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TaurusVenusGirl
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posted November 25, 2020 06:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been reading about so many people who make up a claim that they are suffering from cancer or another illness just to make a quick buck.

What would you expect to see, if it's possible, in someone's chart that would lie about their health status for fraudulent monetary or other secondary gains?

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charlie
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posted November 25, 2020 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I actually know of a person that did this!! Cancer Sun/Moon is all I know.

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posted November 25, 2020 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe a Mercury, Chiron opposition or something to do with those energies? Would they be self deluded. Neptune?

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posted November 25, 2020 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wouldn't have so much to do with health, outside of it being used as the vehicle of their Fraud.

Look for an Entrepreneurial chart.

Heavy on capitalism, coupled with ruthlessness-- cold lack of conscience. The ends justifies their means.

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posted November 25, 2020 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would think an average person has fear of serious sickness. If someone states something like that it would be from nothing to lose or believe in his invincibility.
I don’t think it has something to do with with ruthlessness or entrepreneurial. They don’t hurt the others. Also, it’s more acting than entrepreneur skill. It’s not a white collar fraud scheme.
I think a lot of low income people could do false disability claims, probably, not that serious as this.

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posted November 25, 2020 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only person that I personally know of who did this--not for money--but for attention, was an ex girlfriend of mine.

During the time that my Mom had cancer and before her death, for me, from age 16 to 20, towards the latter part of that (19) and when my Mom was doing much better (until she got re-sick and then died relatively shortly after), my then girlfriend told me in a dramatic display of tears, "I can't be with you anymore Justin, I have cancer and I'm going to die. I can't put you through that".

Fell for it hook, line, and sinker. Told her I didn't care, that I would be there for her no matter what. We stayed together for a little while after that. Then a while later, she callously and coldly broke up with me on the phone. Then after that (we worked at the same place unfortunately), she told me that she was pregnant by me. Hmm, considering we had had sex one time, I used protection and said protection didn't break or leak, I became rather suspicious at this point.

A couple mutual female friends who knew her longer than I had, clued me in, "Yeah, she's a pathlogical liar." "Why didn't you tell me before!?, to which one replied, "would you have really listened then?" Touche, touche.

Anyways, she has Sag Rising with Sag Neptune in the 1st very closely square Virgo Saturn (I think in the 10th or near her MC). Libra Sun, Aqua Moon. Also a near exact conjunction of Libra Venus and Pluto (she could be very charming and sweet indeed).

Besides having some severe lack of self love issues, my sense is that she started to get possessed/influenced at some point by some very not nice entities. She was a bit of a party gal, and well, combining extreme psychic sensitivity (Neptune in 1st, Aqua Moon, Sag Rising, close Venus Pluto conjunction, etc) with over drinking can lead to some issues in those areas.

It's a bit worrisome/disconcerting to know that she is now a nurse.

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posted November 25, 2020 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GalacticCoreExplosion, Those are aspects (I've got them) wherethe person can be self deluded. I've been much of my younger years.
Could your ex gf had been self deluded?

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posted November 25, 2020 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think it was entirely conscious, and so yes, self delusion is part of it, but the reason why very much feels like outside psychic meddling. And again, she opened herself up to it via alcohol (and lack of self love) while also being innately rather psychically sensitive.

Happens more than people are aware of or would like to think.

The thing is, a person can be more normally "self deluded" (say they are extremely "right brained") but they wouldn't do such unethical, hurtful type things to another person because of it. But when negative entities are involved, they push/nudge people towards such hurtful and other-destructive behaviors.

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posted November 25, 2020 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There was a blogger who did this in Australia. I can’t remember her name.

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posted November 25, 2020 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Galactic! ..ugh.
You were 'vulnerable'.. You had just lost your mother! -- In your 'falling for it', believing and caring for your girlfriend was a way for you to psychologically (in parallel) work through one of the greatest losses a human can have. {{ }}

When your girlfriend threw you that 'hook', I can TOTALLY see how this would have "broken you" in a way.
You were in GRIEF. It was 'the timing' that acted to "bypass" your filters and normal perceptions. Caused you to leap into it, throwing 'all that you are' into the caring of this person almost-as-though by doing that you were "saving your mother."

