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hypatia238
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posted December 23, 2020 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone who has been in a toxic or abusive relationship knows on average it can take up 7 attempts of breaking the relationship off before the person is truly able to end it and walk away for good.

I think it would be interesting to see what was going on transit wise, with solar return or solar arc or progression during this time.

You can even check the composite chart and progressed composite and transits to both to see if anything pops up.

Anything you can share that pops up about that time in your life would be great and by the way congrats for walking away, is hard and I am glad you were able to.

Where the nodes involved? Feel free to include asteroids in your response if you feel it may be relevant. Perhaps a slow moving planet in hard aspect to natal Dejanira may lead to this type of courage. Asteroid Kali comes to mind too and Atropos.

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posted December 23, 2020 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting topic and wb Hypatia!

I just researched my personal past heartbreaks. Often the decan of Pluto is involved in the breakup. So fights could create discomfort, a long time ypuntil the trigger pint by Pluto is tripped. Decans are old and possibly more an undercurrent type energy. You know that "last nerve" kinda agitation? Then it's done. Saturn Decans can bring back unfinished business.

Idk if you're open to those but in my studiesthey do repeat.

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hypatia238
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posted December 23, 2020 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
Interesting topic and wb Hypatia!

I just researched my personal past heartbreaks. Often the decan of Pluto is involved in the breakup. So fights could create discomfort, a long time ypuntil the trigger pint by Pluto is tripped. Decans are old and possibly more an undercurrent type energy. You know that "last nerve" kinda agitation? Then it's done. Saturn Decans can bring back unfinished business.

Idk if you're open to those but in my studies they do repeat.


Great observations, interesting your theory on pluto decans and Saturn. Thanks for the welcome back. Hugs.

Pluto rules endings but also joint finances and deep bonds/attachment but Pluto also relates to survival (death and rebirth), you get the image of rising like a phoenix from the ashes when you think of Pluto.

I was thinking after starting this thread that perhaps many people get the courage to walk away when they feel that is either them or they and it turns into a survival issue and self worth issue (2nd/8th house stuff), were the person walks away so they can survive and to retain whatever dignity they have left in themselves (2nd house), they choose themselves but I think what keeps them in the relationship for so long is a deep attachment and joint finances/resources so essentially the 8th house, it turns into a battle between the 2nd house and the 8th and when the person walks away the 2nd house wins and in the process they lose the other but find themselves. When the situation is highly abusive I feel reaching that turning point were the person chooses themselves and walks away is more likely although still very hard bc the 8th house makes it hard but yet if it wasn't for the 8th I don't think there would be long term relationships. You have be attached to put up with the other person's shadow side but how much is too much, each person has to decide that for themselves. Is in the 8th house were abuse of power can also take place and so were abusive dynamics play out.

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posted December 23, 2020 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 24, 2020 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Somna7H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never had Courage.
People always left me.
I never able to walk always from any relationship(any type) at first place.
I have Weak Detriment Mars in Libra.
Libra 7th House of natural zodiac represents relationships. Again Mars is my 7th Lord too as I'm a Taurus Asc man.
There must be other reasons but i could find in my chart due to lack of deep knowledge in astrology.

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posted December 24, 2020 06:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn - Chiron square in transits....its called the heartbreak aspect.

I just checked the transits and i literally had it at 0' when i walked away

I also had Mercury - Chiron in transit, 1 degree conjunction

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hypatia238
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posted December 24, 2020 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Teasel and Orange,

Interesting responses.

You are both bringing up chiron and for teasel even though it was her mother who walked away Teasel had Tr Pluto and Saturn opposing her Sun/Ceres/Chiron when it happened so for her Chiron and Saturn were involved as well as Pluto and with Ceres there it can symbolize how her mother finally was able to walk away from that relationship which led to Teasel also been a victim of the abuse but her been a child it was her mother who could walk away.

Orange I walked away from my ex when tr chiron was squaring his saturn and when tr pluto was conjuncting my southnode and squaring my moon which rules my 8th house and opposes my 7th house ruler.

Is interesting that chiron may be a critical player in this along with saturn and pluto.

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posted December 24, 2020 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SleepyDiary     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hypatia how are you? I remember you so nice to see you are still here.

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posted December 24, 2020 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SleepyDiary:
Hypatia how are you? I remember you so nice to see you are still here.

Hanging in there, not a big fan of November and December this year. Until October I kept busy finishing requirements to get my license, then early october I passed the exam and in late october went on a road trip to celebrate.

