posted December 30, 2020 11:13 PM            

my ex was like that but i got her into the occult by suggesting she give it a try as an experiment, that always seems to open people's minds

that and teaching them third eye meditation, because even scientific minded people tend to be more open to that

i haven't personally dealt with anyone so rigid they wouldn't humor me and eventually change their minds towards more esoteric things but i have noticed that strong sag placements can actually be really ******* difficult when they think they're right

especially about that sort of thing

posted December 31, 2020 12:11 AM            

OP, I've come to a conclusion with the astrology people I encounter. It's like politics, gone are the Hippy days. We've Politicized Astrology it seems. There's Fixed (rigid) POVs and there's Mutable (flexible).

Some might be somewhere between. The scientific thinkers hold to the Fixed sides. Which btw may link to purse strings of higher power sources .. not mainstreet, therefore thst is the Walmart side of Astrology.
The next more like Mom N Pop stores, small- independent thinkers ..
Those (me included) are on the Artistic side of the wheel. btw I'm a true freethinker ♒♒♒ in my third Sun. Moon and Venus. Quasi stellium.
But I am so not Fixed in Astrology standpoints or anything occult is fixed with me either. I take in much learning, opinions and come to my own pov which after all what a Wise Soul would do, right?

posted December 31, 2020 01:31 AM            

And, within the astrological community :-

The greatest trick that Saturn pulls is to convince people to stay within its boundaries/limitations.

And the greatest trick that Pluto pulls is to convince people to let-go-of/stop-searching-for "the second right answer".

posted December 31, 2020 01:51 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I'm about equal in cardinal, mutable, and fixed. No, I'm not dissatisfied with science - I'm more of a believer than ever, actually. The one thing that has actually freaked me out this year, is how many people are happy to go off the deep end, just so long as something aligns with their personal beliefs. I saw an instagram account of a holistic doctor, a man who took an oath to heal, and one picture was of him holding a very big gun, as he spoke of a war between good and evil. http://www.instagram.com/p/CCOU3WkD09n/
Unfortunately, this isn't going to stop once the clock turns to January 1st, 2021. People talk about politics dividing us - this does it even more.

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Teasel, regards gtobthat doctor, do you think Pluto/Neptune could be at play.

posted December 31, 2020 01:56 AM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
@Graham, I agree.

Teasel, regards gtobthat doctor, do you think Pluto/Neptune could be at play.

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posted December 31, 2020 02:30 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I don't know. That's what freaks me out. He says he doesn't care what you believe, just as long as you make your own choices, but he's talking about good versus evil, and I wonder who he's planning to point that gun at. Or "at whom he's planning to point that gun" if that's grammatically correct.

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posted December 31, 2020 06:21 AM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
We are in a rather shady time tbh. I'm not even certain it can be blamed on Aqua. The sidreal is Capricorn. in Tarot that'sDevil energy. Very nefarious and duplicitous. Kinda a good description made by Graham re the Pluto and Saturn qualities. Idk .. we have to def listen to our inner knowing snd be cautious in this new world timeline.

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posted December 31, 2020 09:23 AM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
btw Happy NY Dumuzi! 💓

OP, I've come to a conclusion with the astrology people I encounter. It's like politics, gone are the Hippy days. We've Politicized Astrology it seems. There's Fixed (rigid) POVs and there's Mutable (flexible).

Some might be somewhere between. The scientific thinkers hold to the Fixed sides. Which btw may link to purse strings of higher power sources .. not mainstreet, therefore thst is the Walmart side of Astrology.
The next more like Mom N Pop stores, small- independent thinkers ..
Those (me included) are on the Artistic side of the wheel. btw I'm a true freethinker ♒♒♒ in my third Sun. Moon and Venus. Quasi stellium.
But I am [b]so not Fixed in Astrology standpoints or anything occult is fixed with me either. I take in much learning, opinions and come to my own pov which after all what a Wise Soul would do, right?

The forced POVs of those who are so rigid, can lose my interest easily.I find many areas to show their truth, yet rarely if ever find anyone like-minded in these other areas. Our Star Studying community needs more open minds to explore more than what is considered THE RIGHT WAY .. or it will sadly become like a Dem/Rep ruled (poli)science- trashing the art of it altogether. [/B]

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posted December 31, 2020 12:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
are you referring to the sort of person who claims to be scientific but then never actually experiments with esoteric **** before declaring it wrong simply because it isn't scientific?

my ex was like that but i got her into the occult by suggesting she give it a try as an experiment, that always seems to open people's minds

that and teaching them third eye meditation, because even scientific minded people tend to be more open to that

i haven't personally dealt with anyone so rigid they wouldn't humor me and eventually change their minds towards more esoteric things but i have noticed that strong sag placements can actually be really ******* difficult when they think they're right

especially about that sort of thing

they tend to be the ridicule things loudly type and they tend to say things in a very closed off sort of way where you can't really have much room to actually discuss things with them

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posted December 31, 2020 06:11 PM            

We each have to come to our own perspective, and not worry about what others think.

It can be a real challenge to keep an open mind and an open heart.

So much of what is put forth as science by its official institutions is very flawed, by human careerist egos, desire for status and profit, and by outright thievery.

Philosophy is riddled with the nihilism of big thinkers who may've had intellectual prowess and some insights, but never took the time to examine themselves.

I'm not resting any of my life perspective on either one of them.

posted December 31, 2020 09:30 PM            

Come to find out, that was a lot. Come to find out, virtually every big and well accepted paradigm in science has major holes.

