posted October 26, 2020 02:29 AM            

and now that i wrote that i realize i know another and same thing, and i really like her as a person so my experience hasnt been negative and i havent thought anything of them though there's an on/off quality to both friendships

and i tend to have that sort of thing with a good deal of people who have a lot of air

which is fine with me but 🤷‍♀️

i'm not super close to any air moons when i think about it, we can have great conversations and even talk about intimate things and i can have love for them but it's sort of lacking something i cant put my finger on not sure

just a certain shallowness i guess? disconnectedness might be a more fair was of putting it, some sort of detachment

it isnt unpleasant or anything it just isnt compelling for me either

posted October 26, 2020 04:33 AM            

Be aware that some who malign certain placements are actually thinking of someone specific in their life who hurt them, and now seek to hurt that person the best they can by going after anyone who shares an astrological trait with them.

That aside, there are those who consider Libra disloyal because their definition of loyalty is to back them and their clique no matter what (that is to be unfair in their favor, and never blow the whistle on their behavior). They want the same kind of loyalty that professional criminals and other such types expect from their fellows, and if they consider you disloyal, then that doesn't make you a bad person. In some circumstances, it can make you praiseworthy or even heroic.

Furthermore, Linda Goodman went into a lot about how to reach the good potential while overcoming the negative potential (like how a Scorpio can become an Eagle or Phoenix instead of a Spider or Scorpion). Linda Goodman also knew that Libra loves to play devil's advocate, and that trait could be a challenge in romantic relationships.

Much more importantly, the rest of the chart matters. I actually had an astro-twin who was so different from me (just born I think 8 hours later at the same hospital) that I think it caused the teacher to question her belief in astrology (she didn't say she believed in it, but was very interested in all our birthdays, and was startled to learn we were not only born the same day but in the same hospital). As best as I can tell, my 5th House was her 12th House so she feared a lot about herself that I didn't which caused her to target me. In retrospect, I can see we actually were a lot alike...one thing I liked about her was that she confronted me directly, which is more than what most girls my own age would do. Her Sag moon may have been in the 12th, but in the end she still had a Sag moon. But just those few hours changing the Houses were enough to create a very different manifestation and vibe.

As for myself, I only know one Libra moon very well. Mixed with her Cancer sun, her cardinal energy showed, and she tended to become the boss of her cliques, though she wasn't like some drill sergeant towering over you, nor was she cloyingly sweet about it. However, she stood up for fairness which did cost her, but she willingly paid the price and moved on to rise again. She never expressed regret, just disillusionment in her former friends.

An argument could be made that she's fickle in love, but it could be she just has high standards. It could also be that her cardinal nature turns many guys off fooled by her "soft" and feminine appearance.

Wait...I believe I knew another, but she may have been Scorpio moon so I'm not sure. She was Libra sun, but the majority of her chart was Scorpio (It was almost all Scorpio and Libra). She was not one to trust, though I blame the extreme child abuse she endured more than her chart (her chart was just how she reacted, the worst potentials manifesting, but of course no one is pure good or evil).

As for Libras not wanting conflict, that's not really true. Libra disdains "Jerry Springer" conflict (and what we have today) which is crude, pointless, and vulgar, but can be argumentative sometimes just for the sake of it (to weigh ideas on their scales until they finally make up their mind about it). Libra sun gets called this a lot as well but Libras include some infamous and fiery people (Judge Judy is not only a Libra sun but a Pisces moon). Vladimir Putin is a Libra, and...well I'll just say I'm not a fan of him, but he does show the "Libra way" of picking a fight and being a boss (and I consider him a very dangerous individual), rather than how Libra gets described today.

All in all, don't just look for one person's opinion (if you don't already know this then I'd say the Libra influence in your chart is weak indeed, making it a moot point), know that there are going to be widely divergent opinions among both hobbyists and professionals (and about all of them will have people who rubber stamp anything he or she says), and look to sources that aren't about how wonderful or terrible you are (anything that leans one way or the other is a red flag that it's deeply flawed, especially if they act like other aspects matter little to not at all).

