posted October 14, 2020 06:28 PM            

FYI, he's being screened for Asperger's in the spring. Here's his chart

posted October 14, 2020 06:36 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
I'd say that anti-Vertex on the Moon is significant.

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posted October 14, 2020 06:37 PM            

rather than pushing it on him

i play guitar and sing, self taught, went to lessons for a bit couldn't learn that way just found it annoying and it put me off for a while

music shouldn't be something that's forced or unenjoyable and it sounds like he enjoys it so see how he feels

there's teachers who you can get to come to the house too if being in a familiar environment would work better for him

edit: having something forced on you can take all the enjoyment out of it, can make it a chore etc don't take something he likes and turn it into that

posted October 14, 2020 06:40 PM            

I'm not sure, but I would focus all my energy on that to look for insight and intuition.

In my experience, the Vertex seems to have something to do with timing and meeting other people.

But I can't seem to grasp more meaning.

posted October 14, 2020 06:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
why not get him an instrument and see how he takes to playing if on his own? piano/keyboard in particular is very easy to play by ear even if someone has no clue what they're doing (seriously you don't need lessons whatsoever to sit at a piano and learn simple songs)

rather than pushing it on him

i play guitar and sing, self taught, went to lessons for a bit couldn't learn that way just found it annoying and it put me off for a while

music shouldn't be something that's forced or unenjoyable and it sounds like he enjoys it so see how he feels

there's teachers who you can get to come to the house too if being in a familiar environment would work better for him

edit: having something forced on you can take all the enjoyment out of it, can make it a chore etc don't take something he likes and turn it into that

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posted October 14, 2020 06:48 PM            

he learns the notes on the g clef and the bass clef and the different kinds of notes and he's pretty much good to go on his own, it's really simple (getting good at it isnt but that's another story) the only other kind of music that's equally easy to read and apply would be drums (but most people don't want to get their kids a drumset and listen to that learning process)

i don't even play piano or read music normally (i play by ear mostly and if you hand me sheet music and tell me to translate that to guitar i'm going to laugh at you) but if you hand me sheet music and sit me down at a piano i can manage to play whatever is there

so a teacher is really unnecessary if he takes an interest and self motivates himself, they're unnecessary with pretty much any instrument tbf but piano in particular he can have easy access to resources

posted October 14, 2020 06:50 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
His Vertex is on my Sun btw.

I'm not sure, but I would focus all my energy on that to look for insight and intuition.

In my experience, the Vertex seems to have something to do with timing and meeting other people.

But I can't seem to grasp more meaning.

One day, it will probably come to me, like a flash of light.

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That's funny it's on your sun

posted October 14, 2020 06:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
We have, he's taken over his brothers clarinet and we have keyboards and stuff that he really likes. I don't mean force, I wouldn't do that if I knew he really didn't want to but, given he's already going to be apprehensive just because he is with everything. Would it be so bad to make him try it at least a few times until he gets over that fear? Obviously we've had to take him out to the grocery store and he has to go to school and those were some tough battles but he's come a long way and is ok now going to certain places. There's a difference between him really just not liking something (he does however love music) and him just letting his fears keep him from doing something. I don't want his fears to hinder him if he has a natural ability.

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"push" means something way different to me 🤣 grew up with abusive parents so when someone says that i legit take it like "damn your going to make the kid miserable"

like i said there's teachers that come to the house that wouldn't be a bad place to start or just more structured **** at home so if getting him out is hard then there's that

might be worth it i guess if it's a handful of lessons outside of the house to see, i just personally find it unnecessary because self teaching an instrument isn't hard in a sense that it all just becomes about how much time you spend (which is the same even if someone else is teaching you) and it could potentially adversely affect his enjoyment of it

posted October 14, 2020 06:55 PM            

A genius in their chosen field.

I noticed he has at least 4 biquintiles.

posted October 14, 2020 07:12 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
Biquintiles, quintiles, and septiles could be something to look for a musical prodigy.

A genius in their chosen field.

I noticed he has at least 4 biquintiles.

So could be very creative at least.

