posted October 05, 2020 04:25 PM            

Why unfortunately? I know an awesome woman with Venus in Virgo. Her love life has been recently painful, but I don't think that relates to Venus in Virgo though. Maybe I just like Venus in Virgo since my Mars is in Virgo, the ruler of my 5th is in Virgo, and the faster moving ruler of my 7th and Desc. is in Virgo. But yeah, it's not the most comfortable placement for Venus, but certain Planetary aspects can strongly counterbalance that.

I have Aries on the 9th with no planets in same. Mars is in Virgo in the 2nd conjunct Jupiter, closely trine Cap Sun ruler of chart, and widely square Sag. Neptune.

I also greatly dislike gurus and the guru scene for the most part--mostly because I've seen a lot of bad crap and damage go on in that scene. Seems rare for them to be all or even mostly positive.

It's one of the reasons why I try to redirect people to try to go within and directly communicate with their own internal guidance system--that is more freeing in nature.

Some conspiracy theories are real and some aren't. Like anything in life, you have to have and use discernment and separate the wheat from the chaff. Having N. Node in Virgo in the 1st--that whole process has been a huge focus in this life.

posted October 06, 2020 07:57 AM            

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Do have Saturn in the 2nd, and spent most of childhood with pretty low self esteem, and some of my early adult years, but it gradually changed more and more since around age 22 or so. Came to love, accept, and appreciate self more and more over time.

Part of the earlier issue was that I was not treated very well by many from a young age--both peers and some adults. Didn't fit in, and was made to feel like I was less than.

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^^THIS.

I was quite misunderstood as a child/teen. And so I struggled to understand who I truly was, which was painful. By the time I was 18 or so though... I came out of that! More and more, I became strong & solidified in my identity.

Today, I actually have HIGH self-slesteem. I often help others with the issues I *used* to struggle with long ago. Financial and emotional security are very important to me and it is frustrating if there are issues in that area. But I don't lose myself in negativity - that makes things worse.

posted October 06, 2020 03:00 PM            

I can kind of see what you mean. Have you ever noticed that almost all the Sign pairs that share the same ruler, are all in inharmonious/stressful relationships to each other? Aries-Scorpio (inconjunct), Taurus-Libra (inconjunct), Gemini-Virgo (square), and Sagittarius-Pisces (square). And the last pair--Capricorn-Aquarius (semi-sextile) is not so much out and out stressful, but there is just a lack of understanding/deeper connection. It seems a bit strange doesn't it? Shouldn't they all be like trine, or at least sextile each other?

It goes to show that there is a lot more to the Planets than just their Sign correlations. And more specifically to explain or understand the pairs of Signs that share a ruler but which have a stressful/inharmonious connection--being someone who likes to sing a lot, I liken it to hearing your own voice on recording vs the voice you hear in your head/body.

Most singers when they first hear their voice on recording have an odd reaction and don't particularly like how they sound (true for self). That's because your head voice sounds different to you (sounds more resonant and a bit deeper). It's almost like on an unconscious level when you hear your recorded singing voice, there is a part of you that thinks/feels, "well it sort of sounds like me, but who is this Goddang, crappy sounding impostor!" And here is what is the crux of the issue. There is a lot of similarity there, but at the same time, there is just enough of a difference, that the difference gets exaggerated/hyper focused on and feels/seems more non-resonant. (which =, you guess it, stress).

It's similar with the Signs that share a ruler but are in a stressed/inharmonious relationship. It's kind of like hearing your voice, but the slightly different, recorded version (vs the one in your head which you are used to), and it's kind of grating and annoying to the ears/senses. It's like a note or octave that just seems slightly off to the two energies. And yet...they share a ruler.

The Universe has a funny sense of humor that way.

Regarding Venus in Virgo. Moon, Neptune, Jupiter, and/or Solar aspects to Venus can help to offset some of bit more limiting traits of Virgo Venus, such as the tendency towards over criticism in relationships or with partners, and sort of the general, "I'm too much in my head, and not enough in my heart" that is somewhat common with that placement. Both have their place and both are important, but it's important to not "think" love, but feel it in a deeper way. But as we all know, each proceeding Sign is partly a reaction to extremes of the sign preceding it, and Virgo has come from Leo which is all heart, passion, and feels--the Fire of the heart. So Virgo is trying to balance out the extremes of same with some logic, centeredness, grounding, and practicality.