And it's impossible to be liked by everyone (look at the most popular celebrities and you'll find they have haters as well...even Gandhi and Mother Theresa and Jesus Christ have haters), so don't even try...if someone is going to give you the cold shoulder because they find you have a Libra moon (or any other aspect) then you're better off without them anyway (whether they have an aspect in their own chart they realize is incompatible, or just because they project their own dark side or someone they hate into you for it). There will be plenty of others for you to fit in with who will not be distrusting of your moon and may even find it a good thing.

posted October 26, 2020 04:42 AM            

I tried another and got this:
http://exemplore.com/astrology/Libra-Moon-Leader-Likeable-Lovely

That also sounded surprisingly reasonable and close to what I remember (I got most of my astrological knowledge from very old books, what I call Old School, and includes Linda Goodman, which seems to be different from the pop astrology of today now that astrology has gotten popular).

So I decided to look up negative traits. Here is the first I found:
http://astrology.care/libra.html

That was about Libra in general, so I focused my search on the dark side of moons and found them all listed here:
http://www.llewellyn.com/journal/article/2472

posted October 26, 2020 05:54 AM            

They tend to want to avoid "cringe-worthy" moments or social faux-pas. So they are diligently always working "around" the delicacies of relating.

I think that there could be an inherent belief that things will fall apart(to the horror of all), if they don't flex their diplomacy muscle.

I know quite a few Lib Moons myself.They find me "harsh" & "uncouth".And can be preoccupied with "managing" what I say. And i find that so annoying.🦍

This Moon sign can be the type who flirts /is friendly & the two aforementioned can get confused with each other. This to even their own detriment 🤷🏿‍♂️

So Lib Moon may like someone. But the way they come across could send mixed signals to the desired person.

On one hand, the person may think Lib Moon is just friendly. On the other hand, they may think that they are just being a flirt.

Either way,the person does not get a clear unequivocal message of "I WANT U" from this moon.

I find this quite funny because Lib Moon may honestly believe they are coming on to you really strong. Giving you all the signals etc.

posted October 26, 2020 07:43 AM            

to be fair there's strong cases to be made against gandhi and mother theresa, and i think part of the issue is this idea that people need to be "all good" or "all bad" and so these issues get shut down or completely overlooked on one side or on the flipside they're all that's seen

i find the "they did no wrong" look at mother theresa and gandhi to be a little horrific personally because it takes away from reality, just like this idea that gandhi is the reason the british pulled out of india (he wasnt) and his overlooked partnership with them in africa doing to africans what was done in india that he protested

just saying... mostly because you put them on a pedestal with a biblical figure and that's kind of ridiculous given the reality of who they each were as people

that being said your comment on libra placement loyalty is true, people who have the warped idea that loyalty is equivalent to "i can do no wrong always take my side" arent likely to be happy with a libra in many cases though i will say this is often done within reason

and often non involvement followed by truth directly said to the person is how that goes unless they really crossed a huge line undeniably and nothing can be salvaged

but you aren't wrong my ascendant/venus/ketu being there i find it very distasteful when someone just blindly backs whoever they like more without seeing facts

"i dislike you so youre wrong" "i like you so youre right" because it's just this completely bias twisted way of looking at the world that doesnt work in reality

absolutely repulsive to me

just like when talking to a friend about an issue i dont blindly take their side if the other person can't speak for themselves because i know my friend has shortcomings and i'll question them with that in mind

on the flipside i appreciate when a friend does the same thing to me and asks me to reconsider my perspective on a situation with issues i have with someone else

i value the opinions of people who don't just take my side more because they'll push me to think of things in ways i'll be blind to because a single perspective has limitations

my mother is a libra sun and my older brother is a libra sun/mercury/venus so it's an energy i'm very familiar in that sense in spite of not actually having many people with libra placements in my life aside from that

@Hikaru29

with the flirty thing i'm admittedly guilty of that it's sort pf reflexive and based more on the other person's energy than my actual feelings

it's a habit ive recognized and have more recently attempted to try to reign in a bit because it can lead to hurt feelings and misunderstandings and i dont care for that