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He very much is. He loves dominos too and will sit for hours setting them up all over the house in all kinds of ways.

Dumuzi, my bad lol, I meant push as in let's not give in to our fears. I'd never intentionally force him to do anything. I don't think at home lessons will work for him. He compartmentalizes what he does too much. Not sure how to explain this... He has very specific things he will only do here, things he'll only do at his dad's (we live like 2 miles away from each other), things he only does in school, and toys he will only play with here or there. He's memorized what toys he has in certain places and God forbid you move one out of place. Since the pandemic and having to do class online it's been really tough on him to have his teacher at home (on the laptop) and he absolutely will not let me or his father help him do any worksheets. It's not our job in his head. He is EXTREMELY particular and his temper scares me lol. He's 30lbs of don't mess up my routine or touch my **** or else.

posted October 14, 2020 07:48 PM            

I was like that at his age.

Uranus opposite the ruler of the 5th, the Vertex being in Leo, the two biquintiles, and the two quintiles.

posted October 14, 2020 08:26 PM            

Also, he may have a cazimi Mercury if the declination positions also line up. If so, that strengthens Mercury in a positive way.

Possibly related is the Pisces South Node, and Aquarius Moon (let's not forget that Mozart was an Aquarius Sun, Mercury, Venus [closely cusping Pisces], and Saturn and with some of that opposed Leo Neptune and most in the 5th House).

Planetary wise, Venus, Neptune and Mercury are most related to music. Venus and Neptune for the feeling and creative aspect, Mercury for the math and more left brain like understanding of it (structure, timing, relative relationships, etc). Sometimes Jupiter relates as well, though not as much or as often as the former 3. (People often forget that Jupiter is very intuitive, imaginative, and creative in nature).

Signs that most often relate more strongly to music are Taurus (most often to singing), Leo, Virgo, Libra, Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces. Sometimes Sagittarius. But Planets are usually more important/indicative than the Signs.

Obviously 5th House is often strongly connected. 10th House if it becomes or tries to become a career as well.
But yes, he has repeating indications relating to interest and probably also aptitude in music. (Btw, he's either a Plutonian or a Venusian--not quite sure which).

My dad and only full brother are musicians, and my grandmother on my dad's side was a lounge singer. I have a rather musical oriented chart, but other than singing, haven't done too much with it. Sometimes wish or feel that I should before the shite hits the fan. Was taught to play trumpet in 3rd grade and was learning how to read music, but that's been the extent of same.

posted October 14, 2020 08:36 PM            

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posted October 14, 2020 08:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
He very much is. He loves dominos too and will sit for hours setting them up all over the house in all kinds of ways.

Dumuzi, my bad lol, I meant push as in let's not give in to our fears. I'd never intentionally force him to do anything. I don't think at home lessons will work for him. He compartmentalizes what he does too much. Not sure how to explain this... He has very specific things he will only do here, things he'll only do at his dad's (we live like 2 miles away from each other), things he only does in school, and toys he will only play with here or there. He's memorized what toys he has in certain places and God forbid you move one out of place. Since the pandemic and having to do class online it's been really tough on him to have his teacher at home (on the laptop) and he absolutely will not let me or his father help him do any worksheets. It's not our job in his head. He is EXTREMELY particular and his temper scares me lol. He's 30lbs of don't mess up my routine or touch my **** or else.

Is there something in his chart that would lend itself to having an ability with music?

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nah that was my bad, projection based on seeing the word, trauma **** 🤷‍♀️😁

posted October 14, 2020 09:22 PM            

Virginia Music Educator's Association
- http://www.vmea.com/

Contact these people, and ask.
Let the professionals guide you.

Get involved with 'high quality' people ..
You want someone with competence who has experience in the field.

Physically train him with the correct proper piano exercise habits from the beginning. He'll move faster, and be less frustrated.

A professional who is familiar with sons like yours KNOW how to keep it interesting and appropriate for him.

posted October 14, 2020 09:45 PM            

@secretgeek he has his dad's old set from the 80's that we found in the attic. He's also really good at using all of my couch cushions to build his cat's houses 😂.

