posted December 22, 2020 02:27 AM            

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CONGRATULATIONS 🎉
Graham!

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What about if it falls on your Uranus?
Or Mars?

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The 28th May 2000 Jupiter-Saturn conjunction was at Taurus 23 ... in my natal 8th house (of other people's values) and qcx my natal Mars (at Sag 25), which is in a wide opposition to natal Uranus (at Gemini 30).

Natal Mars and Uranus are respectively in the 3rd and 9th houses, but conjunct the Mc/Ic at Gemini/Sag 30. ... The conjunction fell in my 8th house (of other people's values).

In May/June of 2000, I had been studying astrology as a full-time hobby for some 7 years - having retired from my work/career in May 1993. ... However, although I had by then worked with the charts of 100's of family members/friends/acquaintancies, I had never tested what had been learned via interaction with/feedback from experienced astrologers and students. ... That was because I was very aware of how little had been learned from this intellectually-challenging hobby, despite the considerable amount of time and effort expended in doing so. ... Moreover, I had concluded that astrology was something which I was never going to "get"/understand - because, after 7 years, I still could not synthesise a natal chart (and despaired of ever being able to do so).

Then ... just as I was on the point of giving up my astrology studies, that Jupiter+Saturn conjunction activated natal Mars - which prompted natal Uranus to (suddenly) reveal how to synthesise my own natal chart. ... Thus began another 7 years cycle of practicing chart synthesis (by both revisiting old charts and exploring new ones) - after which I finally plucked up the courage in 2007 to take the next step (of joining an on-line astrology forum), where learning-via-feedback has now been my "course topic" for some 13 years.

So ... (imo) the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction opens a door of opportunity ... but, realisation of that opportunity/astrological "promise" will require hard work by chart-owners.

posted December 22, 2020 06:31 AM            

My moon's ruler is conjunct Saturn.

I have always felt serious and heavy and hyper responsible. Constant weight and melancholy.

For the first time in a long time, I feel light. I feel like a feather almost, and I feel cheery. I even had a happy dream last night.

Is this what Jupiter energy feels like?

posted December 22, 2020 08:14 AM            

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Original by Graham

The 28th May 2000 Jupiter-Saturn conjunction was at Taurus 23 ... in my natal 8th house (of other people's values) and qcx my natal Mars (at Sag 25), which is in a wide opposition to natal Uranus (at Gemini 30).

Natal Mars and Uranus are respectively in the 3rd and 9th houses, but conjunct the Mc/Ic at Gemini/Sag 30. ... The conjunction fell in my 8th house (of other people's values).

In May/June of 2000, I had been studying astrology as a full-time hobby for some 7 years - having retired from my work/career in May 1993. ... However, although I had by then worked with the charts of 100's of family members/friends/acquaintances, I had never tested what had been learned via interaction with/feedback from experienced astrologers and students. ... That was because I was very aware of how little had been learned from this intellectually-challenging hobby, despite the considerable amount of time and effort expended in doing so. ... Moreover, I had concluded that astrology was something which I was never going to "get"/understand - because, after 7 years, I still could not synthesize a natal chart (and despaired of ever being able to do so).

Then ... just as I was on the point of giving up my astrology studies, that Jupiter+Saturn conjunction activated natal Mars - which prompted natal Uranus to (suddenly) reveal how to synthesize my own natal chart. ... Thus began another 7 years cycle of practicing chart synthesis (by both revisiting old charts and exploring new ones) - after which I finally plucked up the courage in 2007 to take the next step (of joining an on-line astrology forum), where learning-via-feedback has now been my "course topic" for some 13 years.

So ... (imo) the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction opens a door of opportunity ... but, realisation of that opportunity/astrological "promise" will require hard work by chart-owners.

Sadly though, I also believe that most people will not put in the required effort. ... Instead, they will look back in 20 years time and conclude that (for them) "nothing significant was triggered by the Great Jupiter-Saturn conjunction of 2020".

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"Sadly though, I also believe that most people will not put in the required effort. ..."
{quote Graham}

So Graham. From what I read about your past years of 'striving' to learn astrology, according to your "OWN efforts", were you simply not "working HARD enough" to arrive at "knowing" what you know now? (I don't think so. You worked VERY hard.)

That "knowing" comes at its own pace.
Digestion. Letting your foot off the driving-intellectual gas?

Some people approach things with a nuts-bolt mechanical intellectualism.

There is more to "synthesis" than mental math-efforts that spit out the correct tech-mechanics.

People are more than their 'mind' their intellect. They are complicated by having a spirit, a soul, and are 'thick' with experiences and an emotional component.

I remember when transiting Neptune Pisces in my (3)rd went through the square to my Sun Gemini. omg!!! My mind, my intellect, felt in a blind fog! H3. It was like my 'words' disappeared. I had to learn to navigate using more than my 'grasping intellectual mind'... and had to get in 'touch' with other senses too. My Heart! Compassion. That was a good slow-down. Brought more balance to who I am, and to understanding other people.