Once back it just has sucked I feel, I miss my parents and my husband is a d*ck. I feel up to October I focused on getting my license and I would go on hikes and those two things made a big difference for me this year but with winter here I don't want to go on hikes and you cannot dine out now so staying at home even more and cannot visit my family bc they don't feel comfortable yet bc of covid.

The truth is I have had a pretty decent year despite how hard this year has been for the collective but November and December have sucked a lot so I am hanging in there and it helps to come here and put my thoughts down and use astrology to make sense of things and get some guidance.

I think I remember you have moon in pisces too! Hugs. Is nice to see you around here as well. How are you doing?

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posted December 24, 2020 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SleepyDiary     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You still married to the same man? I'm sorry but i thought you weren't in love with him and had found some chemistry with another one, I hope things gets better for you. I read your post and I hope you find the strength you seem like a lovely lady with great energy.

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posted December 24, 2020 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes still married, been with him since 2007. We have our ups and downs but have stuck it out. Not interested in meeting anybody new, everyone has flaws and things that make me want to end the relationship. Who knows maybe one day I will walk away and never look back but unlikely.

In composite we have venus square uranus but also venus septile saturn with saturn squaring the nodes and saturn in the 8th as part of a libra stellium. There is a lot of things that glues us together despite the ups and downs and how intense some of our fights get. We also have a deep bond and a lot of history and there is good times, adventures and laughter too. I have venus and mars in the 8th and he has mars in scorpio conjunct Uranus an angle sesquisquare his moon, I think any relationship I get in will be intense and complicated.

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posted December 25, 2020 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know though something feels different lately though. Like lately when he is hurtful I am not able to just forget about it like I have for so long, a part of that pain is staying behind each time he acts in a way that is hurtful and I am not able to get rid of it. I don't hate him and I forgive him but I am not able to forget anymore. Is like heartbreak and starting to grieve the end of something, maybe the nodal return is the beginning of the end for us. In my last nodal return I did end a relationship but I ended it out of the blue, I feel this time it will be less Uranus like and more Saturn like, I will prepare myself and him for this ending and let god guide me and let me know when to walk away...

I think my skipped step is about learning about how to let go and how to end relationships perhaps, Mercury rules my 7th and Moon my 8th and they oppose each other and square my nodes.

Orange I think Chiron may be playing a role for me, it is conjunct my IC and it may be what is making it hard for me to forget it when he is hurtful.

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posted December 25, 2020 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, Hypa
maybe in the past when he was hurtful towards you, you justified it by blaming yourself and forgave him because you felt somewhat guilty. At this point however, it seems you have enough of it as the time goes by and you feel like you paid your dues towards him and the karma that kept you together, so you feel ready to seek new paths. I think if i remember correctly that his Saturn squares your Sun, so yes he can be harsh and critical and expect too much from you and punish you if you dont deliver. But this eats up your personal energy and when enough is enough you need to draw the line and move on some place else to replenish your drained and sucked up energy. Im sure the Universe will walk you thru this at the right time. Transiting Saturn will oppose your natal Venus-Mars conjunction later on while he is transiting thru Aqua, so it might be then.

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posted December 25, 2020 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Orange:
Hi, Hypa
maybe in the past when he was hurtful towards you, you justified it by blaming yourself and forgave him because you felt somewhat guilty. At this point however, it seems you have enough of it as the time goes by and you feel like you paid your dues towards him and the karma that kept you together, so you feel ready to seek new paths. I think if i remember correctly that his Saturn squares your Sun, so yes he can be harsh and critical and expect too much from you and punish you if you dont deliver. But this eats up your personal energy and when enough is enough you need to draw the line and move on some place else to replenish your drained and sucked up energy. Im sure the Universe will walk you thru this at the right time. Transiting Saturn will oppose your natal Venus-Mars conjunction later on while he is transiting thru Aqua, so it might be then.

That is very insightful and intuitive feedback. I also justified it in the past because I felt compassion for him and how his past may have shaped him into who he is but I think you are right that past karma also resulted in me blaming myself in some level and feeling guilty subconsciously leading to me been more lenient and forgiving.

His Saturn conjuncts my Sun, he has Saturn in Libra at 1 degree conjunct my Sun in Virgo at 28d. That synastry aspect coupled with him having Mars conjunct Uranus in Scorpio sesquisquare his Moon in Cancer will ultimately be our undoing. Excellent job pointing out the synastry aspect that is at the core of our issues.