Also, if Venus is otherwise highlighted/strong, such as by being Angular (especially in or near the 1st or 7th), or in the 5th (especially if also in aspect to the Asc degree), can also go a long way in counterbalancing some of the above tendencies, because people with strong Venus in general, tend to be heart centered.

In my friend's case, she has Venus in her 10th--hence a pretty strong Venus, and it really does come out in her career and work the most. She pours out a lot of love and givingess in that area of her life (she's a teacher).

Anyways, your Venus in Virgo is fine, and like I said, some of us rather like it because of our own attunement.

posted October 06, 2020 03:55 PM            

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Hi LovelyAries86,

I'm glad/heartened to hear that you also have grown out of that pattern and have come to love, accept, and appreciate yourself more and more.

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posted October 07, 2020 10:52 AM            

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Hi Librapurr,

I can kind of see what you mean. Have you ever noticed that almost all the Sign pairs that share the same ruler, are all in inharmonious/stressful relationships to each other? Aries-Scorpio (inconjunct), Taurus-Libra (inconjunct), Gemini-Virgo (square), and Sagittarius-Pisces (square). And the last pair--Capricorn-Aquarius (semi-sextile) is not so much out and out stressful, but there is just a lack of understanding/deeper connection. It seems a bit strange doesn't it? Shouldn't they all be like trine, or at least sextile each other?

It goes to show that there is a lot more to the Planets than just their Sign correlations. And more specifically to explain or understand the pairs of Signs that share a ruler but which have a stressful/inharmonious connection--being someone who likes to sing a lot, I liken it to hearing your own voice on recording vs the voice you hear in your head/body.

Most singers when they first hear their voice on recording have an odd reaction and don't particularly like how they sound (true for self). That's because your head voice sounds different to you (sounds more resonant and a bit deeper). It's almost like on an unconscious level when you hear your recorded singing voice, there is a part of you that thinks/feels, "well it sort of sounds like me, but who is this Goddang, crappy sounding impostor!" And here is what is the crux of the issue. There is a lot of similarity there, but at the same time, there is just enough of a difference, that the difference gets exaggerated/hyper focused on and feels/seems more non-resonant. (which =, you guess it, stress).

It's similar with the Signs that share a ruler but are in a stressed/inharmonious relationship. It's kind of like hearing your voice, but the slightly different, recorded version (vs the one in your head which you are used to), and it's kind of grating and annoying to the ears/senses. It's like a note or octave that just seems slightly off to the two energies. And yet...they share a ruler.

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I have a friend like that (technically not now, we’re on a break again). All our personal planets are in stressful aspects, but some share the same ruler. It’s often grating and annoying, but somehow we keep come back to each other for many years. We cannot be much more different at the first look, but we do share some similarities.

Should we treat stressful aspects with the same ruler differently in synastry?

I probably should be grateful for Virgo keeping me somewhat sane with Neptune, Uranus squares and Pluto. I’m mostly critical toward myself. People I fall for are often questionable (am I being critical?.. lol). It raises eyebrows at least among my friends and family.

posted October 07, 2020 11:49 AM            

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Should we treat stressful aspects with the same ruler differently in synastry?

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It's an interesting question. I'm not sure. I lean to thinking that Gemini-Virgo and Sagittarius-Pisces connections and interaspects do tend to be a bit less stressful than other squares--but not just because they share a ruler, but because they are also Mutable. Both in Natal and Synastric charts, squares between the Fixed Signs tend to be the most difficult--because the pattern is so set and ingrained (if we relate it past/other lives, then it's like a repeating, looping pattern, whereas Mutable squares are just beginning). There is little give and take, little compromise.

With the Mutable squares, there is much more flexibility and a tendency to communicate, which could make things a bit easier.

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I probably should be grateful for Virgo keeping me somewhat sane with Neptune, Uranus squares and Pluto. I’m mostly critical toward myself. People I fall for are often questionable (am I being critical?.. lol). It raises eyebrows at least among my friends and family.

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Yeah, Neptune squares (as well as conjunctions and oppositions) can indicate a tendency towards not seeing others clearly, and Planetary energy can be stronger than Sign. But earlier I was giving the classic, archetypal reasons of why Venus tends to feel and act uncomfortable in Virgo.

