posted December 11, 2020 01:19 PM            

I like having money and I will work extremely hard to get it. I don't mind being with someone that isn't rich but I will mind if they don't have the same type of work ethic that I do!

And to be honest..I will also have a hard time being with someone that can't atleast make ends meet..(barring unexpected events).

posted December 11, 2020 02:01 PM            

For the huge majority of my life, I haven't cared much about money, status, nor really anything of the earth earthly (even sex most of the time I'm rather non interested in). Because I'm a non religious follower/fan of Yeshua and his teachings, I made a vow in my late teens that I would not seek wealth, status, and the meaningless, trapping baubles of the world.

I recently just started to care more about money because my partner and I have gotten guidance about a specific service job we are meant to do, that likely will require some definite money. Because it will require travel and other things I will not go into on a public site.

This has stressed me out some, because I live pay check to pay check. But I also figure, if it's meant to happen, something will work out.

You have to look at the whole chart. Generally, Planetary strengths are more important that Signs.

People with a really strong emphasis on the slower to mid vibratory symbols that correspond to the first 4 Centers/Chakras i.e. Saturn, Mars, Moon, Mercury, sometimes (oftentimes?) Pluto, and/or Venus with a lack of focus on/highlighting of the fast vibratory symbols that correspond to the latter 3 Centers/Chakras i.e. Uranus, Neptune, Jupiter, and/or Sun tend to be more immersed in and attached to the material.

Uranus though, can go both ways. It can flip from over attachment to the material, to total detachment. It's nature is very extreme and flipping back and forth between slow and fast vibratory expressions. One second or day or week they are a materialist and want to live like Queen Cleopatra, the next second, day, week, they are practically an ascetic.

Since Sun, Jupiter, Neptune, and Uranus are some of my strongest Planets, despite all the Earth in my chart, I'm not focused on this, and my views, feelings, etc align a lot with Yeshua and his teachings.

There is his infamous teaching and sarcastic put down, "“And again I say to you that it is easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.”

I've found this to be generally, though not always, true. For example, the 1% of the 1% of the wealthiest people in the world, contain some of the most nasty, psychopathic, controlling, downright evil people in the world. Some of these people make Jeffrey Epstein look like just a "naughty boy" in comparison, and he was a nasty, psychopathic, fairly wealthy person himself.

Particularly people that have such intense desire and attachment to becoming wealthy and powerful like that, are often deeply, deeply spiritually sick and distorted. It's hard to get to those levels of wealth without running roughshod over others.

Take the "philanthropist" Bill Gates. His Microsoft business practices were so nasty and cut throat, and he was creating such a monopolistic condition, that the Federal government finally stepped in and sued him for breaking anti trust laws, back in 1999 I believe.

Then, after an apparent come to Jesus moment (no, not really as we shall see), he starts the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation literally the year after, allegedly dedicated to ridding the world of disease and hunger. Yet, is that really what he and his foundation is about? In a interview that was videoed, the interviewer notes that he and his foundation had spent about a billion dollars on vaccine development and research, and he candidly tells her that he thinks it was a smart investment and that he expects to see a 22 to 1 return on the investment. i.e., for the 1 billion he spent, he expects to see 22 billion in profit. These tricksie, tricksie plutocrat types... He's not really a philanthropist, he's just a shrewd businessman and investor that REALLY cares about the bottom line.

But, there are certainly very wealthy people out there that are loving and try to do good with money. People like Bono of U2. They just seem to be rare/the minority. It would be very interesting to see if Yeshua materialized in front of Bono and said, "give all your money away to the poor and needy", what Bono or someone like him would do though. On another note, supposedly Keanu Reeves gave away 75 million dollars.

Most of us the rest of us, are somewhere in between the extremes of Epstein on one side and Yeshua on the other.

posted December 12, 2020 03:37 PM            

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Sorry but i dont know what you just said, could you keep it simpler, you lost me at Jesus, what does Jesus have to do with money

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The most relevant, astrological part was this,

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People with a really strong emphasis on the slower to mid vibratory symbols that correspond to the first 4 Centers/Chakras i.e. Saturn, Mars, Moon, Mercury, sometimes (oftentimes?) Pluto, and/or Venus with a lack of focus on/highlighting of the fast vibratory symbols that correspond to the latter 3 Centers/Chakras i.e. Uranus, Neptune, Jupiter, and/or Sun tend to be more immersed in and attached to the material.

Uranus though, can go both ways. It can flip from over attachment to the material, to total detachment. It's nature is very extreme and flipping back and forth between slow and fast vibratory expressions. One second or day or week they are a materialist and want to live like Queen Cleopatra, the next second, day, week, they are practically an ascetic.

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I also put it in a larger, spiritual and consciousness context because straight astrology is not interesting to me and I consider it spiritually vapid and hollow.

