posted December 28, 2020 05:24 AM            

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How can someone change a square in the natal chart from Saturn?
I have one to my Venus.

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We know that - in all planetary cycles - the slower moving planet is shaping/"teaching" the faster moving planet. ... So here, Venus is learning to exercise caution/control when relating with others.

When transit Saturn squared your Venus from Aquarius, it was impelling you to consider the social implications of relating to others. ... So, before rejecting the neighbours proposal, what steps did you take to seek an alternative that was acceptable to both them and yourself?

posted December 28, 2020 05:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
We know that - in all planetary cycles - the slower moving planet is shaping/"teaching" the faster moving planet. ... So here, Venus is learning to exercise caution/control when relating with others.

When transit Saturn squared your Venus from Aquarius, it was impelling you to consider the social implications of relating to others. ... So, before rejecting the neighbours proposal, what steps did you take to seek an alternative that was acceptable to both them and yourself?

And ... to what extent did you listen [b]objectively to the criticism of your cousin, before allowing your subjective feeling (of stupidity) to stop you from hearing the Saturn message?[/B]

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posted December 28, 2020 09:08 AM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
What I understood from this was that I shouldnt have accepted in the first place all the things my neighbours did because when they went too far - moving at my windows to party there - they reacted that way. They are used to party outside during the summer and now they wanted to move their things at my window after they occupied lots of spaces in the building that every apartment has to give their approval to use them. And they didnt ask anyone for this. And with my cousin, that someone critisizing me doesnt mean he is right and unfortunately, sometimes they are your family.

I dont know how to understand this square. A clash. Two planets wanting different things. I would have wanted to talk free to people and to be safe in every interaction, but it is not. Some people are hurting other.

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My guess is that there is more involved here than just the activation by transit Saturn of your natal Saturn-Venus square.

Is the natal square aspecting anything else in your natal chart? And what are the natal signs + houses of Saturn and Venus?

posted December 28, 2020 09:30 AM            

Of course it is possible to overcome, because the aspect only represents a pattern carried in from a past life, which will continue until the lessons are learned to bring about balance.

With this aspect, the soft, heartfelt, gracious energy of Venus is in tension with Saturn's insistence on standards, improvement, and its anticipation of problems. What is happening is a pressure situation in which the Venusian values can graduate to something longer-term leading towards transcendence.

Vulnerability and fear generally are matters to be dealt with. With this aspect there is a factor in one's consciousness that (Venus) softness/vulnerability needs to be turned into strength/boundaries, but the challenge is in doing so while retaining the essential nature of Venus. The outer planet in any such aspect represents the direction of development. So that planet must in a sense have its way with the inner/personal planet, but that does not mean stealing its light or obscuring it completely. The main lessons Saturn can teach Venus relate to not over-indulging, and to be perpetually constructive in your relationships and in relation to beauty.

This aspect can seem to lead to loneliness and trouble letting others get close, but that is not its purpose, only its downfall. Generally, there is some kind of root issue with self-worth that needs to be mined and addressed. If that is done so that real insight is gained about yourself and what kind of platform of worthiness and strength you are operating from, then the root lessons can be learned and undesirable patterns ended.

If you must visualize what it can changed to, then think of it in terms of Venus trine Saturn and look for good examples of that, either during Saturn's transits trine (or sextile) your natal Venus or in others who have the aspect in their birth charts and exemplify it outwardly.

posted December 28, 2020 10:46 AM            

I am vulnerable in relationships and haven't learned how to se boundaries. I am learning to do this right now. Started about 1 year ago. My Mars is in the 12th house and I don't know how to be assertive, still I kinda improved this in my life. I used to not say anything at all when I was getting anything else than what I was asking for or not saying anything if the situation was unfair to me. I recently learned that we will always have persons that we won't like and they won't like us and that's ok, if we accept the differences between us.
And also that people will get upset when things won't get their way, even if they weren't right about it.

posted December 28, 2020 01:24 PM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
My Venus is in Taurus 10th house, but the only aspects it makes are this square to Saturn, but also with Jupiter.
Saturn is in Aquarius 7th house opposite Jupiter Leo 1st house. Still, I think my Moon in Taurus (different degree - 22 while Venus is at 1st degree) helps a lot with this - it makes easy aspects to Neptune, Chiron, nodal nodes, MC, AC, Juno. Chiron is in Cancer 1st house, conjuncting AC and South Node.

