posted November 08, 2020 11:17 AM
Decided to take this off another thread and put it on a separate one as a general guideline for folks looking into the correlation of physical looks with the ASC and it's factors (since this topic has come up several times recently). Just as men tend to be taller than women, the Yang/Masculine Signs tend to be taller than the Yin/Feminine Signs, and are usually at least average to above average whereas the Yin/Feminine are average to below average.
Planets and symbols which noticeably indicate an "adding" of height, especially via conjunction and opposition, either to the Asc degree itself (especially) and/or to the faster moving chart ruler, are Sun, Mercury, especially Jupiter, Uranus often, and North Node.
Planets and symbols which noticeably indicate a detraction are Saturn, South Node, sometimes the Moon, and sometimes Uranus--Uranus being that of extremes and unusual can go either way, but most often is towards the adding.
Venus and Mars don't seem to either add nor detract much at all when it comes to height.
Venus might detract a bit in connection with a Yang Sign (being a Feminine/Yin polarized energy), and Mars might add a bit when in connection with a Yin Sign (because it's a very Yang polarized energy), but again, these are not usually all that strong either way.
Planets/symbols that indicate an increase in metabolism are Mercury, Mars, Saturn, North Node, Uranus often, (and Jupiter in youth only).
Planets/symbols that indicate a decrease in metabolism Moon, Venus, and Jupiter sometimes past youth (often more an appetite issue rather purely a metabolism issue).
Yang Signs generally have a faster metabolism than Yin Signs, just as men tend to have faster metabolisms than women. Exceptions being Virgo and Capricorn for Yin. Leo more towards a medium, goes either way type metabolism, and Sag in youth tends to fast metabolism, but past youth can gain weight because appetite can be very hearty to put it nicely.
Cardinal Signs tend towards an ovate type face, though Capricorn can be a bit longer and skinnier at times. Except for Cancer and to a lesser extent Libra, body type is more towards the wiry.
Fixed Signs have a bit slower metabolism than their respective Yin or Yang counterpart Signs, and tend to have the thickest bone structure and/or muscular build. Leo, Scorpio, and Taurus male Risings in particular can be powerhouses--these are natural body builder types (especially so when Mars is connected strongly to the ASC in some way).
Mutable Signs with the exception of Pisces tend to be longer, taller, and/or slimmer. Sagittarius is one of the tallest Signs on average (in the archetypal sense) and Gemini often a close second, but has even a more mutable and easily influenced nature so really depends on various factors. Virgo tends to be one of the tallest of the Yin Signs on average, and being mutable is more easily influenced by strong Planetary energies, cusping, etc.
Fire Signs tend to have the most vitality, tend to be the most athletic, and tend to have most muscle to fat/rest ratio. In especially caucasians, strong Fire in connection with ASC, most often corresponds with strong celtic descent/background. Freckles, reddish hair, all that jazz.
Water Signs tend to have slowest metabolism, being ultra Yin though Scorpio's tendency towards muscle and it's part Mars co-rulership offsets this a bit. Cancer is one of the lighter Signs, but in a different way than the Fire Signs. Skin is often relatively pale for the family or ethnicity (strong Earth and Saturn shading in can offset this)
Earth Signs are a bit like Fixed Signs in that there is a solidness and slowness to them, but this applies least to Virgo. Taurus which is both Fixed and Earth is uber all this. Capricorn while tending towards wiry and slim, tends to have good/strong bone structure, and is often stronger than they look. Often becoming more vital and strong past childhood/youth. The Earth Signs are the swarthiest/most darkly pigmented Signs on average.
Air Signs are some of the more flexible and changeable with all this, with the exception of Aquarius being a Fixed Sign. In caucasians or primary caucasian descent at least, there is often a strong germanic/scandavian descent/background or slavic.
Remember all of the above can be strongly modified by especially a close Planetary conjunction to the ASC, and to a lesser degree, a close Planetary conjunction to the faster moving chart ruler. (Close oppositions are also very strong modifiers).
Other strong Planetary aspects also will modify the basic archetypes of the Rising Sign. Especially when those Planets are Angular, near Angles, and in the 5th House. Neptune and Pluto however, don't seem to indicate much change on a purely physical level, but can very much on a vibe and emanation level.
Then Cusping can and will alter the basic Archetype of the Rising Sign. Especially noticable when the ASC is within 3 degrees of end or beginning of Sign i.e. 27 to 3 degrees.
Even similar goes a bit with the chart ruler to a lesser extent.
But always remember that Planetary energies are more concentrated, stronger, and more immediate than Sign. For example, say a person has mid Aries Rising, but Aries Moon is conjunct their ASC very closely. You may still see some Aries in them, but their metabolism is going to be much slower than Aries typically is (one of the fastest there are, which is why I chose them), and definitely a tendency to either caloric and/or water weight gain.
Now putting all this all together with the the ASC, the faster moving chart ruler, the various aspects to all these, factoring in possible cusping, if the Rising also has a modern ruler you have to factor in that a bit (more subtly than the faster moving one), etc.
We can begin to see that this is potentially a VERY complex and relative study even without adding in Sun Sign, Moon Sign, Stelliums, etc, not connected to the ASC. KISS principle.
It is potentially a lot of data to synthesize, balance, connect, and put into a holistic framework and context. Sometimes it's relatively easy if the person has a more or less, semi pure Rising Sign (in the middle of the Sign, few very strong aspects to the ASC degree or to faster moving chart ruler etc), but MOST times it's not.
And the other important thing to always remember. None of this is a cause. It's only reflecting the prechosen genetics of the body vehicle. And it's relative to ethnicity. If you incarnate in a black body, similar rules apply as to caucasian or other ethnicity, but relatively speaking. For example, a black person with Taurus Rising is going to tend to be a lot darker than a black person with Leo or Cancer Rising (unless Saturn and/or Earth is very strongly connected to the ASC).
Unfortunately, astrology has a somewhat racist history/background in that most of the classic observations and textbooks primarily address causasians, and especially western Euro types/descent. Hopefully this is or will be changing.
Personally, I never cared much about looks at all (when focusing on people, I focus on their energy and essence more so), but originally got into all this as a means of helping to rectify charts, both because of the spiritual vs physical birth times, and because of potentially inaccurate birth times.
Astrologers have been talking about this subject for thousands of years. If you read the Dead Sea Scrolls, you will see astrological references to peoples looks in relation to astrology and Rising Signs.
As an aside, sometimes people scoff at Edgar Cayce's description of Yeshua having reddish hair and gray blue eyes, but most people don't know that in the Dead Sea Scrolls, there is a prophecy of the coming "Chosen One" that outlines a powerful spiritual teacher of lofty knowledge, wisdom and powers, and interestingly it says on one of the scrolls, "his hair shall be red". Most Hebrews and/or Jews say it relates to Noah (which makes NO sense, because it's clearly a prophecy/prediction and not describing the past). Interestingly, the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered AFTER Cayce died. (Besides him/his source talking about this, two NDE's, one from a Jewish woman, mention red hair for him, and Joe McMoneagle, former Army/military Remote viewer for many years, also saw him as having reddish hair). Cayce indicated that his mother Miriam ("Mary") and he were twin Souls, and that Miriam had been born under Aquarius Sun (which back then, would have been more or less the same for Tropical and Sidereal/Vedic).
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