As to your question, what does money have to do with Yeshua? On another thread, you mentioned you are Orthodox Christian. If you can't answer this yourself, then I'm not sure I can elucidate it fully.

I already summed it up in one of his infamous teachings, “And again I say to you that it is easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.”

Essentially, the more attachment to the things of the world, the less attuned we tend to become to really important things like Source and pure, Universal Love. The more attuned to the latter we become, the less attached we tend to become in relation to the things of the world, like money.

This is something that Yeshua constantly taught about in various different ways by example, words, parables, etc. It is one of the harder lessons for humans and human ego to swallow. But it bears repeating until humanity actually and finally learns it. Buddha also taught similarly.

Best to start getting non attached now, because in the near to nearish future, everything material is going to be taken away from us.

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"...and the present heavens and the earth, by the same word are treasured, for fire being kept to a day of judgment and destruction of the impious men.

...and it will come — the day of the Lord — as a thief in the night, in which the heavens* with a rushing noise will pass away, and the elements with burning heat be dissolved, and earth and the works in it shall be burnt up.

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* Note, the Greek word Ouranos which is often translated as "heaven", has a more literal translation/meaning of sky, the cosmos, space i.e. a more earthly context then a nonphysical, Spirit context which it sometimes is misinterpreted as.

The above are not just random words with no meaning. They were predictions of a probable future that pertain to our now/near future.

That day of intense fire is not far off. It is Solar fire. If you would like to understand more, then I suggest watching the following (I was shown these things before I watched the below): http://youtu.be/B_zfMyzXqfI

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming (no worries, I'll be leaving this thread).

posted December 13, 2020 10:05 AM            

on a personal level i don't see a person's worth based on their job or what they own or can give materially

if you're attracted to what a person has you aren't attracted to them you like material objects, maybe you like them too but if money is the deciding factor in attraction for you then really you're not open to actual connections or seeing a person as themselves separate from the things they acquire

do i think that's a good thing? personally no, seems empty to care about stuff to such a huge degree

do i care that you're like that? no and i don't think it makes you a bad person i just completely disagree with that set of priorities and see it as overlooking the core of another person

posted December 13, 2020 10:35 AM            

I have no problem paying on dates in all. But my personal rule is that the guy should pay on the first date. I know that might not be PC. But after what I've been through, if for whatever reason a guy can't pay for the first date, that is a red flag. It's just a good first impression for me.

That post high school relationship the guy would ask me if I would buy him cigarettes' or ice cream. If I said no he would knock over furniture. So, sorry if I want to make sure I'm not going down that kind of path again.

I formed the standard that a man must be able to hold a job in general. Even if it is a minimum wage job, and makes it work to make ends meet. As long as they can be responsible with their finances, and put effort in, that shows a lot to me.

When I first met my fiance he was making 11 an hour. He told me how he sometimes would not go out with friends because he made paying his bills #1 financial priority.
Another thing that made me realize I was super compatible with Venus Virgo fiance, was that he was up front about dating. He said something like I am cool taking you on dates but I can't do it all the time. I appreciated him being so upfront about that.

Because before that I was with a Venus Capricorn who would take me out to eat all the time, but learned that he resented me for it years later.

So yeah, I would much rather have a guy take me out a few times a month and be secure and genuine in his gesture.

Than with a guy who can't stay in and cook, takes me out everyday. And because it's everyday it just ends up being the same ol diner places. And then has such festering resentment towards me that it's not even appreciated when I do pay on a date. I think he had the toxic masculinity of if he is bothered paying on dates so much, that makes him less of a man or something...even though it was totally bothering him. I didn't pay that much because I did it when I could financially do it. At the time I was a college student working part time as a teacher assistant. So when I learned how much I was resented I really felt kicked when I was down. I was super hurt that he felt like he couldn't tell me. Because I know how it feels to have to say no sometimes, and have someone throw a fit like a monster. I would never behave like that.

But my Virgo Venus fiance has taken me on some of the most spectacular dates. From casual bars, 5 star restaurants, concerts, the beach.

He also makes double of what he was making when I first met him.

It doesn't matter that he doesn't dine me out all the time. When we do go out it makes it that much more special, plus we are saving money cooking more. His dates have really knocked me off my socks. Once my life got more stable. (done with associates program, and got my full time job with consistent hours.) I wanted to put calculated effort into treating him the way he treats me. I make it a plan to take him on some sort of date once a month. From ice cream at A&W to a bed and breakfast datecation! I like to say if you can handle my 3 dollar ice cream dates then you deserve my 300 dollar 5 star restaurant dates. Because of our frugality we can do some really nice dates with out stressing.

posted December 13, 2020 12:26 PM            

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@Stawr
>That post high school relationship the guy would ask me if I would buy him cigarettes' or ice cream. If I said no he would knock over furniture.

