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Leo-Cancer98
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posted November 11, 2020 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My sister and her husband, who have been married for over 8 years, were both virgins on their wedding night. Erika told me if a man would not struggle with comparison, why would he need to “test drive” anything? After all, if he had never had multiple sexual partners, he would automatically think his wife is the best. For example, a guy who has never seen or driven, more than one car, would not know what other cars are like; he would thus be satisfied with his first car. Right? What do you think?

Also, being attracted to only older guys, is the main thing that kept me a virgin between ages 13-21. No one knows what’s going to happen in the future, so I felt like I couldn’t risk pregnancy. Especially by sleeping with a guy below age 29-30, who’s less likely to be financially-stable. You know, I never really understood how teenage girls do it; sleep with their often-broke 15-19 year old boyfriends. How do they know the guy won’t leave them if they were to conceive his baby? Because they “know” him? The prefrontal cortex of the male brain, doesn’t even finish developing until age 26.
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posted November 11, 2020 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mee_chryssa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Comparing is the way to know what is the best option to have.
I wouldn't put it in sexual relationships since it can get to a point where nothing satisfies a person anymore, but without comparing, someone can't know what it is best fitting for them.

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posted November 11, 2020 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Somna7H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not everyone have privilege and opportunities to compare everything. They might be very lucky who have compared everything and finally chosen the best one.

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posted November 11, 2020 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find the whole thing confusing. One minute it's all about the sex that forms the relationship, the next it's all about the relationship from which the sex comes. People should make up their minds which is the chicken and which is the egg.

Even scientists, at least as represented by the media (which to be fair could be misrepresenting the science to fit a social narrative that they know will be shared more as it conforms to confirmation biases) can't seem to decide if sex creates bonding chemicals of love (these studies must not include prostitutes, those who enjoy "rage sex," marriages that are filled with hate and dysfunction even when the sex is there, and never comment on the self-hate that many men AND women feel over masturbation, or even by having sex with someone they know is wrong for them, a betrayal, etc), or if it's a biological (and sometimes brutal) evolutionary response to spread the species without genuine love being involved in the process, just prostitution manifested in acceptable terms that allow for inheritance and property rights, a woman marrying up though a man in another culture might marry for the dowry, etc (and ignoring those who damage their own status with sex which goes against evolutionary psychology, pity sex, women who support a man whether or not she has sex with him and whether or not she actually wants to).

But as to your specific question, I'd say no. To use a metaphor, if all I ever had was vanilla ice cream, there's no way I'd know if chocolate was better, and curiosity would be a strong factor in me trying it. Sex is more so, even though I have a low sex drive. It's such a powerful force in society that I want to understand it.

And though not all men and women are the same, neither is it a male thing to sow their seeds while a woman waits for that one man. The women are out there cheating in hordes with the men (and men can be the aggrieved party, that is he can think the woman cheating on her husband is single, for example) as well.

Likewise, I've read and heard of too many women who thought if they married early that the "perverse thoughts" would go away and they could live the life they thought they were supposed to (a life based on lies that they mistook for truth, but typically shamed into keeping up the cycle of lies when she finds out how badly she was lied to, including through the birthing process) and it didn't work, and their marriage was doomed. If that's true of plenty of women, then why not men who are given more of a pass, sometimes even encouraged, to try another "car"?

Still, I much prefer the metaphor that portrays a woman as a car to one that portrays women as a shoe or a stick of gum.

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posted November 11, 2020 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It depends on individual beliefs how they regard marriage and sex. Some choose to wait till marriage; some choose to try it all. Can’t say which is right or wrong. What your BIL said is a ‘rather not know’ mentality. But I disagree that if you’ve never tried others you will automatically think your spouse is the best. I didn’t enjoy sex with my first bf and didn’t think he could be the best. I guess I watched enough xxx to know, lol. There’s also this other thing called sexual chemistry and if you don’t have it you will know. It’s like an instinct.

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posted November 11, 2020 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it's really very beautiful and romantic that they saved FULLY knowing each other (through sex) until they were legally married.. However!! Sex can uncloak things about the other person that could be VERY important.

So..
If sex is important, then you can do a "compromise" where you go for the "test drive" during the 'engagement period' (instead of abstaining until married).

It's amazing how having sex can unveil things about the other person that you TRULY did not know about. Maybe uncloaks some behaviors that would definitely be a 'deal breaker' for the relationship as a whole.

Love, mixed with 'lust' for the other, can seriously 'blind' you to things you NEED to have a "grounding knowledge of" BEFORE it's legal and too-late?

Amazing what you can find out about a person once you've had the sex.