It is eating up my personal energy....I have been researching for a few days now flower essences to help me with this situation and how I am feeling lately and right as you were typing your response I came across this flower essence and thought to myself this is perfect, exactly what I need:

This flower essence addresses a wide range of trauma experiences I feel but I could relate to the soul feeling weight down piece of the description:

"Dogwood embodies the polarity of gravity and levity, of what is heavy and dark, with what is light. Thus the healing gesture of the Dogwood is to bring upliftment and grace to someone who feels weighed down by gravity, by the hardness and density of life in the body. It is often indicated for people who have been abused, particularly if they have been beaten, and for those who are very awkward on their bodies and may be accident-prone. Such individuals have their life body (etheric body) compressed into their physical body. The Dogwood essence helps them to expand their life body, to give it flexibility so they can breath and flow gracefully in the world."

and...

"The Dogwood creates beautiful balance in your body. Abuse victims will often carry trauma with them in their physical and spiritual bodies, even long after the trauma has passed. Our body holds memory, and when filled with hardened aspects of past harsh emotions, the outer expression of an individual may become thwarted.

This is a beautiful essence for dancers and those who feel a need to release passion through the body."

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posted December 25, 2020 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will another flower essences in case it can help anyone:

Black Cohosh Flower Essence

Black Cohosh flower remedy is a powerful remedy for deep seated transformation. It allows one to detach from addiction, attachment, and abuse.

Healing Properties: Black Cohosh is a powerful cleanser of all impurities and is known as the 'great balancer,' used as a herbal remedy to heal and balance female disorders, assist with child labor, and is an essential remedy for menopause. It's flowering white beauty extends upward from its dark tangled underground root.

Black Cohosh remedy is a powerful remedy of transformation. Those in need of Black Cohosh will find they are ready to steer away from the fears and attachments that rule their life. This essence is an incredible aid for women and men who are ready to leave an abusive relation ship.

Black Cohosh with gnarly roots,
Offering flowers of tender white shoots,
Kali Ma reveals her sword,
Breaking the ties, cutting the cords,
All my demons are eternally free -
Black Cohosh, you transform me.

Latin: Cimicifuga racemosa

Color(s): White

Archetype: Kali, the Goddess of Destruction. Also known as Shakti, or Kali Ma, she is the embodiment of pure female energy for she is the deepest void or womb, where all is born, must die, and be born again. A fierce protector of the universe, her task is to strip away, cut back, and devour all obstructions and hindrances—hence, she is typically associated with the fearful imagery of transmutation, such as a sword held in one of her four arms, and snakes and skulls dangling from her body. She governs the mortal dimensions of human and planetary evolution.

Signature: A summer plant found in shady woods with gnarled and knotty roots which extend deep into the ground. Its pointed white flowers spike upward toward the light.

Healing: With this card, Kali Ma has come to serve you in the deepest possible manner. The Black Cohosh elixir is her tonic; for like her, it is born out of the dark places, revealing all that must be relinquished back to its unfathomable shadows. These healing forces come to your aid at a time of tremendous transformation. Addictive patterns, dysfunctional relationships, self-imposed suffering, and destructive habits of various kinds - all such afflictions are transformed by Black Cohosh.

Kali stands victorious amidst the rooted entanglements of despair. White flowers blossom around her, symbolizing the peace and tranquility that inevitably arise after her raging storm. A rainbow encircles Kali's sword, while her arms offer a kind blessing. Remember, out of your deepest, darkest fears, a new cycle of evolution beckons. Your path to enlightenment is secure; Mother Kali protects you along the way.

Side note: Interesting enough Transit Kaali is conjuncting my AC.

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posted December 28, 2020 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since Tr Moon entered Taurus he has been shifting back into his normal gear and been allright, less moody and more reasonable and we are good, he has AC in Taurus. As the intense influence of the solar eclipse activating my nodal return and moon fades I am feeling less sensitive too. Our communication has weirdly improved the last few days which is making me realize we need to work on that. Like we communicate about stuff but communication that requires checking in to avoid triggering the other ect we don't do much of that, my northnode in gemini with Mercury ruling my DC can learn to integrate that more into our relationship dynamics, all of a sudden we have been doing that the last few days for some reason and it feels different which made me realize how that is a small thing I can do more of that can help avoid a lot of conflict between us. He has to also realize stuff ofcourse but that is something under my control I can integrate more of and that feels very much like a norhtnode in gemini lesson in the context of the 7th house since Mercury rules my 7th.

The only thing I do feel clearly from my reflections this past week is that regardless of what I end up doing I should move forward and prepare us for the possibility of separating just in case but don't think it will come to that. I also feel that this is more about internal work I need to do on myself in terms of psychologically getting to a point that I truly feel at the core of me fully that is totally okay for me to walk away if that is what I truly want and not to stay for any other reason other than because I want to and feel content enough.

Regardless, this thread is an interesting topic to research for sure so appreciate the feedback from personal experiences anyone provides.

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