@galactic his cazimi is also mirrored in declination along with Saturn. So he has sun, mercury, and Saturn all parallel. His dominant planets are venus and Saturn, it's a tie from what I've looked up on another site.

@dumuzi yes, he'd never see his dad or I as "teachers" even though obviously we teach him all kinds of things but in his head, if it's something in need of instruction he just won't give us the time of day. That's why his school has actually let him have in school instruction this year instead of all virtual like my older son. The virtual meetings were a disaster and really detrimental for him.

posted October 15, 2020 03:29 AM            

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FYI, he's being screened for Asperger's in the spring. Here's his chart

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Bingo!!... I had to jump when I saw Scorpio-Sag mix, generally people diagnosed with Asperger's have that combo.
or have a strong air and fire mix.

Anyway I was diagnosed with Aspergers, thought as your probably aware the diagnoses has changed to Autistic spectrum disorder.

If he really is into music he will make it his #1 priority until he becomes an obsessive expert at it.

Best advice see how he does, if gets more and more interested support him towards that goal.

But if it isn't like that then don't force it on him.

It's very easy for an Aspergers to form a grudge on someone i'd very much prefer that not to be his own mother.

I've gotten mad at my Cancer parents so many times when they've forced me to do things.

At one time my cancer mom wanted me to be a banker/accountant just like her and trying to convince me otherwise. I wasn't that interested but she assumed otherwise.

Regardless, whatever he decides to do be follow supportive of it and he will become and obsessive master of it.

FYI. Kind of a side story. I use to take VIA Rail (Equivalent to Amtrack) twice a week sometimes four times.

All the crews knew me and by then and I knew almost everything about the passenger cars.

I was just short of knowing how to read rail signals, most signals have two lights one on top of the other.

In most cases the lower light tells the engineer what to do when he passes the current signal the one on top tells him what the next signal will be and he/she will adjust the train speed for that.

Anyway on one of my trips a passenger was asking a recently hired attendant about the train cars, what did he do? he referred the passenger to me to explain.

posted October 15, 2020 04:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
Thank you mirage! I'll definitely look into that.

@secretgeek he has his dad's old set from the 80's that we found in the attic. He's also really good at using all of my couch cushions to build his cat's houses 😂.

@galactic his cazimi is also mirrored in declination along with Saturn. So he has sun, mercury, and Saturn all parallel. His dominant planets are venus and Saturn, it's a tie from what I've looked up on another site.

@dumuzi yes, he'd never see his dad or I as "teachers" even though obviously we teach him all kinds of things but in his head, if it's something in need of instruction he just won't give us the time of day. That's why his school has actually let him have in school instruction this year instead of all virtual like my older son. The virtual meetings were a disaster and really detrimental for him.

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have you tried just asking him what he wants? just in a "do you want to learn this?" sense without mentioning teachers or going anywhere

my ex was into playing around with a piano as a kid and was pushed into classes for a couple of years ended up not playing anything and hating it as a kid then feeling like she couldnt learn as an adult

music is important but it being something you need to fight about beforehand or take him somewhere for might ruin it for him

instruction can be good, isn't for everyone though and it's not like going to classes is a guarantee someone will actually learn the instrument because how people really learn is just time spent playing it

there are plenty of people who do fine being self taught and plenty of people who take lessons for years and never get anywhere

just keep that in mind when you pick your battle

having the instrument itself is more important than having the teacher

nobody can learn to play an instrument without being self motivated to learn it and pick it up on their own but people can learn without being taught by another person

posted October 15, 2020 08:22 AM            

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posted October 15, 2020 12:12 PM            

From this perspective and experience data base, Pluto is definitely stronger/more highlighted than Saturn. 1st House placements by far beat Solar parallel.

But, I lean to thinking/feeling/intuiting that he came in direct from the nonphysical dimension than Venus corresponds to i.e. his strongest Planet.

posted October 15, 2020 01:55 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:

he's likely going to be a real lady killer in the romantic sense, especially if he grows up to be good looking. I just mean that he is likely going to be very attractive to the opposite gender.

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