About the "test drives" pertaining to 'other partners'.. I think that can be important too. {Says 5th House Venus in Taurus?? } Actually? You might be surprised how there are some men who don't know 'how'! ... ~oy
It's GOOD to know the difference.
Do you want someone with "experience"?

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posted November 11, 2020 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PixieJane:
I.
But as to your specific question, I'd say no. To use a metaphor, if all I ever had was vanilla ice cream, there's no way I'd know if chocolate was better, and curiosity would be a strong factor in me trying it. Sex is more so, even though I have a low sex drive. It's such a powerful force in society that I want to understand it.

And though not all men and women are the same, neither is it a male thing to sow their seeds while a woman waits for that one man. The women are out there cheating in hordes with the men (and men can be the aggrieved party, that is he can think the woman cheating on her husband is single, for example) as well.

Likewise, I've read and heard of too many women who thought if they married early that the "perverse thoughts" would go away and they could live the life they thought they were supposed to (a life based on lies that they mistook for truth, but typically shamed into keeping up the cycle of lies when she finds out how badly she was lied to, including through the birthing process) and it didn't work, and their marriage was doomed. If that's true of plenty of women, then why not men who are given more of a pass, sometimes even encouraged, to try another "car"?

Still, I much prefer the metaphor that portrays a woman as a car to one that portrays women as a shoe or a stick of gum.


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If you never drive Ferrari, It doesn’t mean you would think your good SUV is the best car out there.

I don’t thing the best sex from all options would be a good reason for marriage. However, the bad one could ruin it.

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posted November 11, 2020 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I disagree with your sister's logic.
For one you don't need to have tried something/someone else for comparison in order to know if what you have feels right or not. I have tried chocolate but not fish, that doesn't mean that I don't know if I like chocolate or not because I haven't tried fish.. So even if he hasn't tried anything else if what he had doesn't feel good then he won't think that he has the best, unless he is completely dumb.

2. I believe this is one of the two cases in which people have the highest chance to cheat and imo this one is the worst because it will happen later rather than sooner, so you will have spent many years of your life with that partner and you won't even see it coming when he cheats. When the relationship and/or feelings become dull or when another person intrigues the man or when curiosity about other scenarios kicks in.. at first he will keep resisting these thoughts/feelings
out of guilt and/or other emotions, which only serves to make them grow inside him more and more untill he finally gives in. Not saying it will happen 100% but there is a high chance it will.


3. I wouldn't want someone to want me because he hasn't tried anything else, it feels kind of insulting.. Like that person is just ok with me because I just happened to be the first one he tried.

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posted November 11, 2020 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mee_chryssa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I relate with what Mirage said. My behaviour changes after. For me, sleeping with someone is the most intimate thing that I can do and I feel like there is more responsability after. I never could treat it like a one night stand and I don't like it when I do it being in a short term relationship.

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posted November 11, 2020 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chanterelle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If they’ve been happily married for 8 years, if they’ve never wanted anyone else, good for them. One of the happiest-looking-from-the-outside (you never know) couples I know have been together since high school. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose. But if this is about you struggling with an inherited belief system, there’s nothing wrong with wanting to sleep with someone you don’t necessarily expect to marry. If you’re worried that a guy you like doesn’t take it as seriously as you do, I guess just look him in the eye and let him know that you don’t take it lightly (ideally in a calm, conversational moment) and trust your own intuition about his response.
Re: inherited belief systems, I agree with PixieJane — the real problem is when you have the expectation that the woman is going to be ‘pure’ and the man should already know what he’s doing. 👎👎

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posted November 13, 2020 03:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People are so naive. Your sex life with your partner before marriage does not necessarily resemble your sex life after marriage. How many men do you know that initially brag that their girlfriend is amazing in bed, marries her and then complains that she is no longer interested in sex (even if they don't have kids)? This happens very frequently.

What do you do if something happens to your partner and they can longer perform in bed even if they have the desire to do so? Are you going to leave them? There will come a day when sex will be off the table. Are you still going to love your spouse as a person or do you only love the sexual pleasure they once gave you?

People seem to forget that they can pick up random people on dating websites/apps/bars and find someone who is good in bed. Sex is not rocket science (being "good" in bed is not impressive nor is it an accomplishment). The real challenge is finding someone who genuinely loves you. Very few people manage to find this genuine love. Sex can easily make you think you have found "the one" when you really have not. I've had to comfort way too many friends who stayed with men because the sex was just too good to pass up even though these men were really terrible boyfriends. Sex is wonderful, but it can easily cloud your judgment, which is why it is best to be careful who you sleep with. Your body isn't candy; don't just give it away to anyone who asks.

