posted December 04, 2020 09:15 PM            

The 12th is hidden and seems to come out and the person can't figure it out. You can see how it comes out by the aspects to the Chiron like opposition to the 6th can be hidden pain in the 12th coming out as sickness.

So, the moral of the story is that there is no good placement for Chiron.

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posted December 04, 2020 11:34 PM            

Speaking in a general sense though, if one wants Chiron to be more in the background/weaker, then Cadent Houses and at least 12+ degrees away from the Angles will be the least prominent in the self or outer life. But perhaps Chiron being amplified/highlighted is what is needed for a particular Soul to grow more?

Really just depends. One cannot accurately judge the negativity or positivity of these things without knowing the entire Soul and Spirit history that is connected to and affecting the individual. With that said, when it comes to the main Planets and their connections to the centers of the body (endocrine glands), generally a preponderance of the slower vibratory symbols with a lack of mid and faster vibratory symbols to counterbalance, tends to equal a selfish, separative, and more towards destructive person. At least, that is how they used their freewill in the past.

If we are all are, unconsciously or consciously, trying to remember and grow towards conscious Source and Love/Oneness awareness and attunement, then in a more objective, though temporary sense, being predominantly of the slow vibratory symbols is a "bad" or rather undesirable condition--however, key word is temporary. One lifetime in the grand scheme, is but a drop in a bucket.

There are some Souls that are slow vibratory in this life, whose Spirits have projected/experienced very, very fast vibratory lives, or even overall pattern. Some are just one off, "fallen angels" in a sense. This is why we are asked to not judge--not because judging is inherently bad or limiting, but because we lack so much necessary/pertinent information. Truly, most of us, most of the time are quite ignorant.

However, there are "hard case, repeat offenders" out there. Both Souls and/or their larger, original Spirit selves that just don't learn and keep making the same mistakes, and problems for others, over, and over, and over. Some of these were present among the Pharisees, Sadducee's, and Scribes, and Yeshua spoke rather harshly to these, indicating that if they persisted in their destructive, separative ways, that their destiny was Soul and/or Spirit death (via Consciousness entropy/chaos). He likened it to being dumped in the trash heaps of Gehenna; where matter was rotting away.

He could see into their Soul and Spirit histories and was not speaking lightly, but from knowns.

P.S., I see Chiron as a mid vibratory symbol and as a more minor note than the main Planets we use--hence, in a sense, it's a bit more neutral overall in the grand scheme of things.

posted December 05, 2020 10:25 AM            

Chiron is the wounded healer. Whatever happened to the HEALER part of the equation?

Some of you are stuck in the wound. Maybe for your own evolutionary and spiritual growth you need the explore the HEALER part of Chiron.

posted December 05, 2020 11:01 AM            

Also, never tell me that "it could always be worse." I'm well aware. A lot of people are. I also don't really think that having it conjunct my Sun gives me any kind of special insight. I joined a photography challenge for December, hoping to have more to feel good about, but today's prompt is "What have you learned this year?" I haven't learned anything new, but I've been reminded of things, both good and bad. How people can band together and help each other, if they feel like it, and have the opportunity to be of help, but also how some will turn a blind eye to whatever is happening, just so long as they have what they need and/or want. We can all be guilty of it, but things have been amplified this year, for all of us.

posted December 05, 2020 11:57 AM            

We do heal through pain and use that to help others, but really, I wish I did not have so much childhood pain(Chiron in the 4th) but God knows what we need!

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posted December 05, 2020 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Hi Belage!

We do heal through pain and use that to help others, but really, I wish I did not have so much childhood pain(Chiron in the 4th) but God knows what we need!

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Sorry to hear that.

Also, your generation had Chiron in stressful aspects to Uranus and Neptune. Don't you think this is what makes Chiron more painful than it would normally be?

posted December 05, 2020 08:39 PM            

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Belage, very well said.

posted December 06, 2020 10:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Revina, it doesn't matter because relocating does not change your birth chart.

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Belage, very well said.

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posted December 07, 2020 04:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
My point is, we should not be labeling Chiron a BAD, BAD planet. As astrologers, we should know better than that.

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Thank you Belage.

Chiron taught all Hero's in greek mythology.
Astrologically he points to key-teachings we need to fulfill our life's soul-epic.

These are to be cared for, understood, accepted, and integrated with our being - healed - made whole - in order for us to mature as souls.

It makes no sense to whine over the fact that he may point us to a wound, and the notion that the wound is 'un-healable' is a load of b*llsh*t.

posted December 07, 2020 05:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
@ Teasel, anything conjunct the sun gets "combust". Vedic astrology has very excellent understanding of combustion, and I would suggest you read up on it.

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posted December 07, 2020 07:09 PM            

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Originally posted by nomad-monad:
These are to be cared for, understood, accepted, and integrated with our being - healed - made whole - in order for us to mature as souls.

It makes no sense to whine over the fact that he may point us to a wound, and the notion that the wound is 'un-healable' is a load of b*llsh*t.

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posted December 08, 2020 12:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Revina:
Ohh??
What about astrocartography/astrogeography and relocation astrology?
Is it not truth?

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posted December 08, 2020 03:09 PM            

Symbolic fiction.

It just doesn't work that way. Changing where you live cannot change where you were born which is an essential component of the astrological imprint. That's already done and sealed in.

However, of course you can move to a place that holds better opportunities for connections with others, personal growth, etc.

If you want to move to a place that holds better potentials for you, I really recommend you have a direct conversation with the universe and ask that it point you clearly like a neon sign to the best place on the planet for you to flourish. Do it while in a state of peace, with a positive, believing attitude of expectation. It will take a bit of time, but it will cut through any and all outside conjecture. You'll know it for yourself. Others may even unknowingly be the vehicles of this synchronicity when mentioning an area or city. Or it may come to you in a dream and leave no doubt.