I'm glad you're here at LL. We received an excellent "upgrade" when you joined. I see how actually "giving" of yourself that you are, and how "patient" you can be as you reach out to work with people, explaining the hard things about their chart. And I see those people being excellent sports, and digging down deep into themselves.. wow.

I remember some of the first sentences you wrote about yourself in the introductions forum. (I don't know if you changed it, but I remember.) You called yourself a pain-in-the-ass?? LOL

You try? .. nah, deep-down, I don't think so!

posted December 22, 2020 08:42 AM            

So, is Jupiter your chart's ruler?
Sagittarius Ascendant?

Transiting Jupiter-Saturn Aquarius in your 2nd or 3rd House?

Glad you're having some moments of feeling lighter.

posted December 22, 2020 08:58 AM            

It’s difficult to find varying sources of information on vertex, too.

posted December 22, 2020 09:40 AM            

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"Sadly though, I also believe that most people will not put in [b]the required effort. ..."
{quote Graham}

So Graham. From what I read about your past years of 'striving' to learn astrology, according to your "OWN efforts", were you simply not "working HARD enough" to arrive at "knowing" what you know now? (I don't think so. You worked VERY hard.)

That "knowing" comes at its own pace.
Digestion. Letting your foot off the driving-intellectual gas?

Some people approach things with a nuts-bolt mechanical intellectualism.

There is more to "synthesis" than mental math-efforts that spit out the correct tech-mechanics.

People are more than their 'mind' their intellect. They are complicated by having a spirit, a soul, and are 'thick' with experiences and an emotional component.

I remember when transiting Neptune Pisces in my (3)rd went through the square to my Sun Gemini. omg!!! My mind, my intellect, felt in a blind fog! H3. It was like my 'words' disappeared. I had to learn to navigate using more than my 'grasping intellectual mind'... and had to get in 'touch' with other senses too. My Heart! Compassion. That was a good slow-down. Brought more balance to who I am, and to understanding other people.

I'm glad you're here at LL. We received an excellent "upgrade" when you joined. I see how actually "giving" of yourself that you are, and how "patient" you can be as you reach out to work with people, explaining the hard things about their chart. And I see those people being excellent sports, and digging down deep into themselves.. wow.

I remember some of the first sentences you wrote about yourself in the introductions forum. (I don't know if you changed it, but I remember.) You called yourself a pain-in-the-ass?? LOL

You try? .. nah, deep-down, I don't think so!

Thanks for everything you do. [/B]

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Yes, mirage ... The ability to synthesise a chart did indeed come only after concluding/accepting that - intellectually - I was not able to do it, and never would be. ... [ "it was always thus, and thus it will always be" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2e_M06YDyY ]

posted December 22, 2020 11:30 AM            

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How wide of an orb are you guys considering as having a noticeable effect on the aspects created by the Great Conjunction? And are you considering aspects other than a conjunction—trines, oppositions? The Great Conjunction is occurring about 3.5 degrees away from my IC, and opposition my Part of Fortune, at about 5 degrees away. It’s also forming a trine to my natal moon in 8th house taurus, which is conjunct my natal Vertex.

It’s difficult to find varying sources of information on vertex, too.

And if the Great Conjunction happens almost exactly on someone’s DC, what are some of the ways one might interpret this?

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Because the sensitivity to astrological influences differs from person, I always start with the one-degree-maximum-orb rule for all transits ... and then widen it if I know (or suspect) the chart owner to be "of above average sensitivity".

In practice though, each chart owner should actively determine the orb at which they first become aware of Jupiter and Saturn transits (by reviewing past transits to natal planets/points) - and then use that as the maximum orb for the 2020 Jupiter/Saturn conjunction.
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As with all transits, the conjunction will be the strongest aspect ... but oppositions, squares, trines, 8th harmonic aspects and the sextile will affect those who are sensitive enough to "feel"/be aware of these respectively weaker aspects.
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posted December 22, 2020 11:58 AM            

Vertex in Synastry is probably a whole different topic, I imagine 😂

posted December 22, 2020 12:50 PM            

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Yes, mirage ... The ability to synthesise a chart did indeed come only after concluding/accepting that - intellectually - I was not able to do it, and never would be. ...
[ "it was always thus, and thus it will always be" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2e_M06YDyY ]

So ... not a coincidence that the ruler of the Taurus 23 Jupiter-Saturn conjunction was Venus - and my natal Venus is at Libra 23, widely conjunct Neptune in 1st house.

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{dialogue from that particular movie-scene}
"We don't read and write poetry because it's cute.
We read and write poetry
because we are members of the human race.
And the human race is filled with passion.