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posted November 25, 2020 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Mirage, thank you for the kind reply. My Mom was still alive when this happened. She died when I was 20, and I was with the girlfriend when I was 19. It was right before my Mom got re-sick and then went downhill really fast.

But I certainly had been through the wringer as she had been VERY sick before. (When I was 16) she found out from having a large tumor growing inside of her--she initially thought she might be pregnant again, but that didn't make any sense as my step father had been snipped. When she went in, found out it was a tumor and that she had 3rd stage ovarian and cervical cancer. She had surgery and then chemo, but her prognosis wasn't very good. But somehow she pulled through, and had almost a couple of relatively healthy years before it came back, quickly metastasized, then shut down her liver.

So yeah, at the time it was a very difficult, sore subject and it was extremely cruel of this girl"friend" to make something like that up just to get attention, or whatever she was trying to do. Empaths tend to attract opposite type people until they become conscious of this shadow dynamic.

(I had another girlfriend after, when 20, who broke up with me a couple weeks after my Mom died. But I certainly don't blame her for that. I was a mess, and we weren't together for the right reasons to begin with. It was a very co-dependent type relationship. It was right after that, that I took a break from relationships for awhile to work on myself and try to heal. About a year later, I met my current partner who is my twin soul.)

It all worked out in the end.

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posted November 25, 2020 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
There was a blogger who did this in Australia. I can’t remember her name.

Yes. Belle Gibson. Her app was going to be on the new iPhone at the time, then when her fraud was discovered they pulled it.

People were diagnosing her with munchausen syndrome.

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posted November 26, 2020 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Charts should be compared to those who misdiagnose others deliberately for the markup, and also for those who enter into charity work (at the bureaucratic level) to get the grant money to help the sick, disabled, and poor, only to then systematically get rid of them so there's more of a slush fund for the one with the grant money (or even entire board). (And there's a recent news story of a disabled man that others took the money from while torturing him to death.) They're certainly exploiting sickness and disability, real and otherwise.

I'd include aspects of patient dumping, but I think that's just profiteering by Wall Street who owns the hospitals. Doctors are private contractors who have very little say about how that works, they just have to follow orders, or throw away all their years of hard work to find another way to pay off their huge college loan debts. (Hmm...Doctors Without Borders is one of the few groups that makes me think humanity is actually worthy of something other than utter extinction, but I'm suddenly wondering how many sign up just to get away from the creditors...oh well, at least they earn that respite in dirty, dangerous, filthy, and often violent conditions, while the news ignores them and their inspiring if sometimes heartbreaking heroism to give fake news of celebrity feuds, political theater, and other trivial nonsense.)

But then there are the horror stories of doctors who send people home (or a homeless shelter) with heart attacks saying nothing is wrong with them. Heck, there was that one viral vid of nurses saying "we know when you're faking" which inspired countless to share of how they had to go to multiple doctors not to be considered faking it...and well deserved mockery of faking it to pay exorbitant, over the top medical bills (and where even a tiny cup of water can cost $20 and more) that would not be legal in most civilized countries. In short, not a way to make a quick buck.

I wonder about those who want to discredit everyone who says they're sick without reason. Or that those who are sick are obligated for some mysterious reason to show agony 24/7 or they're faking it.

Though I think Rod Serling would be...well, not pleased exactly, but something. He liked to make stories about how bigots hurt themselves. And learning how hard it is for people of color to get opioids while an opioid addiction epidemic is claiming white lives (I believe more die of this than breast cancer) would surely fit that theme (though the arcane insurance programs, plus those who have it and those who don't, surely make a difference as well). If only I could go back in time to share of the last few years, I'd have given him a lot of inspiration for his Twilight Zone stories!

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posted November 26, 2020 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Our healthcare system is different in Australia. If you don't have money for treatment the government pays for it. It just takes longer as you have to go on a waiting list.

But yes, I've read articles of a Doctor in America that purposefully misdiagnosed someone with cancer as the Doctor made a small fortune from the cancer treatment.

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posted November 27, 2020 04:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Travelman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a survivor myself, only an ahole and complete d***h***, nevermind placements as people like this only sully any placement they are associated with.

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