posted October 01, 2020 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by stone1:
1. How to find the meeting points of nodes chart AP and natal AP?
2. for house chart, I've got what you said, could you explain a little more, since the idea is brand new to me, it is hard for me to understand
3. which other books do you recommend for huber study?
Thanks Graham!

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1. I have added ... [To find the crossover point, visually track the Age Point's 6-years-per-house ANTI-clockwise progressions around both charts to identify the sign (and age/year) at which they meet. Then, track them in both charts at monthly intervals to identify the month at which they meet.]

2. I have now expanded my comments on the houses chart (in post 2 of this thread).

posted October 01, 2020 11:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Travelman:
This is mine. Should I be reading this any differently or interpret it differently?

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However, I am able draw them (as your birth data is on my computer files). ... And, these + the data in their respective additional tables may indeed provide information which non-huber astrology approaches do not.

posted October 01, 2020 11:34 PM            

I'm currently being seen as 9 ♌ 09.
Maybe I'm as dull as a box of nails. lol

Huber style/koch
Dynamic Eval

posted October 02, 2020 02:22 AM            

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Originally posted by stone1:
Question about meeting points:
Are you saying tracking/counting the Node chart from ascendent (which is north nodes) clockwise going up, then at the same time counting the real ascendent on the same nodes chart anti-clockwisely to see where they meet? (only one chart - nodes chart #3?)
And if we find a meeting point at the year visually, how can we find out which month - by detailed calculation (i.e. one degree 2.4 months?) Where can we find monthly intervals? Also the degree of the AP? The only AP available is through natal chart (#1)
On lunar nodes chart, there is additional table, I don't know how to interpret it. are they useful?

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Sorry, stone ... I meant to write "To find the crossover point, visually track the Age Point's 6-years-per-house ANTI-clockwise progressions around both charts to identify the sign (and age/year) at which they meet. Then, track them in both charts at monthly intervals to identify the month at which they meet." ... I have now corrected the error/replaced "clockwise" with "ANTI-clockwise" in my earlier posts.

The Age Points in both the radix and the Moon Nodes chart move/progress anti-clockwise through houses 1 to 12, starting at (and returning to) the Ascendant degree. However, the signs are anti-clockwise in the Radix and clockwise in the Nodes chart. So both Age Points are progressing (anti-clockwise) through the houses at a speed of 6-years-per-house - but the signs in those houses are not the same UNTIL THE TWO AGE POINTS APPROACH THEIR CROSSOVER POINT.

Thus, we visually track the Age Points every 6 years (when they arrive at the house cusp) until both are in the same sign. In Ali's chart, that happens in the 7th house (where Aquarius and Pisces are located in both the Radix and the Nodes chart).

We know that the Age Point reaches the cusp of the 7th house at age 36; the cusp of the 7th in the Node Chart is at the same degree as the Ascendant (14deg16mins) - but in the sign of Pisces ... and (from the additional tables) that the cusp of the 7th in the Radix is 19Aquarius31. ... So, at Age 36, the two Age Points are 24degs45mins apart - and coming together at a rate of 5degs-a-year (in the Node chart) and 4deg35mins-a-year (in Ali's Radix)* .... which is 9degs35mins-a-year when combined.

Hence ... it takes a further two years (to age 38) for the two Age Points to arrive at where they are 5deg35 apart (24deg45 minus 19deg10). ... And that is on Ali's birthday, on 17th January 1980.

We then divide that 9deg35 speed by 12, to get the monthly speed at which the two points were closing (48mins). So, it takes a further 7 months for the two Age Points to arrive at their crossover degree - which is 17th August 1980 (but "July 1980" is near enough for practical purposes).

[ *The additional tables for the Radix chart show the degree locations of the 7th and 8th house cusps, enabling us to calculate the degree speed at which the Age Point passes through the 7th house.]

This seems complicated when written down, but that is because it is unfamiliar. ... In practice, the year of crossover is ascertained by "eyeballing the two charts" and the calculation of the combined monthly speed-of-closing is not difficult.
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On lunar nodes chart, there is additional table, I don't know how to interpret it. are they useful?

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Major Age Point: 6 years/house; aspects, ingresses, house cusps, BP, and LP listed
'k' = Minor Age Point: 72 years/house; conjunctions and ingresses listed
'M' = Lunar Node AP: 6 years/node house clockwise; aspects and ingresse listed
'km' = Minor Lunar Node AP: 72 years/node house; conjunctions listed
Transitions over CU, BP, LP are simultaneous for the great AP and the lunar node AP ('M')
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The Major Age Point is that of the Radix, for the first cycle (from Age 0 to 72)

The Minor Age Point (k) is also for the Radix, but from Age 72 onwards.