And medicine, law, business, engineering, these are noble pursuits and necessary to sustain life.

But poetry, beauty, romance, love, these are what we stay alive for.

To quote from Whitman,
'O me! O life!...
of the questions of these recurring;
of the endless trains of the faithless--
of cities filled with the foolish;
what good amid these,
O me, O life?'

Answer.
That you are here--
that life exists, and identity;
that the powerful play goes on
and you may contribute a verse.

That the powerful play goes on and you may contribute a verse.
What will your verse be?"

- http://dreaminginenglish-be.blogspot.com/2013/01/whats-poetry.html

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Loved that movie, and, Robin in it.
Very creative compilation of his scenes,
and upbeat music to go with it.

posted December 23, 2020 04:25 AM            

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Got it, thanks Graham!

Vertex in Synastry is probably a whole different topic, I imagine 😂

I’ve also found this link detailing how the conjunction may be working for you depending on which house it is transiting:
http://www.reddit.com/r/astrology/comme nts/k83pu8/what_the_the_great_conjunction_means_for_you/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

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I have Aquarius 1 in 4th house, for which your linked article states :-

Fourth House: This conjunction is repotting you. To come into the fullest glory of yourself, you need environments that grow as you grow. A plant held hostage to a pot where its roots cannot fully extend is dwarfed in potential. Saturn transiting your fourth house feels like being uprooted, like the ground beneath your feet is shifting. Your home, your family, your tribe—all various pots you hoped could contain your growth may prove cracked, worn, small. The happenings below the surface—your soil, your network of roots—all affect the viability of your bloom. You must tend to any garden with discipline, ready to get dirty, to encounter subterranean critters and pests. The state of your soul, your home, your domestic and private life may call for some uncomfortable pruning or care taking. That is Saturn. But like any garden, the fruits of your labor are delicious and nutritious. Your foliage becomes wondrous. Small, cracked pots give way to larger and more nurturing environments where you can expand fully into that glory. With Jupiter around, there will be no shortage of beautiful new pots. And the discernment to know where to be planted will prove to be the greatest crop you could grow.

Theme ... "I am blooming into sacred spaces that support my growth."

Interestingly ... this message has already been delivered (in another way), as I am currently in the process of remaking the garden at my home - which looked ok on the surface, but (over a period of 35+ years) its variety and more delicate plants had been destroyed by three invasive/dominant plants.

posted December 26, 2020 04:39 AM            

July 17 1802 - Virgo 6

June 19 1821 - Aries 25

Jan26 1842 - Capricorn 9

Oct 21 1861 - Capricorn 19

April 18 1881 - Taurus 02

Nov 28 1901 - Capricorn 15

Sep 10 1921 - Virgo 27

Feb 15 1941 - Taurus 10

Feb 19 1961 - Capricorn 26

July 24 1981 - LIBRA 5

May 28 2000 - Taurus 23

Dec 21 2020 - AQUARIUS 1

Oct 31 2040 - LIBRA 18

7 April 2060 - GEMINI 01

posted December 26, 2020 04:45 AM            

AN OLD ADOBE MISSION IN CALIFORNIA

This Symbol shows a safe and comfortable place to live, work, pray and practice our spiritual lives. The “Old Adobe Missions” were built with a great deal of effort, sacrifice, commitment, and a sense of community with one eye on the path and the other on the very real everyday needs of the people it serves. Sometimes we assume our beliefs are right and that others need to be shown the truth. Efforts should be turned to creating infrastructures to pursue these beliefs. Relating is not about control, but acceptance and reverence of each person's divinity. There should be no pretensions, but a forging of links to new worlds. Withdrawing. Spiritual retreat. Natural surroundings. Creating civilizations out of natural elements. Finding places to work with spirit. Sanctuaries and learning. Houses. Centers.

posted December 26, 2020 01:52 PM            

Aquarius, the humanitarian waterbearer,
nourishes the body of humanity.

Aquarius embodies a future-oriented vision for
an evolved humanitarian-based society and
the essence of philanthropy.

Aquarius is altruistic and inspires new ideas,
technologies and pursuits in the art-sciences
and in social issues of the world.

It is of the flow of resources within that populous
that creates a wholesome human condition.

The word 'social' is derived from the Old French
or the Latin socialis, meaning 'allied',
or from socius, meaning "friend"—-
good words to describe the essence of Aquarius.

Here all are recognized as allied friends,
as one human family.

posted December 26, 2020 04:54 PM            

I went back to school and earned my Masters a few years ago to follow a path that is my passion. But over the past few years I have still felt I don't know what I want to know... that I need more education and want more solidity behind my thoughts and words.

I am currently studying for a national certification exam, and have begun looking for additional training programs for once I complete the exam. I listen to my role models on podcast and read their books, and my goal for the longest while has been to know my stuff like they do.