Yet, via corporate media, we are often given an image that science is very homogeneous and more or less most agree on most things. This is the science that I detest, just as I do not particularly like mainstream, Sign based astrology, though it is good for memes and jokes I suppose.

posted January 01, 2021 06:40 AM            

Hence these types, often folks with very strong to predominant Saturns, Mercury, and/or to a lesser extent Mars, go with the belief systems that are SAFE. It's the easy play to go with an approach and belief system that is well accepted and the nearly dominant one--for though there are allegedly a lot of "religious" people--most of these are not truly religious but if they were raised a certain way, they may identify in label with it.

Anyways, the above is somewhat understandable in some ways. It takes courage to go against the crowd and tides of that which most surrounds you whether actually locally or in corporate media and entertainment. However, there does seem to be a general awakening going on. More and more people are starting to drift to the side of "well maybe materialist science doesn't have all the answers?"

I've been involved with the new age scene for almost 30 years now. When I first started out, there were few men percentage wise involved. That has seemed to gone up some since those first days. I remember often being either being the only or one of the relative few males in a class, group or the like. (Main exception being The Monroe Institute's Gateway Voyage program, which was almost half and half of a 22 group).

posted January 01, 2021 02:50 PM            

But since you brought it up, Bill Gates is not a "humanitarian". He is on record for stating that his funding of vaccines was a good "investment" and that he expects to see a 22 to 1 return for the about a billion that he/his foundation has spent.

In 1999 he was convicted of breaking Federal anti trust laws because of his and Microsofts ruthless business practices. Essentially he was trying to create a monopoly. Driven by greed and power lust.

And for the record, the fact of the matter is that Gates approached MIT and asked them if there was a way to attach a record of a person's vaccine history in a physical and permanent way. They came up with not a "micro chip", but dissolvable micro needles that get injected along with a vaccine and that creates quantum dots that sit right below the skin and can be scanned. Basically it's like a barcode.

posted January 08, 2021 01:14 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
To briefly add. I've found that at the heart of people who make "science" and "rational thought" their god and savior is a lot of unconscious fear. Basically fear of the unknown and the possibility of being the dreaded (to the ego) WRONG. These types hate to be perceived as wrong by others. They are often more careful and self conscious to not be..

Hence these types, often folks with very strong to predominant Saturns, Mercury, and/or to a lesser extent Mars, go with the belief systems that are SAFE. It's the easy play to go with an approach and belief system that is well accepted and the nearly dominant one--for though there are allegedly a lot of "religious" people--most of these are not truly religious but if they were raised a certain way, they may identify in label with it.

Anyways, the above is somewhat understandable in some ways. It takes courage to go against the crowd and tides of that which most surrounds you whether actually locally or in corporate media and entertainment. However, there does seem to be a general awakening going on. More and more people are starting to drift to the side of "well maybe materialist science doesn't have all the answers?"

I've been involved with the new age scene for almost 30 years now. When I first started out, there were few men percentage wise involved. That has seemed to gone up some since those first days. I remember often being either being the only or one of the relative few males in a class, group or the like. (Main exception being The Monroe Institute's Gateway Voyage program, which was almost half and half of a 22 group).

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posted January 09, 2021 05:21 PM            

If one accepts Edgar Cayce guidance's version of Saturn--it is very much aligned with a Satan like meaning and symbol. For in the original Hebrew, Satan simply meant spiritual adversary and tempter. There is the "infamous" talk between Yeshua and "Peter", when Peter out of concern for his friend and teacher, tells him and the group that he will fight the authorities and not allow Yeshua to be taken, and Yeshua says, "Get behind me Satan".

Basically he was saying that Peter was being too much of a materialist and not realizing the spiritual necessity of the coming events, and was thinking too much like a narrowed minded, flesh focused, ego centered human, rather than viewing things from the perspective of Spirit.

And indeed, if one combs through all the Cayce readings with references to strong/highlighted Saturn, one sees a pattern of similar forming, wherein Saturn represents these spiritually weak and overly materialist attunements i.e. what we often call things like ego, greed, selfishness, putting self over others, etc. Not always, but a good percentage of the time.

Now, before my fellow Crappacorns (I have Sun and Mercury in and Cap is particularly strong since Sun rules my ASC and Mercury rules 4 Virgo placements, including the ruler of the Sun and Mercury Sign--Saturn), and also Acraziuses (whom I tend to adore) get all butt hurt by this talk of the dark side of Saturn--I should emphasize that Planets and Signs are different things, different symbols, and while there is a loose connection--there are often definite differences. Meaning though a lot of people seem to think that Saturn especially = Capricorn or vice versa, that's just not true in the strict and literal sense.

If one was doing a mathematical equation using symbols to stand in for values or principles, then Saturn and Capricorn would have to have different symbols (and I happen to think that Capricorn is likely co-ruled by extremist, intuitive Uranus).

In the Cayce work, Signs represent more wavering personality and outer life indications and symbolism, whereas the Planets represent actual nonphysical dimensions/consciousness levels we exist in both when not connected to the body (either through death of same or during sleep, meditation, etc).

All in all, Saturn is very connected to FEAR--that attunement which is like oil to the water (and Fire) of Spirit and Love (and note, Fire burns up oil). In many ways, Saturn vs Jupiter and/or the Sun are opposites. Whereas Jupiter and the Sun represent Spirit, Higher mind, Expanded self, Universal Love, etc, Saturn is the dense physical/material, which is a slow vibratory shadow reflection of that original, Source Consciousness which we were all birthed from and originally existed in until we used our freewill to cover that over.