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“Everyone wants some magical solution for their problem and everyone refuses to believe in magic.”

posted August 25, 2020 09:41 AM            

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Originally posted by DowntheRabbitHole:
Any thoughts on Pluto and Part of Fortune conjunct both at exactly 7 degrees Scorpio on the 8th house cusp?

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From Karmic Astrology - Volume 3 - Joy and The Part of Fortune, by Martin Schulman :

posted August 25, 2020 10:19 AM            

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“Everyone wants some magical solution for their problem and everyone refuses to believe in magic.”

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posted August 26, 2020 03:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
Look up the interpretation for the relevant Sabian Symbol at http://sabiansymbols.com/symbol-lookup/

[Note : 6Scorpio59:59 = Sabian Symbol Scorpio 7 ... 7Scorpio00 = Sabian Symbol Scorpio 8]

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Thank you @Graham ! The Sabian symbol i think gives a really solid depiction on the placement.

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"THE SILVERY MOON SHINING ACROSS A BEAUTIFUL GEM OF A LAKE

This Symbol implies seeing things reflected in the world around. It can also show someone who loses the plot through not being able to differentiate reality from fiction, intuition from dreaming or what’s theirs from someone else’s emotions, thoughts or reality. Certainly, this speaks of depth in intellect, intuition and emotions. Whether there are hidden depths of not, there may be a strong sense of things being ‘reflected’, as the “Moon” reflects on the “Lake” much like a mirror. What needs reflection? Or less projection? Are things evaluated merely on a superficial level? Are you able to see things for how they really are? Look for signs you need to observe, and watch how life can be reflected around you. Reflections. Reactions. Photographs. Picture postcard images. Mirrors. Stillness. Quiet. Projection – especially based on appearances. Psychic abilities. Placid emotions.

The Caution: Acting out. Moodiness. Losing the plot. Relating to others as if in a mirror. Co-dependant relationships. Superficial responses. Narcissism. Afraid of depth."

posted August 27, 2020 02:14 AM            

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Originally posted by DowntheRabbitHole:
Thank you @Graham ! The Sabian symbol i think gives a really solid depiction on the placement.

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"THE SILVERY MOON SHINING ACROSS A BEAUTIFUL GEM OF A LAKE

This Symbol implies seeing things reflected in the world around. It can also show someone who loses the plot through not being able to differentiate reality from fiction, intuition from dreaming or what’s theirs from someone else’s emotions, thoughts or reality. Certainly, this speaks of depth in intellect, intuition and emotions. Whether there are hidden depths of not, there may be a strong sense of things being ‘reflected’, as the “Moon” reflects on the “Lake” much like a mirror. What needs reflection? Or less projection? Are things evaluated merely on a superficial level? Are you able to see things for how they really are? Look for signs you need to observe, and watch how life can be reflected around you. Reflections. Reactions. Photographs. Picture postcard images. Mirrors. Stillness. Quiet. Projection – especially based on appearances. Psychic abilities. Placid emotions.

The Caution: Acting out. Moodiness. Losing the plot. Relating to others as if in a mirror. Co-dependant relationships. Superficial responses. Narcissism. Afraid of depth."

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In Cycles of Becoming, Alexander Ruperti states (on page 265) :
"For those who use the Sabian Symbols, the symbol of the degree on which a (retrograding) planet falls at the time of it's opposition to the Sun will give a key both to the basic meaning of the confrontation experienced and to its potential solution as well. (Of course, that meaning is a general challenge to all humankind. However, it will affect each individual personally according to the planets house positions at the time.)"

This 'basic meaning' will apply from the time of that opposition until the time when the planet again opposes the Sun, during its next retrograde transit.

