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walkingcontradiction
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posted September 23, 2020 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for walkingcontradiction     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi there, long time lurker first time poster .

Soliciting experiences from folks who've experienced this transit.

I'm a Cancer rising but with a late degree (26) so I haven't had Pluto in my 7th house yet. But I've already had some crazy shifts in my relationships starting in late December 2018/January 2019. I think they were due to the Pluto Conjunct Descendant/ Pluto Opposing Ascendant Transit experiences

The orb was around 9/10 degrees at that time. Do you folks think that is too wide an orb to have been the reason for these events?

Trying to keep it general to respect the rules of the forum, but definitely have had some crazy events happen I thought were associated to the transit. (Some heartbreaking, but in the end "for the good" so I'm here for Pluto right now at least)

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posted September 24, 2020 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Kannon McAfee
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posted September 24, 2020 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by walkingcontradiction:
Hi there, long time lurker first time poster .

Soliciting experiences from folks who've experienced this transit.

I'm a Cancer rising but with a late degree (26) so I haven't had Pluto in my 7th house yet. But I've already had some crazy shifts in my relationships starting in late December 2018/January 2019. I think they were due to the Pluto Conjunct Descendant/ Pluto Opposing Ascendant Transit experiences

The orb was around 9/10 degrees at that time. Do you folks think that is too wide an orb to have been the reason for these events?


Absolutely not. The effective orb is about 5.

However, Pluto was 19.6 to 20.6 Capricorn in December 2018; and went to 21.6 in January 2019. So if your Asc is 26 Cancer, the orb was not as wide as you say (more like 4.5 - 6).

But I'll outline the principle for this ...
When people experience things seemingly related to a particular planet's transit, but well before the transit should be in effect (5.5 or less from exact) it is usually due to one or more of the following:

1. Transiting planet moving into contra-parallel transit to the Asc, ahead of the conjunction. This happens when the signs of far declination are involved (20-23 north: Gemini, Cancer; 20-23 south: Sag, Cap). Pluto's declination was right around 22 south during the period of Dec 2018 - Jan 2019. Asc 26CAN00 has a declination of 20N56 (only for Asc, MC, or Sun). So Pluto may have been transiting that spot for a while leading up to your experiences of late 2018, early 2019.

2. The natal Ascendant may be earlier (or later) in Cancer than believed, so the transit started earlier than assumed (or sync up with an unseen declination transit at a different time range). This is common.

3. Another planet (say Saturn) than the one believed is doing the action (with actions described in points 1 and/or 2).

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Trying to keep it general to respect the rules of the forum, but definitely have had some crazy events happen I thought were associated to the transit. (Some heartbreaking, but in the end "for the good" so I'm here for Pluto right now at least)

If you like you can link a chart here, natal chart + transits for the period in question. Put the [url] tag before the link (minus the 's' after http) and put /url after it in the same tag brackets.


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walkingcontradiction
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posted September 24, 2020 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for walkingcontradiction     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
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Very interesting, @Kannon McAfee. Thank you for explaining that to me...

I'm a little confused because it didn't show up on Astro-Seek, but after you pointed this out I pulled a chart on astro.com and it looks like it was at 6 degrees. I'm a natal Venus conjunct Saturn person, so I'm interested to know if you thought that had anything to do with the transit in late December 2018.

Here's the transit chart for December 2018. What happened here was a relationship that spanned the ages of 23-30 ended. This was a chaotic relationship with someone I supported financially. He was 14 years older than me (saturn conjunct venus??). He was also an addict who was in and out of recovery the whole time we were together. He made the choice to end it quite abruptly and at the time heartbreaking, now the best thing that happened to me.

This is my natal chart:

I'd say a LOT of 7th house things have been happening since (from what I can tell) December 2018, but one thing that's stuck with me, is meeting someone who is a Leo/Virgo moon/Pisces rising, but who has more Plutonic aspects in his chart than anyone I've ever seen (haven't seen many I suppose).

We're not together. There's the weirdest push pull dynamic I've ever experienced. We have a lot of Plutonic aspects in synastry and my Sun, Moon, Mercury and Pluto sit in his 8th house. Weirdly, his North node was trine his Venus the week we met.