Many people say that you shouldn't marry without test driving. Their argument is that your likelihood of divorce is higher if you marry without having sex first because sexual compatibility is very important. If this were true, why is our divorce rate so high at least in the US (I don't know about the rate in other countries)? Very few people are virgins until marriage in the US even if they marry young by their early 20s. This means most people are having sex before marriage and yet they discover they are incompatible in so many ways (even sexually) after marriage and they divorce. Clearly sex does not prepare you at all for marriage.

If you really want to know whether a partner will most likely be satisfying in the bedroom, then look at their communication style. Are they confident enough to directly tell you what they like and don't like? Can they voice their opinions maturely even though they are aware you have a differing opinion? Do their actions match their words? Can they keep a promise? Do you like the way they deal with disagreements or confrontation? Sex is all about communication. If they can't communicate about non-sexual topics in daily life, then they are going to have a difficult time performing in the bedroom long-term. s


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posted November 13, 2020 03:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People are so naive. Your sex life with your partner before marriage does not necessarily resemble your sex life after marriage. How many men do you know that initially brag that their girlfriend is amazing in bed, marries her and then complains that she is no longer interested in sex (even if they don't have kids)? This happens very frequently.

What do you do if something happens to your partner and they can longer perform in bed even if they have the desire to do so? Are you going to leave them? There will come a day when sex will be off the table. Are you still going to love your spouse as a person or do you only love the sexual pleasure they once gave you?

People seem to forget that they can pick up random people on dating websites/apps/bars and find someone who is good in bed. Sex is not rocket science (being "good" in bed is not impressive nor is it an accomplishment). The real challenge is finding someone who genuinely loves you. Very few people manage to find this genuine love. Sex can easily make you think you have found "the one" when you really have not. I've had to comfort way too many friends who stayed with men because the sex was just too good to pass up even though these men were really terrible boyfriends. Sex is wonderful, but it can easily cloud your judgment, which is why it is best to be careful who you sleep with. Your body isn't candy; don't just give it away to anyone who asks.

Many people say that you shouldn't marry without test driving. Their argument is that your likelihood of divorce is higher if you marry without having sex first because sexual compatibility is very important. If this were true, why is our divorce rate so high at least in the US (I don't know about the rate in other countries)? Very few people are virgins until marriage in the US even if they marry young by their early 20s. This means most people are having sex before marriage and yet they discover they are incompatible in so many ways (even sexually) after marriage and they divorce. Clearly sex does not prepare you at all for marriage.

If you really want to know whether a partner will most likely be satisfying in the bedroom, then look at their communication style. Are they confident enough to directly tell you what they like and don't like? Can they voice their opinions maturely even though they are aware you have a differing opinion? Do their actions match their words? Can they keep a promise? Do you like the way they deal with disagreements or confrontation? Sex is all about communication. If they can't communicate about non-sexual topics in daily life, then they are going to have a difficult time performing in the bedroom long-term. s


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posted November 13, 2020 04:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rrr test drive wrum wruum

Yesh come open my tunk

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Silly jokes appart

I briefly got hear smtgh abot this latly,

Boudelaire seemed tô write about this, and ow It turned into "trade/business in society,

And I thnink the question is outros of place, too ratinal and cold for something like lovemaking

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posted November 13, 2020 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mee_chryssa! I too found myself in life where I'd have ONE partner, long term, even if it wasn't going to go towards a permanent relationship. It was good for {ahem} 'excess energy' releasing.. LOL. Allowed me to look at other relationships with a cooler more balanced head. {And, avoided STD's.}

Did you know that there are 'astrological indicators' of our (described) approach and style to relationships?

yep. Written in the stars!! LOL

*~
Astra .. Interesting points.
More divorces?
There's a difference in level of commitment when approaching the marriage.

Contracts, or Covenants

With women being economically self-sufficient now, there may be less of a "need" to BE married, or to STAY in a marriage relationship.

Some regard marriage as simply a legal contract they can EASILY slip-out-of should change occur.

Less of an incentive to STAY and tackle the hard-spots.

With pre-nuptials, that's entering a relationship with a PLAN in place "to" Divorce the partner. They enter into the contract without FULL "energetic/vibrational" commitment.

There's a difference between making a legal pledge, and taking a solemn OATH.

IF ABUSE is going on--- THIS is dangerous, and SHOULD end, in order to protect the one being victimized.

Clues of an abusive partner might not always be evident. After you say 'I Do' it can be quite SHOCKING to see the 'change' in the partner...{e.g. 'trophy wives'?} She/he deserves friends/family/community to come together to help get them OUT and away. A strong woman can by surprise find herself incredibly vulnerable and without a direct way to 'say' something's wrong.
. . It's good when she has people in her life who can become aware-- observe, and ASK.