"i was only friendly joke flirting it wasnt serious" is a ****** thing to have to tell someone ultimately

posted October 26, 2020 08:02 AM            

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.And can be preoccupied with "managing" what I say. And i find that so annoying.🦍

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my libra sun mother is this way but i always attributed it partially to her heavy scorpio influence because my ex who had no libra in her chart was similar but also had scorpio

a bit differently because my mother is "let's keep everything nice" whereas my ex would just lose her **** if i disagreed with her on anything no matter how small in front of another person

she'd control the conversation then privately lose her **** at me later and even worse if the other person agreed with me or i knew more about something than she did

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posted October 26, 2020 09:42 AM            

My emotions are extremely intense but, unlike a scorpio moon, I have a lot more control over them. My youngest sister has a scorp moon and although she's very much like me when I was her age, she's all over the place with her feelings.

I can be very diplomatic and always try to see the middle ground in situations. Even if that means going against a friend or family member, I find that people really don't like that. If you're wrong, you're wrong 🤷‍♀️ and I'm never going to sugar coat it for you... They really hate that part but they still come to me for advice over and over. Now that I'm thinking about it more in depth, my moon can detach from a situation to see the bare bones and find a solution that best fits everyone. I think Pluto helps with the control (of myself not others) and I won't hesitate to cut you out forever if your scales are too tipsy for me.

I really REALLY despise it when people defend someone just because they're family or close friends. I can not wrap my head around those kinds of people. I also never sweep anything under the rug as I've read a lot of air moons do. I'll give the elephant in the room a name and dance with it. We'll get to the bottom of whatever it is for sure.

I can stand violence either. Becoming violent means I've lost control of myself and I strive to not do that. With Pluto so tight on my moon I have to be extra vigilant with how I handle situations, libra definitely helps me here. If it's going so wrong that I feel myself getting close to the edge, I'll detach quickly... Kind of step outside of myself to get an unbiased look at me, my triggers, and the other person. That has gotten me into trouble with fire moons. They want to dish it out all right now and I need to step away before I lose it. It's actually a huge fear of mine and why I've never done drugs or drank a lot.

posted October 26, 2020 12:49 PM            

And since I'm connected to a male body, I'm attracted to Libra like traits and energies in women. Since I also have Venus in my 7th, I'm VERY attracted to Venusian energy/traits in women, tending more towards the Libran side of expression than the Taurean like of Venus.

I find it funny when people say that Libra Moon is cold. No Sign ruled by Venus is innately "cold". Is Venus? Venus connects to the other heart, the Thymus gland/4th Center. i.e. the beginning of other focused consciousness. Literally the first Planet and dimension to really start to put the focus on others in a care and concerned kind of way. (And Libra is the first Sign to do this as well). So cold...

In any case, I've found time and time again, that older Souls are less indicated by Signs, and more so by Planets, especially Angular Planets and to a lesser extent Planets in close and/or strong aspect to the Chart ruler, especially if that other Planet aspecting the chart ruler is not Cadent.

I'm far more Jupitarian, for example, than I am Capricornian, Leonine, or Libran most of the time. These sides do come out some here and there, but the CONSTANT and more deeply character type vibe is Jupitarian more than the wavering Sign indications. Capricorn, Leo, Libra, Aquarius, Virgo etc relates more to personality level stuff. If you're dealing with a younger Soul, then yes, focus more on the Signs, because these type of people are far more personality and ego oriented/centered. Heck, the Moon and Rising Signs tend to be far more indicative for them than even the Sun Sign in a lot of cases. Because the Moon and Rising deal the most with personality.

Essentially, the more in your ego and more attached to the material plane, the more Signs (especially Rising and Moon) will be more accurate for you than the Planets. The more you strive to bring your ego/body personality into alignment with your Soul via spiritual attunement, focusing on on growing consciously, being more loving, meditation, right diet, etc, etc, the less well indicated by Signs you will tend to be, but more well indicated by highlighted Planets.

posted October 26, 2020 12:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
29 degrees makes it frozen and more so, the conjunction with Pluto makes it like a Scorpio moon, who is very deep feeling. The typical Libra moon is a cold moon. I know people get mad at this, but it is true and that is why it is called the Courtesan Moon.

