posted October 20, 2020 01:10 PM            

but any planet in the first house or aspecting the ascendant would be looked at

for example in vedic i have a pisces moon in revati nakshatra this would be important when judging physical appearance but my lagna (ascendant) would be as well which is virgo/chitra nakshatra then planets in the first house venus and ketu

but in western you'd look at my ascendant libra which is conjunct venus and if using placidus then first house contains both south node and pluto, my ascendant is aspected by moon, mars, mercury,and uranus as well and then some people will also get into decans (though i don't look like a 2nd decan libra rising 🤷‍♀️ as far as descriptions ive read go)

to a very small degree sun can also be looked at and either aspects to it (in my case neptune/pluto/saturn) if using tropical/placidus or nakshatra (in my case magha which is ketu ruled ketu being in my first house)

posted October 20, 2020 02:29 PM            

Moon only really connects to one's physical looks and traits when it either rules the Asc, and/or is strongly aspected to the Asc, especially from an amplifying area of the chart (i.e. Angles and 5th House).

I'll give an example. I know a guy who has Virgo Rising (no planet conjunct same), with their Mercury in Sagittarius, and Moon in Gemini (in the 10th) and moderately closely square his Asc degree.

Normally Virgo Risings, in an archetypal sense, are on the more darker pigmented side (though not as much as Capricorn or especially Taurus), and often quite skinny and thin framed, and tending towards average or slightly below in height (though, out of all the Yin Signs, Virgo is the tallest on average, and being a mutable Sign, is more easily modified by stronger energies).

While he has dark hair, he has bright blue eyes, and while he can tan some, he is not dark by any means. He is a bit shorter than average or on the shorter side of average, and while he is slim for the most part, there is a minor pudge or flab there in the gut area. Not the usual "tight" slimness of Virgo Rising.

posted October 20, 2020 03:25 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I can usually pin down the Moon sign through their eyes.

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posted October 20, 2020 05:40 PM            

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but any planet in the first house or aspecting the ascendant would be looked at.....Dumuzi

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yes absolutely and if the Asc ruler is the Moon any planets conjunct will also apply.

posted October 22, 2020 01:32 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I can usually pin down the Moon sign through their eyes.

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posted October 22, 2020 02:01 PM            

My full brother and I don't look anything alike except for our height and general build (he was always much skinnier and wirier than me, but did some body building and has a more similar build to me now. I've just have always had natural larger muscles, thicker frame, etc).

Yet, a number of people have said that we "look alike". It's not our physical looks, but our vibe and mannerisms. And interestingly, while he is a Libra Sun, I'm a Libra Moon, and while he has Scorpio Moon, I have Scorpio IC. And while he has Virgo Rising cusping Leo, I have Leo Rising with my chart ruler in Capricorn conjunct Mercury (giving a Virgo like vibe/flavor to the Leo).

More importantly, on a Planetary level, he has strong Jupiter, Neptune, Uranus, and Venus attunement, somewhat similar to me.

But physically, he looks like a Virgo Rising (with some definite modification), and I very much look like a Leo Rising minus height.

posted October 23, 2020 07:16 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Vibes/aura.

My full brother and I don't look anything alike except for our height and general build (he was always much skinnier and wirier than me, but did some body building and has a more similar build to me now. I've just have always had natural larger muscles, thicker frame, etc).

Yet, a number of people have said that we "look alike". It's not our physical looks, but our vibe and mannerisms. And interestingly, while he is a Libra Sun, I'm a Libra Moon, and while he has Scorpio Moon, I have Scorpio IC. And while he has Virgo Rising cusping Leo, I have Leo Rising with my chart ruler in Capricorn conjunct Mercury (giving a Virgo like vibe/flavor to the Leo).

More importantly, on a Planetary level, he has strong Jupiter, Neptune, Uranus, and Venus attunement, somewhat similar to me.

But physically, he looks like a Virgo Rising (with some definite modification), and I very much look like a Leo Rising minus height.

There are definitely differences in our vibe and inner essence, but we share a lot of deeper core beliefs and ideals, both are older souls, and we have some closeness from other lives, etc and so people connect us together beyond the physical looks as brothers/related.

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posted October 23, 2020 07:23 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Vibes/aura.

My full brother and I don't look anything alike except for our height and general build (he was always much skinnier and wirier than me, but did some body building and has a more similar build to me now. I've just have always had natural larger muscles, thicker frame, etc).