There are "life" reasons that have gotten in the way of us being together. But also, so much weird mind game stuff where he'll think something is happening that isn't, or I will. Neither one of us has named our feelings or made steps forward, but I've NEVER felt this way about someone ever, even being as Plutonic as I (think) I am.

I met him the week of this transit late last year:

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Kannon McAfee
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posted September 25, 2020 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Lunar Nodes were a factor in the breakup. See the S.Node near DC?

However, it is likely your Asc is earlier in Cancer than 26. Don't take literally in astrological terms what is suggested by the recorded time of birth. My own Asc had to be adjusted forward 2. My wife's a few degrees back.

The dynamics between you and the more recent person being Plutonian in nature help confirm that a Pluto transit is at work, at least more recently. And it will never show that dynamic more than 5.5 from exact opposition/conjunction (or square or trine) or 1 from exact parallel or contra-parallel in declination.

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mirage29
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posted September 25, 2020 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(Hi! I just noticed that the transit-date on your first chart doesn't match ..)

Quote: "Here's the transit chart for December 2019."
The printed date on the chart you posted says December "2018."

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Kannon McAfee
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posted September 25, 2020 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good catch. That negates my comment about the Lunar South Node.

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walkingcontradiction
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posted September 25, 2020 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for walkingcontradiction     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@mirage29
@Kannon McAfee

Nope I misstyped, but the breakup was in December 2018 (coincides with the appropriate chart capture) and the new meeting was December 2019. Whoops! Went back and edited it to match though.

I do see how obvious that node connection is now. Its crazy to think that even 4 or 5 months ago, I was very "agnostic" (if the term can even apply) towards astrology but now I'm finding how everything really can be tracked to the stars...The new Plutonic relationship "started" when the transit was 4.59 degrees based on my stated ascendant degrees so looks about right in your breakdown!!

I would be surprised though if the ascendant was more than a few "minutes" off though. My birth certificate says "8:56" and I followed it back ten minutes and it only changed 1 degree. I doubt it could be that off even though. I'm in medicine and that time isn't more than 30 seconds here and there... Especially if it was an uneventful birth, which mine was...I would have considered timing being off by more than a minute or so if it had said something like 8:50 or 8:55? I'll have to play around with what happens to the transits if I adjust my birth time a minute or two....

Does location make a huge difference in degrees? I was born in a large city and just use the default coordinates when I draw up my charts...

Thank you for your help!! This has been very illuminating

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GalacticCoreExplosion
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posted September 26, 2020 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unfortunately, it's not just about accurate physical birth times. I've noticed people don't like hearing the following, but since it's a potential factor, it should be mentioned.

The most accurate/verified and vast psychic work on the planet--the Edgar Cayce readings, threw a giant monkey wrench into astrology, when his guidance/source mentioned numerous times the following concept:

There is the purely physical birth and birth time, but there is also the energetic one wherein the Soul makes the last and strongest connections to the babies body around birth. These times can and sometimes do coincide quite closely, but there can potentially be a difference. In the Cayce work, there are cases wherein a Soul waited a half day or more to finish up those energetic connections.

There are statements that go like, *the physical and spiritual birth times varied little, but there is a difference of a sign.* (not exact quote)

Or, *the physical and spiritual birth times varied, hence the confusion that often arises from an astrological perspective*.

Conversely, when asked whether one should use the physical or spiritual birth time, Cayce's guidance basically said, just go ahead and use the physical because these are only outer indications anyways, and it's our spiritual will and use of same that really matters and determines our destiny.

(Too many in astrology, too often become somewhat mental slaves to same, and leave out our all important spiritual will--which is the most important factor above all. There is also the factor of the spiritual birth time is not easy to figure out if you don't have a Cayce on hand who can accurately read/translate the Akashic information).

However, if you want the most accurate chart, you need to know the spiritual birth time.

This can be done through a holistic process of rectification via events, knowing how Rising Sign and related factors correlate to physical looks, and of course the overall personality and character of the individual and how it relates to the chart.

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