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posted October 26, 2020 01:52 PM            

i wouldn't say say i find either of the libra moons i know cold, especially the chick i mentioned, actually what i love about her is that she's very empathetic so when i talk to her about something that's happened she'll take the other person into consideration

i find it difficult when people paint someone as one dimensional to take sides or whatever and she never does she really feels for everyone involved and that's not at all cold

it's a really amazing quality that i love her for

but i think to some extent how universal libra can be about those sentiments is part of what creates that disconnect

they're looking at everyone and so in a way it can detach them from an individual

it's a lesser version of aquarius detachment but it's definitely notable

either way when someone has a lot of air in their chart (in vedic it becomes earth ive noticed, the people who have libra then stay libra this isn't the same with) i just tend to not really have these deeper more solid connections with them

it's definitely partially me in that regard there's just that sense of like "we'll talk again when we talk" and a sort of timelessness to things though where it will always be like we can say these things that are intimate to each other but then also walk away from it and still care but not constantly be in each other's lives

🤷‍♀️ no idea why that always happens, but yeah not cold

i think people tend to view ability to detach as this sort of "unfeeling" thing and that's just not true at all

it's like assuming someone with a lot of water is going to be super empathetic and sweet when they can be abusive or selfish and struggle with relating to others and their emotions are all about how things pertain to them

their deep feelings can be self centered

posted October 26, 2020 04:42 PM            

It's like calling Moon in Virgo "Medicine cabinet Moon." I get the association, but Moon in Virgo is more than fussiness about health or any tendency to collect various remedies.

Moon in Libra is operating in the cardinal (initiating), air (relating) mode emotionally. Depending on the major aspects involved, especially conjunctions and parallels, it can vary quite widely in its coloration in the personality. Some will be arguers. Others will be peacemakers. Some will be suckups. Others will be leaders.

posted October 27, 2020 01:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Nadereme:
I'm a Libra Ascendant but many Libra placements especially Moon placement will feel that some others are being too black and white or too extreme and so they prefer the middle way.

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True in self's case. Tend to see a lot of subtle shades of gray rather than simple black and whites. Besides Libra Moon, I think it also relates to having very strong Jupiter and Neptune combo, and to having Pisces S. Node in the 7th.

Edit to add, and maybe also the Moon ruling the 12th and being conjunct the ruler of the Sun and Mercury Signs and faster moving ruler of the Venus Sign.

posted October 27, 2020 02:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
@PixieJane

just saying... mostly because you put them on a pedestal with a biblical figure and that's kind of ridiculous given the reality of who they each were as people

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Just noting so it doesn't get confusing in the future for those who got the impression you did (as I've recently said things about Gandhi, why peaceful protests don't actually work by themselves despite that's what the government wants us to think, and the like on another board that might wind up here later in a different thread, which would be really confusing and likely misread if the assumption is I put them on a pedestal, so correcting it now) that they were just examples that most people admire, but they still have haters.

Everyone has haters, no matter how famous or good they're said to be (and sometimes no matter how vile, from Hitler to plenty of serial killers and those boys who shot up Columbine can have a surprising number of people who love or even worship them). Whether they DESERVE to be loved or reviled is irrelevant.

And just for the record, I also don't put Jesus Christ on a pedestal. I can be harshly critical of the things Jesus said as well. And I don't mean "pharisees" who pick and choose and twist the words of Jesus, but straight up Jesus who I'm not even sure even existed as a mortal man. (It's also not something I intend to explain on this thread, but if you want to ask in Divine Diversities then I might answer, but sometimes I can take long breaks and I'm currently having to deal with fire alerts that threaten power and thus internet connection to where I'm at even I do have the time and inclination to check it out which just makes it even more likely it might be awhile before I get to it. Also, don't assume I therefore hate Christians or can't get along with them, I'm actually quite close and helpful to some, and am not always skeptical of those who claim to have received divine aid or paranormal experiences, though I have my own ideas on what is actually happening.)