Yet, a number of people have said that we "look alike". It's not our physical looks, but our vibe and mannerisms. And interestingly, while he is a Libra Sun, I'm a Libra Moon, and while he has Scorpio Moon, I have Scorpio IC. And while he has Virgo Rising cusping Leo, I have Leo Rising with my chart ruler in Capricorn conjunct Mercury (giving a Virgo like vibe/flavor to the Leo).

More importantly, on a Planetary level, he has strong Jupiter, Neptune, Uranus, and Venus attunement, somewhat similar to me.

But physically, he looks like a Virgo Rising (with some definite modification), and I very much look like a Leo Rising minus height.

There are definitely differences in our vibe and inner essence, but we share a lot of deeper core beliefs and ideals, both are older souls, and we have some closeness from other lives, etc and so people connect us together beyond the physical looks as brothers/related.

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posted October 24, 2020 09:46 AM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
If this is so .. are we taking tropical or vedic into account?

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posted October 24, 2020 11:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i gave answers for both systems because i was unsure, moon is more pronounced in vedic

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posted October 24, 2020 12:06 PM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
Hey Dumuzi, what option do you use for Vedic in Astro.com? “Vedic” or Fagan/Bradley?

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i use lahiri which for some reason is up at the top because that **** isnt in alphabetical order because 🤷‍♀️

just got into the habit of that because a lot of the people ive studied astrology with tend towards using the vedic system exclusively and it's been their preference

posted October 24, 2020 12:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i use lahiri which for some reason is up at the top because that **** isnt in alphabetical order because 🤷‍♀️

just got into the habit of that because a lot of the people ive studied astrology with tend towards using the vedic system exclusively and it's been their preference

admittedly i haven't explored enough other options to judge what's best or even see how much changes with each option so i wouldn't necessarily go by me i'm just trusting other people who are much better with vedic than i am in that regard

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posted October 24, 2020 12:28 PM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
Ok, thanks! I’ll try that option and if you have heard this is what others are using that know better then sounds good to me lol. Not too familiar with Vedic but I have a Sun/Moon conjunction that with some options move to 29 degree Cancer and others move to 0-1 degree Leo so would like to know which it actually is.

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i suppose what it would actually be would be pretty hard to determine without getting into going through events and transits etc

nakshatras would help i imagine because ashlesha doesnt touch leo and magha doesnt touch cancer

so finding the more relatable nakshatra would offer some insight (i have both in my chart though magha sun ashlesha mercury, chart ruler mercury) i would think

i usually prefer to experiment myself and figure things out but vedic is tedious enough without me doing that so i just trust what the people i know go with and the larger communities they've learned through

in this particular case though the nakshatras are both clearly defined from one sign to the other (which isn't typical with vedic most nakshatras blend the end of one sign with the beginning of the next one) so that should help

posted October 24, 2020 12:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i suppose what it would actually be would be pretty hard to determine without getting into going through events and transits etc

nakshatras would help i imagine because ashlesha doesnt touch leo and magha doesnt touch cancer

so finding the more relatable nakshatra would offer some insight (i have both in my chart though magha sun ashlesha mercury, chart ruler mercury) i would think

i usually prefer to experiment myself and figure things out but vedic is tedious enough without me doing that so i just trust what the people i know go with and the larger communities they've learned through

in this particular case though the nakshatras are both clearly defined from one sign to the other (which isn't typical with vedic most nakshatras blend the end of one sign with the beginning of the next one) so that should help

edit: also because moon nakshatra is the most important it should show up pretty clearly

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posted October 24, 2020 12:50 PM            

nakshatras are lunar mansions, there's 27 (pretty sure it's 27) of them and the one that your moon is in is the most prominent one in your chart followed by your ascendant (in vedic this would be called your lagna)

ashlesha and magha are the names of two of these lunar mansions

ashlesha begins and ends in cancer, and magha begins and ends in leo

each sign has 3 nakshatras to it very much like decans all with different attributes

you happen to be lucky in the sense that your sun/moon conjunction occurs in one or the other because magha and ashlesha are both distinct, typically in vedic you have one lunar mansion that represents the beginning of one sign and the end of another (a cusp of sorts that blends energies)

because of that by reading about ashlesha and magha you should be able to pick the one that's more fitting, because even if you have cancer energies or leo energies these lunar mansions change the form of expression

the lunar mansion the moon is in becomes the most important one in the chart so a vedic astrologer saying "what nakshatra are you?" is asking "which lunar mansion is your moon in?" even though all of the planets fall into these and it can be taken into account