However ... in your case, natal Pluto is actually at the Scorpio 8 Sabian Symbol degree which opposed the Sun just before you were born. ... So, you are a (lifelong) "poster child" for that particular evolutionary objective of Pluto. ... [Hence, Pluto in your natal chart is "personalised" by its trine to inner planet Mercury. ... But note also that Mercury is at the mid-point of Venus/Sun, and forming a Double Ambivalence Figure with Pluto-Neptune-NN.

posted September 03, 2020 03:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
In Cycles of Becoming, Alexander Ruperti states (on page 265) :
"For those who use the Sabian Symbols, the symbol of the degree on which a (retrograding) planet falls at the time of it's opposition to the Sun will give a key both to the basic meaning of the confrontation experienced and to its potential solution as well. (Of course, that meaning is a general challenge to all humankind. However, it will affect each individual personally according to the planets house positions at the time.)"

This 'basic meaning' will apply from the time of that opposition until the time when the planet again opposes the Sun, during its next retrograde transit.

However ... in your case, natal Pluto is actually at the Scorpio 8 Sabian Symbol degree which opposed the Sun just before you were born. ... So, you are a (lifelong) "poster child" for that particular evolutionary objective of Pluto. ... [Hence, Pluto in your natal chart is "personalised" by its trine to inner planet Mercury. ... But note also that Mercury is at the mid-point of Venus/Sun, and forming a [b]Double Ambivalence Figure with Pluto-Neptune-NN.

Do you want to explore this further ... or would you prefer to leave it on the back burner for now, and perhaps explore it on another thread later? [/B]

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Hi! Sorry for the delayed response, I was away! I would love to explore further. I have become more and more obsessed with Pluto the more I study astrology I think due to the fact that so much of what I read in reference to it strongly resonates with me.

I think you might be pretty accurate in saying i would be a "poster child" for one of Pluto's evolutionary objectives.

If you don't mind would you elaborate on the "lifelong" and "Double Ambivalence Figure with Pluto-Neptune-NN." With the placement and point/planets would you consider it to be karmic?

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Hi! Sorry for the delayed response, I was away! I would love to explore further. I have become more and more obsessed with Pluto the more I study astrology I think due to the fact that so much of what I read in reference to it strongly resonates with me.

I think you might be pretty accurate in saying i would be a "poster child" for one of Pluto's evolutionary objectives.

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In essence, you are a poster-child for what (Scorpio 8) Pluto had reflected upon (Scorpio 7) and was intending to repair (Scorpio 9) at the time when you were born. ... Thus, you were born to raise awareness of the Scorpio 8 Pluto issue/evolutionary objective - for it to then be addressed/"repaired" by those born at the next opposition of transit Pluto to Sun (at Scorpio 11, on 1st May 1988).

However, this has to be put in the context of the evolutionary role of your Pluto-in-Scorpio/Neptune-in-Capricorn Generation ... which is to dissolve the barriers created by the status-quo (Capricorn Neptune) and letting go of any taboos (Scorpio Pluto) that might prevent humankind from (eventually) living in a one-nation-world (Neptune-Pluto cycle that began with their last conjunction, at Gemini 8 on 30th April 1892).

So ... you are a poster-child for raising awareness of one of those barriers/taboos. ... And you will already know which of the barriers/taboos that is - because it will be something you've been fighting/objecting to since as far back in time as you can remember.
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If you don't mind would you elaborate on the "lifelong" and "Double Ambivalence Figure with Pluto-Neptune-NN." With the placement and point/planets would you consider it to be karmic?

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"Lifelong" just means that you will be raising awareness of the Scorpio 8 Pluto-evolutionary-task throughout your lifetime ... because other people will get the message at different speeds, and some will never understand/accept it at all.

"The double ambivalence figure indicates a need for security, and a tendency to structure life according to your personal ideas." (From Aspect Pattern Astrology, by the Hubers.)

The Pluto trine (to Mercury) and sextile (to Neptune) will help others to perceive your messages/concerns rationally, but the North Node squares (to Mercury + Neptune) will make it hard to convince them that you are being objective. ... However, the Pluto-NN qcx will enable you to successfully deliver these messages - "if you are fully aware of your goal, have thought out all eventualities and inform yourself through appropriate communication beforehand".