I am vulnerable in relationships and haven't learned how to se boundaries. I am learning to do this right now. Started about 1 year ago. My Mars is in the 12th house and I don't know how to be assertive, still I kinda improved this in my life. I used to not say anything at all when I was getting anything else than what I was asking for or not saying anything if the situation was unfair to me. I recently learned that we will always have persons that we won't like and they won't like us and that's ok, if we accept the differences between us.
And also that people will get upset when things won't get their way, even if they weren't right about it.

I will look into the Venus trine Saturn and maybe I'll see how this will work out. Anyway, I think is a really difficult aspect to overcome. It's pretty hard to find the balance.

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1. You have a natal Venus-Jupiter-Saturn Tsquare ... with apex Venus as the tension point, and the opposing tension release point in Scorpio 1? or Scorpio 2?

2. Lynda Hill's interpretation for the Sabian Symbol of that tension release point is ? ... http://sabiansymbols.com/symbol-lookup/

3. Mars in 12th house (of hidden psychological enemies) will be making a harmonic aspect to Venus. ... And that aspect/modification-of-Venus may or may not be something you need to consider.

posted December 29, 2020 06:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
mee_chryssa,

Of course it is possible to overcome, because the aspect only represents a pattern carried in from a past life, which will continue until the lessons are learned to bring about balance.

With this aspect, the soft, heartfelt, gracious energy of Venus is in tension with Saturn's insistence on standards, improvement, and its anticipation of problems. What is happening is a pressure situation in which the Venusian values can graduate to something longer-term leading towards transcendence.

Vulnerability and fear generally are matters to be dealt with. With this aspect there is a factor in one's consciousness that (Venus) softness/vulnerability needs to be turned into strength/boundaries, but the challenge is in doing so while retaining the essential nature of Venus. The outer planet in any such aspect represents the direction of development. So that planet must in a sense have its way with the inner/personal planet, but that does not mean stealing its light or obscuring it completely. The main lessons Saturn can teach Venus relate to not over-indulging, and to be perpetually constructive in your relationships and in relation to beauty.

This aspect can seem to lead to loneliness and trouble letting others get close, but that is not its purpose, only its downfall. Generally, there is some kind of root issue with self-worth that needs to be mined and addressed. If that is done so that real insight is gained about yourself and what kind of platform of worthiness and strength you are operating from, then the root lessons can be learned and undesirable patterns ended.

If you must visualize what it can changed to, then think of it in terms of Venus trine Saturn and look for good examples of that, either during Saturn's transits trine (or sextile) your natal Venus or in others who have the aspect in their birth charts and exemplify it outwardly.

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posted December 30, 2020 05:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
mee_chryssa,

Of course it is possible to overcome, because the aspect only represents a pattern carried in from a past life, which will continue until the lessons are learned to bring about balance.

With this aspect, the soft, heartfelt, gracious energy of Venus is in tension with Saturn's insistence on standards, improvement, and its anticipation of problems. What is happening is a pressure situation in which the Venusian values can graduate to something longer-term leading towards transcendence.

Vulnerability and fear generally are matters to be dealt with. With this aspect there is a factor in one's consciousness that (Venus) softness/vulnerability needs to be turned into strength/boundaries, but the challenge is in doing so while retaining the essential nature of Venus. The outer planet in any such aspect represents the direction of development. So that planet must in a sense have its way with the inner/personal planet, but that does not mean stealing its light or obscuring it completely. The main lessons Saturn can teach Venus relate to not over-indulging, and to be perpetually constructive in your relationships and in relation to beauty.

This aspect can seem to lead to loneliness and trouble letting others get close, but that is not its purpose, only its downfall. Generally, there is some kind of root issue with self-worth that needs to be mined and addressed. If that is done so that real insight is gained about yourself and what kind of platform of worthiness and strength you are operating from, then the root lessons can be learned and undesirable patterns ended.

If you must visualize what it can changed to, then think of it in terms of Venus trine Saturn and look for good examples of that, either during Saturn's transits trine (or sextile) your natal Venus or in others who have the aspect in their birth charts and exemplify it outwardly.

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posted December 30, 2020 08:26 AM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
Yes, I cried a bit while reading because I really feel like its a past life wound or born with it. I don't know if it's anything worse that the combination of Saturn to Venus in square. To the Moon I think it's similar.

