posted December 15, 2020 05:42 AM            

Start by reflecting upon what YOU mean by the term Chart Ruler. ... (For example, I consider the chart ruler to be the planet which the chart owner is most likely to personally identify himself/herself with. Thus, "chart rulers R us" - or that part of the person to which the ego is most attached at the time of birth.)

In my own natal chart, the ruler of the Virgo Ascendant (Mercury) is challenged for rulership of the chart by Uranus (in Gemini/9th, but just 11 arc-minutes from the MC). ... For the first 42 years of my life, Mercury's ambition+materialism drove me to pursue my career - then Uranus retired me from that career, to pursue astrology as a full-time activity (as a mechanism for increasing self-awareness).

posted December 15, 2020 07:32 AM            

I did not understand so well where you need guidence?

posted December 15, 2020 12:58 PM            

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Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
Yes, the planet that rules the sign your acc hits, is your chart ruler. Always heared it like that and if you google you will find the same.

I did not understand so well where you need guidence?

I dont know if they are in simmilar degrees, but the planets that would aspect your saturn in a fluid way would be your aqua planets. And mercury ruling gemini, and it beeing in Scorp in your chart, and you having a full Sc+orpio sign will influence that Saturn too i guess

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posted December 17, 2020 04:50 PM            

I wouldn't characterize it in terms of comfort or discomfort there. Just look at how Saturn operates in Gemini, the general mode of expression that sign gives to Saturn.

These estimations of 'best' or 'worst' placements may have some merits, but are meaningless in real world interpretation to the individual. You have the placements you have, so look for how you can make use of their strengths.

With Saturn in Gemini this anchors Saturn's control / organizing / problem solving in the Gemini mode of thinking, curiosity, ongoing learning, communication: the mutable air mode. This anchoring effect can allow for efforts of organization information for formal presentation, teaching, staged learning and investigation, records keeping, writing, journalism -- just to give some examples. Not to suggest what your vocation should be but to show how the combination can find productive, positive expression. This placement encourages rational, sequential thinking, adaptation of systems and methods, problem solving, etc. It can be a point of anchoring/stabilizing influence in work environments in which there is continual flux of input/output.

posted December 17, 2020 11:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Yes, Saturn is the chart 'ruler' if Capricorn is your correct rising sign.

I wouldn't characterize it in terms of comfort or discomfort there. Just look at how Saturn operates in Gemini, the general mode of expression that sign gives to Saturn.

These estimations of 'best' or 'worst' placements may have some merits, but are meaningless in real world interpretation to the individual. You have the placements you have, so look for how you can make use of their strengths.

With Saturn in Gemini this anchors Saturn's control / organizing / problem solving in the Gemini mode of thinking, curiosity, ongoing learning, communication: the mutable air mode. This anchoring effect can allow for efforts of organization information for formal presentation, teaching, staged learning and investigation, records keeping, writing, journalism -- just to give some examples. Not to suggest what your vocation should be but to show how the combination can find productive, positive expression. This placement encourages rational, sequential thinking, adaptation of systems and methods, problem solving, etc. It can be a point of anchoring/stabilizing influence in work environments in which there is continual flux of input/output.

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What (specifically) does a chart ruler do because it is the ruler? ... Why is it not just "the ruler of the Ascendant"?

posted December 18, 2020 12:46 AM            

"There are only two circumstances that determine rulership of the nativity :-

a) The ruler of the horoscope is the planet that disposits the sign on the Ascendant;

b) If a planet is within 5 degrees of the Ascendant in the first house, or 3 degrees of the Ascendant in the 12th house, it takes over rulership."

Around 10 years ago, I e-mailed the author of that quote ... asking him to confirm the validity of (b)that statement. He replied immediately - stating that he wrote the book 10 years ago, and did not necessarily believe now what he believed then.

Since then, I have asked many astrologers/astrology students what they mean by the term "ruler of the chart" - but have yet to get an answer which goes beyond "the ruler of the sign on the Ascendant is the ruler of the chart".

posted December 18, 2020 04:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:

But ... what do you actually mean by the term "chart ruler", Kannon?

What (specifically) does a chart ruler do because it is the ruler? ... Why is it not just "the ruler of the Ascendant"?

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It's just the planetary principle of the Asc sign. There's no huge magic box to open here. It adds a bit to the focus of the personality by its sign/house location, but not much more.

posted December 19, 2020 12:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
It's just the planetary principle of the Asc sign. There's no huge magic box to open here. It adds a bit to the focus of the personality by its sign/house location, but not much more.

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Thanks for replying, Kannon.

That accords completely with my own view/expeience of the role of the Ascendant ruler though. ... So, I still suspect that the term "chart ruler" is just jargon created by the astrological community to make the Ascendant ruler seem more influential than it actually is.

posted December 19, 2020 07:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
Thanks for replying, Kannon.

That accords completely with my own view/expeience of the role of the Ascendant ruler though. ... So, I still suspect that the term "chart ruler" is just jargon created by the astrological community to make the Ascendant ruler seem more influential than it actually is.

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Yeah, we do seem to like creating jargon. I've even coined a term that matters to me and demonstrates a principle in rectification (progressions), but which will probably just remain on my blog.

I'd say there are a number of terms bandied about that are misleading to meaningless, "unaspected" being one of them and one of my pet peeves.

I look at it this way, if the term contains what is essentially a reductionism of interpretation then it's probably overblown and best to ignore it.

posted December 19, 2020 10:54 PM            

The deeper point being is that the ASC being such an important and sensitive point, then the ruler of same, also becomes a very sensitive point.

It doesn't mean that it is the strongest Planet, but just an especially sensitive point after the ASC. You can see this in many ways, even as to looks.

For example, my partner has Capricorn ASC. In an archetypal sense, normally short'ish, skinnier (even to downright bony), and darker.

But in her chart, the chart ruler, Saturn, is in Libra and conjunct Libra Jupiter with less than a degree of separation. She is rather tall and strong (her chiropractor said that if her spine had developed ideally, she would have been around 6ft tall, now she is 5'9" and some change), and Jupiter is quite strong in her psyche, though second to Venus which is in her 1st and closest to her ASC.

In that sense, Jupiter is actually "stronger" (more highlighted) than Saturn is, in a Planetary sense.

But again, not as strong as Venus, which symbolizes the nonphysical dimension she came into this level from. I guess in a loose sense, you could call Venus her true chart ruler since it's the most highlighted planet, but that's a matter of semantics.

posted December 20, 2020 12:46 AM            

Yet, having now lived with my own chart for some 72 years, I believe Uranus to have been my most influential planet - despite Mercury being the ruler of both my Virgo Ascendant and Gemini MC. ... However, perhaps it is significant that the astrological community considers Uranus to be the higher octave of Mercury - and that, in tarot card readings, the selected significator reflects the age of the person whose cards are being read.

Hence, (imo), each astrology student or/and chart owner needs to be very clear about what he/she expects to be the role of his/her chart ruler ... since there will almost certainly be a planet fulfilling that role, but under another name (such as Ascendant Ruler/Most Elevated Planet/Most Aspected Planet/Tension Ruler/Sole Dispositor/Biggest Aspidistra in the World/etc.).