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posted November 15, 2020 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mee_chryssa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which astrological signs are, Mirage? I think mines are the Moon and Venus in Taurus.

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Interesting, I was thinking about that a few days ago, my partner he's been in committed relationships before so he's been with multiple sexual partners, on the other hand me, I was 30 when I met him and until I was 28 I was a virgin, I've been with only 3 man including him, and my current partner is the only one I have sex regularly cause the other 2 man I dated briefly.

So you can say he would be in the position to compared, and sometimes for me that's frustrating though he never says anything about his past and the other day got me thinking if I should experience more in the sex department. I am 33 and he is 35.

I never felt like I needed it to be honest, this past 3 years with him have been amazing in the sex department though we are at that phase (because I'm pregnant) in which we have less than usual but still.

Sex compatibility is important to me, I'm Scorpio ASC, so even if I haven't slept around with guys, I know I want to stay with him and I'm content.

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posted November 16, 2020 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by areesquivel:
Interesting, I was thinking about that a few days ago, my partner he's been in committed relationships before so he's been with multiple sexual partners, on the other hand me, I was 30 when I met him and until I was 28 I was a virgin, I've been with only 3 man including him, and my current partner is the only one I have sex regularly cause the other 2 man I dated briefly.

So you can say he would be in the position to compared, and sometimes for me that's frustrating though he never says anything about his past and the other day got me thinking if I should experience more in the sex department. I am 33 and he is 35.

I never felt like I needed it to be honest, this past 3 years with him have been amazing in the sex department though we are at that phase (because I'm pregnant) in which we have less than usual but still.

Sex compatibility is important to me, I'm Scorpio ASC, so even if I haven't slept around with guys, I know I want to stay with him and I'm content.


Are you guys engaged? Was the baby planned?

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posted November 22, 2020 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 22, 2020 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
Which astrological signs are, Mirage?
I think mines are the Moon and Venus in Taurus.

Hi Mee_chryssa

I don't know which 'house' your Moon and Venus Taurus in in?
(I don't have a copy of your chart.)

Read this article--
then see if this website helps pin down some of the meanings of your placements.
- http://i.thehoroscope.co/venus-in-5th-house-key-facts-about-its-influence-on-personal ity/

There's another aspect I've read that applies (because I have this)--
my Gemini Sun is just-below the horizon {Desc},
and in opposition to the Ascendant.

Sun opp Ascendant
Venus Taurus H5

(Taurus cusp of 5th, and 6th)

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posted November 22, 2020 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mee_chryssa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My venus is in 10th house and my Moon in the 11th. Both in Taurus.

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posted January 17, 2021 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Astra:
People are so naive. Your sex life with your partner before marriage does not necessarily resemble your sex life after marriage. How many men do you know that initially brag that their girlfriend is amazing in bed, marries her and then complains that she is no longer interested in sex (even if they don't have kids)? This happens very frequently.

What do you do if something happens to your partner and they can longer perform in bed even if they have the desire to do so? Are you going to leave them? There will come a day when sex will be off the table. Are you still going to love your spouse as a person or do you only love the sexual pleasure they once gave you?

People seem to forget that they can pick up random people on dating websites/apps/bars and find someone who is good in bed. Sex is not rocket science (being "good" in bed is not impressive nor is it an accomplishment). The real challenge is finding someone who genuinely loves you. Very few people manage to find this genuine love. Sex can easily make you think you have found "the one" when you really have not. I've had to comfort way too many friends who stayed with men because the sex was just too good to pass up even though these men were really terrible boyfriends. Sex is wonderful, but it can easily cloud your judgment, which is why it is best to be careful who you sleep with. Your body isn't candy; don't just give it away to anyone who asks.

Many people say that you shouldn't marry without test driving. Their argument is that your likelihood of divorce is higher if you marry without having sex first because sexual compatibility is very important. If this were true, why is our divorce rate so high at least in the US (I don't know about the rate in other countries)? Very few people are virgins until marriage in the US even if they marry young by their early 20s. This means most people are having sex before marriage and yet they discover they are incompatible in so many ways (even sexually) after marriage and they divorce. Clearly sex does not prepare you at all for marriage.

If you really want to know whether a partner will most likely be satisfying in the bedroom, then look at their communication style. Are they confident enough to directly tell you what they like and don't like? Can they voice their opinions maturely even though they are aware you have a differing opinion? Do their actions match their words? Can they keep a promise? Do you like the way they deal with disagreements or confrontation? Sex is all about communication. If they can't communicate about non-sexual topics in daily life, then they are going to have a difficult time performing in the bedroom long-term.


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