i don't think money was the biggest issue here, just saying

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posted December 13, 2020 05:40 PM            

But my moon is in taurus in my tenth house (also my sun and venus)..Is that also such an aspects because 10th house being the house of caapricorn?

posted December 13, 2020 05:47 PM            

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I am ashamed to admit this materialistic side of me and i blame it on this mars! (doesn't help my moon is in 8th, i guess i am looking for materialistic security by the spouse i gues, i guess)[/B]

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posted December 14, 2020 11:06 AM            

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I am ashamed to admit this materialistic side of me and i blame it on this mars! (doesn't help my moon is in 8th, i guess i am looking for materialistic security by the spouse i gues, i guess)

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The society is putting pressure on women to be ''blinde in love'' I am not like that, sure when I like someone I become stupid and ignore many things, but I dont dare say I would get that blinde to ignore irresponsible man, I like having my own money, I would like someone liking money just like me. But the society considers that shameful apparently.

posted December 14, 2020 03:32 PM            

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@honeyloveee

so are you saying his money is yours and yours is yours too? and you want to be "independent" but taken care of?

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posted December 15, 2020 02:09 PM            

You shouldn't be ashamed for wanting anything as long as you respect others. If you're honest I don't see the problem.

I have Mars, Venus and Jupiter in the 2nd H and even though I want money for myself to make my life and my beloved people lives easier, in order to have more time to spend with them, I don't care if the person I date has money or not as long as he doesn't depend on me financially.. And the reason this would bother me is exactly because I don't want anyone to be with me for my money.

posted December 16, 2020 06:46 PM            

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So are ´being independent`and ´taken care of´ two opposite things?

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posted December 16, 2020 08:31 PM            

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So are ´being independent`and ´taken care of´ two opposite things?

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In English, at least in the US, "being independent" means you take care of yourself, which includes paying your own bills. An independent woman doesn't depend on a man (or dates) to pay for your meals, put a roof over your head, let alone buy you fine clothes and jewelry. Instead, you provide this stuff for yourself.

In contrast, if someone "takes care of you" then someone else is paying the bills. You are not considered independent. Less offensive words and phrases are "high maintenance" and "princess." Not as in Princess Leia or Di or even Peach but more like...well, think pet or child, actually. She might get her way, feel entitled, but she still depends upon others to take care of her, and therefore is not independent even if she has him wrapped around her finger. Lots of men like women who depend on them as this gives him power, even if he uses it to spoil her.

There is room for nuance here if providing a (legal) service of monetary value that contributes significantly to the relationship (and if say she does many domestic chores while also holding down a job just as she may expect him to have the energy to wine and dine and romance her after a tiring day at the office). But even then, she's probably worse off than him if either break it off (unless she has someone else, like her mother, to take care of her financial needs--because she depends upon others, not herself, and thus not really independent no matter how indulged she might be).

posted December 16, 2020 10:41 PM            

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In English, at least in the US, "being independent" means you take care of yourself, which includes paying your own bills. An independent woman doesn't depend on a man (or dates) to pay for your meals, put a roof over your head, let alone buy you fine clothes and jewelry. Instead, you provide this stuff for yourself.

In contrast, if someone "takes care of you" then someone else is paying the bills. You are not considered independent. Less offensive words and phrases are "high maintenance" and "princess." Not as in Princess Leia or Di or even Peach but more like...well, think pet or child, actually. She might get her way, feel entitled, but she still depends upon others to take care of her, and therefore is not independent even if she has him wrapped around her finger. Lots of men like women who depend on them as this gives him power, even if he uses it to spoil her.

There is room for nuance here if providing a (legal) service of monetary value that contributes significantly to the relationship (and if say she does many domestic chores while also holding down a job just as she may expect him to have the energy to wine and dine and romance her after a tiring day at the office). But even then, she's probably worse off than him if either break it off (unless she has someone else, like her mother, to take care of her financial needs--because she depends upon others, not herself, and thus not really independent no matter how indulged she might be).

I'm leaving out sugar daddies, prostitution, and the like which can muddy the issue depending on how much choice she has between clients (as opposed to an actual relationship that is personal rather than just business).

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posted December 16, 2020 11:18 PM            

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I dont know, i think i am ashamed because we live in day and age where so much pressure is put on women to take men as they come, and as most come WITHOUT money and plans for the future, those of us who find money a significant attraction factor are made to feel guilty. I don't know honestly, it probably has to do with my childhood as well, that's why I mention the moon in 8th, when I was growing up dad was a gambler, so money is SECURITY and POWER to me if one cant offer me that it sends me back to my dad's previous reckless behavior, and times where money was not appreciated and I learned that money should be appreciated the hard way. And then mars (attraction) in earth sign and house, again materialistic position, I like material stuff as much as I like the opposite (moon in water)

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