i feel like it i keep going i'll just get into confusing rambling territory so i'll shut up now, but basically read up on ashlesha and magha and find which best suits you

posted October 24, 2020 01:02 PM            

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🤔 let me see if i can make my point clearer, i know all the word changes can be a little daunting so no guarantees that this won't also sound like gibberish

nakshatras are lunar mansions, there's 27 (pretty sure it's 27) of them and the one that your moon is in is the most prominent one in your chart followed by your ascendant (in vedic this would be called your lagna)

ashlesha and magha are the names of two of these lunar mansions

ashlesha begins and ends in cancer, and magha begins and ends in leo

each sign has 3 nakshatras to it very much like decans all with different attributes

you happen to be lucky in the sense that your sun/moon conjunction occurs in one or the other because magha and ashlesha are both distinct, typically in vedic you have one lunar mansion that represents the beginning of one sign and the end of another (a cusp of sorts that blends energies)

because of that by reading about ashlesha and magha you should be able to pick the one that's more fitting, because even if you have cancer energies or leo energies these lunar mansions change the form of expression

the lunar mansion the moon is in becomes the most important one in the chart so a vedic astrologer saying "what nakshatra are you?" is asking "which lunar mansion is your moon in?" even though all of the planets fall into these and it can be taken into account

i feel like it i keep going i'll just get into confusing rambling territory so i'll shut up now, but basically read up on ashlesha and magha and find which best suits you

then you can clearly answer your question because one of those is cancer and one of those is leo and there's no blend of energy between the signs

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posted October 24, 2020 01:41 PM            

you might have to get into life events and such to determine it unfortunately, good luck figuring it out though

posted October 24, 2020 04:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
glad it helped though ascendant nakshatra being in ashlesha would make it difficult to determine since ascendant nakshatra is also important

you might have to get into life events and such to determine it unfortunately, good luck figuring it out though

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Ive been keeping up with this topic, been learning a lot! thanks guys!

posted October 24, 2020 05:48 PM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
Ok Nvm I have Pushya Nakshatra Venus/ASC. Lol it’s 14.5 degree so right before Ashlesha (and this one makes more sense).

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i would look at first house moon stuff second house sun etc stuff and also whether or not you still feel they are conjunct

another thing that might help actually is looking at dashas

mahadashas and antardashas are periods in your life and these are determined based on your nakshatra

for example my moon is in revati, mercury ruled nakshatra, so i was born into mercury mahadasha

someone with their moon in chitra (my ascendant nakshatra) would be born into mars mahadasha because chitra is mars ruled

mahadasha is the larger period and antardasha are the subperiods within it

so for example right now i'm in venus mahadasha and ketu antardasha

venus mahadasha spans about 20 years, but the ketu subperiod is a bit over a year

if you were born with a magha moon ketu mahadasha events would have defined the first years of your life and been followed by venus mahadasha events then (because i'm fairly sure you're around my age) you would likely be in sun period by now

however if you were born with ashlesha moon then like me you would have been born into mercury mahadasha and those events would have shaped your life, followed by ketu dasha, then venus dasha which you're either going to finish or have finished (depends on where you initially started) and will be/are in sun mahadasha (mine starts in february, 12th house leo sun, will be the first year of my life that my mahadashas are not connected to my first house, which is mercury ruled because virgo and contains both venus and ketu)

so another way to guess your moon would be to examine your life based on dashas and their events

mahadashas and antardashas are very much like transits and can be used for divination

if i confused you let me know and i'll see if i can manage to explain it more clearly

i found vedic a bit inaccessible at first personally and part of it is the language

edit: also appearance would be factored with nakshatra but so would first house and yours is fairly influenced with planets with or without adding your moon in (though it would be considered since your chart ruler is your moon)

but definitely consider dasha as another way to guess where your moon is

another edit: ketu dasha would have also affected the house ketu occupies venus dasha would affect 1st house which contains venus but also your 4th and 11th houses which would be venus ruled, sun would be your 2nd house being affected, and mercury would be house containing mercury and 12th and 3rd house matters (given your pushya ascendant)

so digging through the things you experienced in life with the dashas in mind (particularly the antardashas since the subperiods would be more year specific and you could have been born into a mercury subperiod that wasnt far from ketu's mahadasha anyway which may make it mildly confusing to guess) you might be able to guess your moon based on that

there are dasha calculators, but i think they predominantly use the lahiri system and i'm unsure if you can change that

my moon is revati regardless of system so this is something i haven't encountered and i'm unfamiliar with calculating mahadashas and antardashas without something doing it for me