pluto at 0°7 scorpio applying. To be honest, I couldn't tell you which sign I'd choose for my moon. I do feel both signs and couldn't ever choose just one to define me. Even if Pluto were not so closely conjunct, I'd still feel a heavy pull from scorpio. I don't fit both signs completely either. It's like I've pulled some of each to meld together into a libra/scorpio blend. Don't catch me on a bad day though 😂 I'll forget fair loving libra even exists.
What you're describing may nor may not involve and actual cusp situation of the Moon. The only ways to know are: (a) use the topocentric positions for the planets (an option in astro.com Extended Chart Selection) which eliminates parallax effect of the Moon and gives its more precise position; (b) make sure your chart (Asc) is precisely timed so Moon's position is also precisely timed. If Moon is on eastern (left) side of chart its true position could actually be on the cusp (about 29°45' - 00°15'), thus involving both signs. However, regardless of this when a luminary is so close to a planet in the next sign there is some transference of light to that planet in which its function in the next sign gets added emphasis. ------------------ Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations Guy Expert birth chart rectification IP: Logged |
Dons2angelss Knowflake Posts: 848 From: Virginia, US Registered: Jan 2019
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posted August 04, 2020 04:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: What you're describing may nor may not involve and actual cusp situation of the Moon. The only ways to know are: (a) use the topocentric positions for the planets (an option in astro.com Extended Chart Selection) which eliminates parallax effect of the Moon and gives its more precise position; (b) make sure your chart (Asc) is precisely timed so Moon's position is also precisely timed.If Moon is on eastern (left) side of chart its true position could actually be on the cusp (about 29°45' - 00°15'), thus involving both signs. However, regardless of this when a luminary is so close to a planet in the next sign there is some transference of light to that planet in which its function in the next sign gets added emphasis.
It's in the 6H so on the western side. Topocentric puts it at 29 10. Still less than a degree away from Pluto but closer to the opposition of my Mercury. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 4500 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted August 05, 2020 02:27 PM
So what you're experiencing is the close aspect of Moon conjunct Pluto, not any amount of Moon in Scorpio. Planets (and their aspects) are the core of astrology and in conjunctions are distinctly stronger than the generalities of signs.------------------ Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations Guy Expert birth chart rectification IP: Logged |
Dons2angelss Knowflake Posts: 848 From: Virginia, US Registered: Jan 2019
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posted August 05, 2020 02:38 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: So what you're experiencing is the close aspect of Moon conjunct Pluto, not any amount of Moon in Scorpio. Planets (and their aspects) are the core of astrology and in conjunctions are distinctly stronger than the generalities of signs.
I figured Pluto had some to do with that but signs are still fundamentally different than planets and I can see how, especially when I was younger, my moon is more scorpio than libra. I had a reading years ago that put my moon in scorpio. I can't remember her last name but her first name was Alice. The way she read my chart wasn't typical but it was really spot on. IP: Logged |
NxNW Knowflake Posts: 82 From: northeast, u.s. Registered: May 2020
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posted August 06, 2020 03:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98: In which house is your 29” Libra Saturn positioned in? What’s the starting point of that house cusp?
My 29˚35' Libra Saturn (rx) is in the 3rd-H, the cusp of which starts at 1˚5'...does that push it over into the 4th-H? Astrodienst lists it firmly still in the 3rd-H though...I don't even know how to deal with my 29˚ Saturn. The fact that it was also retrograde doesn't help. I just feel increasingly frustrated at the stagnation and lack of progress. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 130180 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 13, 2020 07:31 AM
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