As to the reasons in your case, I don't know what's going on. There could be many different things that relate or contribute. It could be as simple as a lack of self love on a deeper, less conscious level, OR it could just be that you have relationship karma to work out with some Souls for now. When a person has a strong focus on Libra, Venus, and/or 7th House in this life, then often closer relationships are a big theme and focus in the life in some way. And then when you throw Planets like Pluto, Neptune, Uranus, etc in there with that, then often there are also lessons, transformations, and/or karma balancing.

It doesn't have to stay that way, whatever the case or reason is.

Maybe part of the lesson and call for you, is to focus more on Universal Love and service to the Whole, rather than on personal love/connection? At least a couple good astrologers out there talk about the stressful aspects of Neptune in the context of a kind of deep, divine discontent. If that is channeled constructively, into art, music, positive service to others, Universal Love, etc, these can be very positive and helpful channels of expression.

This doesn't mean that one cannot have a fulfilling or more joyous oriented personal relationship at some point--it just might mean that for that to happen, for awhile the focus has to change more towards the divine/spiritual aspects of love. The Big Love. Sometimes, once that happens, then the personal Love with someone on a similar deeper wavelength and faster vibratory level, comes in, because your Expanded self is like, "Oh, s/he now ready for this in a healthy, balanced way."

This is what happened with me meeting my twin soul. Earlier in life, I was overly co-dependent and went through a string of toxic relationships and attracting rather wounded people (like a pathological liar). I decided to stay away from relationships and work on myself and on spiritual attunement. After awhile of doing this, I met my twin soul and 19 years later, I'm grateful for her in my life. Previous to her, all other relationships had been very brief. There was a lot of karmic undertones to them. (I see this as related to my chart, by the modern ruler of my Venus and Descendant--Uranus [extremes trying to balance out], being in Scorpio and square Aqua Venus. Conversely, the twin soul connection seems to relate to a combo of Venus in the 7th and the very close Neptune sextile and Pluto trine).

Anyways, all of this is best figured out within self, especially with the help of one's own internal guidance system. And try to remember and really feel the truth of, anybody would be lucky to be with such a cool and deep person as yourself.

posted October 09, 2020 01:07 AM            

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As to the reasons in your case, I don't know what's going on. There could be many different things that relate or contribute. It could be as simple as a lack of self love on a deeper, less conscious level, OR it could just be that you have relationship karma to work out with some Souls for now. When a person has a strong focus on Libra, Venus, and/or 7th House in this life, then often closer relationships are a big theme and focus in the life in some way. And then when you throw Planets like Pluto, Neptune, Uranus, etc in there with that, then often there are also lessons, transformations, and/or karma balancing.

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It’d need a lot of hours of therapy to find out what’s going on with me lol Probably, all what you mentioned have a place. Together with my heavy aspected Mercury. Yep, I’m learning a lot of lessons about relationships , and find things for myself through it. ( not necessary romantic ones)

“Maybe part of the lesson and call for you, is to focus more on Universal Love and service to the Whole, rather than on personal love/connection? At least a couple good astrologers out there talk about the stressful aspects of Neptune in the context of a kind of deep, divine discontent. If that is channeled constructively, into art, music, positive service to others, Universal Love, etc, these can be very positive and helpful channels of expression. “

Neptune is like drugs. I kinda know it’s not a real, and not gonna end up well, but sometimes cannot resist. Even I’ve never really trusted it, it still finds a way to trick me somehow. I thought about art being only healthy way for Neptune to manifest. Maybe, I’ll start singing too 😊 I have some music tools lying around lol

However, I’m not sure if aspects are much stronger than a sign. I don’t think I can sign up for long-term Neptune and ignore Virgo. It’s more like a conflict between Virgo and Neptune.

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This is what happened with me meeting my twin soul. Earlier in life, I was overly co-dependent and went through a string of toxic relationships and attracting rather wounded people (like a pathological liar). I decided to stay away from relationships and work on myself and on spiritual attunement. After awhile of doing this, I met my twin soul and 19 years later, I'm grateful for her in my life. Previous to her, all other relationships had been very brief. There was a lot of karmic undertones to them. (I see this as related to my chart, by the modern ruler of my Venus and Descendant--Uranus [extremes trying to balance out], being in Scorpio and square Aqua Venus. Conversely, the twin soul connection seems to relate to a combo of Venus in the 7th and the very close Neptune sextile and Pluto trine).

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