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I totally feel you. Up until a year ago I was pretty certain that I was over my Saturn difficulties when it came to interacting with others, but when SN in Cap opposed my Venus earlier this year/ NN conjuncting my Venus, everything came back with full vengeance lol. Transit Saturn/Pluto conjunction was also opposite my Mars/Chiron conjunction, although I'm not sure which one caused it.

Thankfully I'm doing way better right now, I think it was necessary for me to 'actually' tackle it, not for it to just be shoved under the rugs. You know what I mean? It's not like acting that it doesn't exist anymore, but something deeper needs to be dealt with.

I have Saturn inconjuncting my Venus and trine my Moon. Just yesterday at a wedding I felt this gush taking me over again lol. Even after everything. My social anxiety lol I dunno how to deal with it 😂. I think it's just a matter of realizing that it's alright to feel anxious and you just have to take a breath sometimes.

Look at me giving advice 🤣

posted December 30, 2020 09:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
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I totally feel you. Up until a year ago I was pretty certain that I was over my Saturn difficulties when it came to interacting with others, but when SN in Cap opposed my Venus earlier this year/ NN conjuncting my Venus, everything came back with full vengeance lol. Transit Saturn/Pluto conjunction was also opposite my Mars/Chiron conjunction, although I'm not sure which one caused it.

Thankfully I'm doing way better right now, I think it was necessary for me to 'actually' tackle it, not for it to just be shoved under the rugs. You know what I mean? It's not like acting that it doesn't exist anymore, but something deeper needs to be dealt with.

I have Saturn inconjuncting my Venus and trine my Moon. Just yesterday at a wedding I felt this gush taking me over again lol. Even after everything. My social anxiety lol I dunno how to deal with it 😂. I think it's just a matter of realizing that it's alright to feel anxious and you just have to take a breath sometimes.

Look at me giving advice 🤣

At the end of it all, I'm pretty certain that if I'm doing better than I used to, I can probably still do even better. And I'm sure you too. Although it may not always seem that way.

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Yes, everything gets better if you deal with them, than hoping that they will turn good.

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posted December 30, 2020 12:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't agree with many astrologers who think everything can be overcome. I think we have to take struggles, own them and try to work aroung them the best we can. I am told we develop character from this. I guess we develop character when we go through hard things but I wish I didn't have to and I bet everyone does too.

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posted January 02, 2021 02:53 AM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
it is possible in a t-square with Moon opposite Venus/Uranus square Saturn that the Saturn is affected by the conflicting parts of Moon and Venus?

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Yes. ... Each natal planet is influenced by ALL of the planets which are aspecting it.

So ... a Tsquare of (say) Moon-in-Cancer/4th opposite Veunus/Uranus in Capricorn/10th with all 3 square Saturn in Aries/7th produces behaviour that is a blend of all of those astrological factors ... and the astrologer has to weight each of those factors, to determine what blend is most likely to manifest. [This reminds me of my 6 weeks work experience as a tea-blender* ... 2 crates of X + 1 crate of Y produces a very different cup of tea than does 2 crates of Y + 1 crate of X - and both taste different if made with hard rather than soft water.]

Moreover ... if (say) that Moon in Cancer/4th was also aspected by a 5th planet, it becomes a "modified moon" in the Tsquare (i.e.. not a pure Moon in Cancer/4th).

However ... synthesising astrological indicators in this way is an art rather than a science* ... and those to whom it comes easily/naturally are "a better astrology student than I am, Gunga Din".

posted January 02, 2021 09:57 AM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
Thanks, Graham! Normally we would say that Saturn is the one that needs to be reconsidered when is in hard aspects to Moon/Venus, but since Moon and Venus are afflicted in opposition and other hard aspects to other outer planets, the t-square that they form to Saturn, would mean that the person has to reconsider their Moon and Venus, because they are affecting Saturn.

Venus/Uranus in Scorpio, Taurus Moon.

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Strong Saturn (in its own sign of Aquarius) ... Debilitated Venus (in detrimental Scorpio) ... Exalted Moon (in Taurus) and Uranus (in Scorpio).

Exaltation debilitates Moon and Uranus here, because they have to always be "on best behaviour" ... whereas Saturn is 100% "at home"/able to do his own thing.