M = The Major Age Point in the Moon Nodes Chart, from Age 0 to 72.

km = The Minor Age Point in the Moon Nodes Chart, from Age 72 onwards.

Transitions over CU, BP, LP are simultaneous for the great AP and the lunar node AP ('M') ... CU = cusp : BP = balanced-energy-point : LP = low-energy-point : great AP = Age Point in Radix : lunar node AP (M) = Age Point in Moon Node chart.
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Note (in Ali's table) ... at Age 38, the Radix chart Age point is in Pisces (on 2nd May 1980) and the Nodes chart Age Point is in Aquarius (on 24th Nov 1980).

That tells us that the crossover of the two Age Points was between 2nd May and 24th November 1980, when Ali was 38 years old.
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This (exact/same) Table is also included in the Additional Tables for the Radix chart ... and it is a listing of the aspects being made by the Age Point in both the Radix and Nodes chart, as it progresses through the houses (at the rate of 6 years per house).

There is not such a table for the Houses chart, because (in Huber) Age Progression is not applied to that chart.
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This Age Point Progression table (and the related Huber Lifeclock) really needs to be explained on a separate thread, as it is a stand-alone tool which can be used without any knowledge at all of the 3-chart Huber approach to natal astrology.

posted October 02, 2020 03:56 AM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
Highly interesting Graham.
I'm going to need look at these awhile.
The rx Mars energy has my mind a bit off course as the mental powers are an energy too. The FM is partly my source of fog. :/
(Kb was fried- ugh)

I'm currently being seen as 9 ♌ 09.
Maybe I'm as dull as a box of nails. lol

Huber style/koch
Dynamic Eval

Crosses / motivation
total difference
[Cardinal 2] - [Fixed -25] - [Mutable 36]

It looks quite different in the sidereal with this Huber/koch though.

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Those CFM differences are either at or exceed the "comfortable pressure" maximums, indicating that a coping mechanism (or some way of reducing the pressure) is required. ... In effect, your environment wants less fixed behaviour from you (than comes naturally) and more Cardinal + Mutable behaviour. So, you need an outlet for your (excess) fixed behavioural traits and some kind of stress-relieving mechanism to handle the demands for the other two.

posted October 02, 2020 03:16 PM            

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The Huber approach is not intended to be applied to sidereal charts or any with non-koch houses ... because the Huber research showed it to be most accurate with the Tropical zodiac and Koch houses.

Those CFM differences are either at or exceed the "comfortable pressure" maximums, indicating that a coping mechanism (or some way of reducing the pressure) is required. ... In effect, your environment wants less fixed behaviour from you (than comes naturally) and more Cardinal + Mutable behaviour. So, you need an outlet for your (excess) fixed behavioural traits and some kind of stress-relieving mechanism to handle the demands for the other two.

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posted October 03, 2020 02:10 AM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:

Thank you Graham!
That is truly helpful.I've been struggling to push against my fixed/stubborn wall. By means of creativity, which is always within me but it takes a lot to get it into a ritual type rhythm. But this past week, I seem to be as Huber (and you showed me) recommends.

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If it is already making sense, you'll almost certainly benefit from the 3-chart Huber method of self-exploration.

posted October 07, 2020 05:58 PM            

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Originally posted by stone1:
Graham - in reading Huber's books, have you ever encountered mention of POF (part of fortune) aspect to AP? If planning to release a project at the year of AP square POF but conjunct 9h cusp (high point) - how would you interpret/predict it?

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With that in mind, the AP on the cusp of the 9th indicates that you will be pushing this project very hard ... so I'd expect the square to relate to effort rather than difficulty.

posted October 08, 2020 04:10 AM            

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Originally posted by stone1:
why 9h cusp meaning pushing hard? Or is it applying to any house cusp?
we also found that the year sun sq. AP is significant, btw.

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In Huber astrology, the 9th house is where (if the person has found his/her reason-for/mission-in the current lifetime) he/she has developed the discrimination and judgement to be able to point others in "the right direction". In effect, the 9th is where we begin the process of self-actualisation ... practicing and expressing our own theories/beliefs/truths rather than adhering rigidly to those of others/'experts".

So ... I'm guessing that this project is a "calling" for you - and all those who are called/committed to something inevitable tend to push hard, in order to make happen what they (strongly believe) should happen.