posted October 27, 2020 05:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
@Hikaru29

with the flirty thing i'm admittedly guilty of that it's sort pf reflexive and based more on the other person's energy than my actual feelings

it's a habit ive recognized and have more recently attempted to try to reign in a bit because it can lead to hurt feelings and misunderstandings and i dont care for that

"i was only friendly joke flirting it wasnt serious" is a ****** thing to have to tell someone ultimately

not sure if libra moons enjoy it more though i definitely have mutually flirted with both my libra moon friends and i think only one of them was somewhat serious (in all fairness i was somewhat serious too but also somewhat unavailable) but it's not this intentional thing for me and sometimes im not doing it but get accused 🤷‍♀️

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I can't remember your chart... do you have a Libra Moon?

posted October 27, 2020 11:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I can't remember your chart... do you have a Libra Moon?

What happens is sometimes after a few drinks, you feel happy, you play/dance and you get friendlier and friendlier... you get my drift. When I confront him he says he's just being friendly, not attracted to them at all etc. While I believe he's not seriously attracted to them but this brings other issues - drawing unnecessary attention to himself and sometimes these gals become hostile towards me. When I complain to him he asks me to just ignore them. You can't tell a Sagittarius Moon to ignore a confrontation (lol). That's not gonna happen. I'm friendly yet clear of my boundaries so I cannot understand his lack of it. He would say "I don't wanna be rude" but to me that's just BS.

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nah aries moon (on my descendant) libra ascendant with libra venus conjunct, south node conjunct both too theyre heavily aspected part of a t-square with my cap mars and a kite with my leo mercury and sag uranus

it's more just if someone is flirty with me i'll respond that way even if i'm unfomfortable with them and and not at all interested, it's just this reflex

and i do it without thinking and without really even meaning to sometimes after ive said something i'm just like "really? why do you do this?" at myself

i do flirt with friends and **** too and literally tell every single one of my good friends that i love them (and stuff, they know how i am so they know it's just me and idk a lot of my friends have told me they find me attractive or things have hit a point where they were sort of sexual even just words etc

i'm also very used to people getting like touchy with me like hugging me and holding hands and cuddling etc so i don't think of these things as necessarily intimate and that's another thing and i know that people are like "how do you not understand this?" but i've never had a job where coworkers weren't doing things like coming over to me to lean up against me and hug me when they were having a bad day, or grab my hand and walk around to talk to me, or just like hug me out of nowhere telling my they love me (had some lines crossed before too but 🤷‍♀️

my last job i had a temp who was terrified of getting covid decide to hug me in the hallway because she was happy i was the one there that night with her, even though it was after me being around a bunch of people with it

and this has just been always even as a little kid so things that other people would consider like not just friendly i dont think anything of

i dont initiate these things like i wont say anything first typically and im not one to be touchy first, but these things are very normal to me and obviously it can cause issues because it makes me sort of oblivious to some degree

when im actually involved with someone they definitely see a different side of me than those people there's a lot more depth and those actions have more feeling and so on it's all different but yeah...

it really doesnt register as anything to me and i know that can surprise people and cause friction but it's not like that for me and it can be very difficult to explain innocent flirting with someone who's following you around and hugging you and telling you they think you're hot but... 🤷‍♀️ it really is that way

so i just understand it but i know how it can come off and ive had issues where i thought someone knew i was joking and then they really twisted it later on to stir **** or it's ended up being hurt feelings and then i feel bad

jealous exes too

posted October 27, 2020 11:52 AM            

appreciate you clarifying and i can guess which bits you have issues with, i intentionally didnt criticize jesus here because well... much safer to criticize mother theresa

people who hate her have issues with money that doesnt add up dirty needles being used on people she took care of and pain meds being refused etc btw

to some degree her and gandhi are both beloved because of one sided good pr and the people who dislike them have looked beneath the surface

we probably agree on pacifism

and with jesus his existence is hard to pin down and i view the bible as a grimoire that follows many of the same points other religions reiterate over and over again with added historical context through its translations and commentary on certain things at the time it was written

but given his messiah status it's easy to see why it came off that way i think

anyway i appreciate you clarifying in so much detail

your initial point was fair enough 🤷‍♀️