posted January 03, 2021 05:19 PM            

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posted January 03, 2021 08:19 PM            

When the Soul connects to the body, it influences the body, but the body ALSO influences the Soul in various different ways. It's a two way street of mutual influencing and intercommunication.

The ASC SIGN represents the body and it's temperament/personality--without the Soul factor. For example, I have Leo Rising. My Soul is far better described by a combination of Jupiter (one of the strongest Planets in this chart), and to a lesser extent Capricorn--my strongest Sign. In other words, my body is fairly Yang, has a tendency to temper, passion, innately strong sex drive, has intense emotions (the fire of the heart), etc, however, my Soul is more Yin attuned, quieter, more retiring, more reflective, deep thinking, etc etc. In other words, my Soul and this body are quite different for the most part, though there is an intensity of a kind to Jupiter and Capricorn on a feeling level (different from each other and from the Leonine though).

My Soul chose to be born in this body for a reason though. I needed some of those Leonine characteristics for this life, and they also present challenges to overcome. But basically, I needed some "Fire" to balance all this strong "past" [represented by a combo of South Node, IC/4th House, and Moon] Water and strong present Earth energy.

That's the Sign on the ASC. The ASC point itself represents something else entirely. It is the literal meeting point between the Heavens and the horizon of the Earth. Note how when the Moon is near the Horizon, it appears to us as much larger?

The ASC point is like a giant magnifying lens/amplifier for Planetary energies. Planetary energies connect to your Soul more directly than Sign energies, though the Sun Sign connects some to both the Soul and Expanded self level of us.

Often times (but certainly not always), the Planet closest to the ASC (if there is one relatively near it--especially if in the 1st House or in the 12th conjunct the ASC), represents the nonphysical dimension we came to the Earth from. This has an intense and tremendous influence on us throughout our lives--this last dimensional consciousness we experienced before phasing to this 3rd dimension.

It is why there are more commonalities between a Venusian and other Venusians, a Martian and other Martians, a Mercurian and other Mercurians, vs say people even with the same Sun Signs. For example, I often relate more to fellow Jupitarians and Solarians than I do most fellow Capricorn Suns.

Anyways, this level of the the ASC, the Planetary level, is very deep and very influential. Much more than the Sign part of it, which again, symbolically represents the kind of body one incarnated into. (Btw, if there is no Planet near the ASC point, but there is one relatively near the MC--then this is often the Planet that symbolizes the nonphysical dimension we came to the earth from, or otherwise, the strongest/most highlighted Planet is).

posted January 03, 2021 08:37 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Over time, the Soul "writes itself" more and more into the body, and can, eventually start to over write the body in some cases. This is why sometimes you'll notice that people earlier in their life tend to be better described by their ASC and/or Moon Signs, but as they grow/mature, they become more attuned to their strongest Planets and/or Sun Sign.

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posted January 03, 2021 09:51 PM            

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I guess that's the reason why I related to the description and the comments on some threads here regarding Pisces ASC. Sun is my dominant planet in my chart. And Sun is in exact conjunction to MC. So I think it makes sense.

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posted January 04, 2021 12:03 AM            

But you are relatively young, and I suspect this won't come till some years later.

And if the rest of the chart supports it, and again the spiritual and physical birth times were close, then this indicates that your Soul has the very real probability to graduate out of this system of energies and move into more expanded systems of energies.

The Sun is the fastest vibratory/most expanded symbol in our little system. Cayce's guidance referred to it as "the infinity forces". Or, in another reading speaking symbolically, the guidance rhetorically asked, with the circle and the dot in the same [the sun], do you have Love? For that is what the Sun represents, Spirit and Love at its highest in this system. It represents the very Creative, Source force and Consciousness, though a stepped down version of same.

posted January 04, 2021 05:26 PM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
I read online that the spiritual time can be to 1 hour and 40 minutes before birth time. I don't know if there's a way of knowing or intuiting the spiritual birth time. Maybe through the circumstances during birth, like if the mother had an induced birth or cesarean. Mine was induced because I didn't want to come out so the doctors forced the birth.

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It can be even longer than that, and both ways, before or after.

As to figuring it out, the looks, personality, synastric connections, major life events to transits and progressions are the main ways. There is also psychism/intuitive and spiritual guidance. For example, I knew my spouse's Soul actually completed the connections to her body before her body's physical birth time, because I knew she had a Capricorn Rising and not Aquarius.

Many years later she had a guidance dream wherein she became aware of what her true birth time was, and it was even a bit earlier than I had estimated though in Capricorn. I had thought it was around 27* Cap and the time mentioned in her dream gave around 23* Cap.

Unlike some, I don't believe that we can only use the life events level/part because I've noticed that this is SUBJECTIVE as well. Rather, I apply a very holistic application of all the above. If one or more of these doesn't fit, chances are, then you don't have it right. It ALL has to fit simultaneously, especially looks/physicality, synastry, and life events because these are less subjective and less easy or apt to change than personality/temperament.

Course, the degree of data processing involved is tremendous. Its not easy to do much of the time, but sometimes you get clues or patterns that make at least the general Rising Sign fairly obvious.

For example, Edgar Cayce's own readings for himself note his own tendency towards strong focus on affairs of the heart and of sex (i.e. romance), as well as his strong extremist tendencies. Then considering his unusual looks (taller than average for his times etc) and psychic ability, considering his known twin soul, Gladys Davis was an Aquarius Sun, that his wife Gertrude was a very early Pisces Sun strongly cusping Aquarius etc, then it becomes pretty obvious that he had late Leo Rising conjunct Leo Uranus.

And then just the pattern that Leo Risings are destined to stand out in some way, whether positively or negatively it will depend and be different from person to person, but one thing that is almost always true--these are often hard to ignore because they strongly stand out from the crowd/mass consciousness in some way or manner. And he and his life certainly did follow that.

As to percentage of people that have at least the same Rising Sign as their physical birth time gives--I should have been keeping track of this all along and figuring out some average statistics. But I haven't. Just thinking of the people closest to me, I would hazard to guess that around 75% to 85% of these have the same Rising Sign at least that the physical birth time gives (meaning the spiritual and physical birth times weren't that far apart). My two brothers do, my mom did, my grandparents do, a percentage of closest friends do minus one that comes to mind (physical birth time gives Scorpio and it seems clear that it's probably Sag), my other twin soul does (not my partner), one of my housemates/tenants does, but this isn't really large enough of a data set to generalize or extrapolate from.

posted January 05, 2021 05:59 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
It can be even longer than that, and both ways, before or after.

As to figuring it out, the looks, personality, synastric connections, major life events to transits and progressions are the main ways.

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