posted January 03, 2021 11:35 PM            

Most of the time I will be physically tired but not mentally tired and that keeps me going, sometimes I can push to being up for 24hrs.

Very rarely do I ever get physically tired and mentally tired at the same time.

posted January 03, 2021 11:52 PM            

The first type is the more common, and it's those who are near or in the ASPD spectrum (near would be narcissists of varying degrees except for the "soft" and mildest ones). These usually have predominant and/or very strong Saturns, Mars, Pluto's, and/or Mercurys (Mercury by itself isn't so bad, but when one or more of the other are also very strong and there is a lack of Venus, Neptune, Jupiter, and/or Sun it can lead to issues).

And as just mentioned, often times it has to be in combo with a lack of focus/strength of Venus, Neptune, Jupiter, and/or Sun. Then if the Personal Signs are strongest at the same time, it kind of helps to "seal the deal" of the tendencies to an over selfishness and lack of felt empathy and conscience.

As to why? These are so focused in their physical energies and the first 3 Centers/glands that they may as well be more animals than humans in a lot of ways. Sleep is the Soul's time to focus strongly in the nonphysical, nonphysically communicate with others, serve/help others, rejuevenate the body, etc. But if everything that you are is focused on the physical and you are powerfully resonant with same, you don't need that time to recharge like the average Soul does.

The other type of person is far opposite on the spectrum and is even more rare than the above. These are the really old Souls whose bodies are fairly balanced and intune with their Soul and Spirit levels of self. These usually have Neptune, Jupiter, Sun, and/or Arcturus as their strongest indications. Strong Pluto can contribute positively if one or more of these these are the strongest. Generally there is also often a lot of energetic work and/or service to others going on at the same time i.e. a lot of meditation, fasting, prayer, meaningful service to others, etc type activities. These raise the vibratory patterns of the body and help balance it.

A more vegetarian, vegan, and/or raw food diet also helps with this, as does intermittent fasting. These types (rather old souls) will naturally tend to be attracted to eating very little or no meat or not contributing to animal suffering in other ways as well.

As to why? They are so consciously aware of the nonphysical and the more expanded, fast vibratory levels, and they recharge some while conscious, that they need less sleep time to do same.

My body is still somewhat imbalanced in some ways, and so I still need at least 7 hrs of sleep to function well. That, and I'm pretty bad at being consistent in my meditation practice. However, when I did a 10 day fast plus daily meditation, towards the end of that, I didn't need much sleep. I actually had more energy than usual.

It is possible to get the body so fast vibratory, so balanced, so intune with the Soul and Spirit levels that the body can come to need little to no sleep, little to no food, etc. However, that is the process of co-creating the Light form body, and people very close to this, that have this as a probability of actualization, are quite rare. I'm not sure a full conversion is possible without the body dying. The guidance I've gotten so far, indicates that in this collective slow'ish vibratory cycle, for the full convsersion to happen, the body needs to die and then the Soul can either complete the process from the nonphysical or co-create a body image based on the previous body.

Everything is really just information and data flow. We ascribe various different terms and distinctions like physical/matter, Soul, Spirit, this or that dimension, etc, etc, and while these are helpful for understanding the differences in vibratory rates/levels, ultimately it's all just information of consciousness, and all is One.

For the fully/truly awakened one, the veil between all these becomes rent and the Oneness of it all becomes unveiled (these are the full clear/white Light types). To these types, miracles are not miracles, but just natural law of consciousness having full knowledge and control of itself. Manifesting physical objects, seemingly defying gravity, etc, etc is nothing more than thinking a thought/setting an intention.

posted January 04, 2021 01:12 AM            

every so often i crash and then sleep a ton but typically im only getting a few hours of sleep a night and have since i was a kid (as long as i can remember, my inability to sleep got me into a lot of trouble as a kid because my parents would freak out about it and were abusive)

it's funny that GCE mentioned intermittent fasting and not eating meat because i dont eat meat and i tend to fast (i just can't eat early for some reason always ****** my stomach)

not sure what does it in chart though

i sometimes run on 1-2 hours but usually more like 4 or if i get more than that it's like 3 hours in the middle of the day and then a couple hours before sunrise

oddly enough exercising frequently will give me more energy while simultaneously coming with less sleep

i can get really tired but me and sleep just have always had a weird relationship, i've found that meditation and trance like states are helpful though when i'm tired they fulfill the same requirement sleep does

posted January 04, 2021 02:48 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
There are two main types of people who can do this, and interestingly, they are on very opposite ends of the spectrum and both types are somewhat rare (especially the latter).

The first type is the more common, and it's those who are near or in the ASPD spectrum (near would be narcissists of varying degrees except for the "soft" and mildest ones). These usually have predominant and/or very strong Saturns, Mars, Pluto's, and/or Mercurys (Mercury by itself isn't so bad, but when one or more of the other are also very strong and there is a lack of Venus, Neptune, Jupiter, and/or Sun it can lead to issues).

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For the most part my mercury is good.

My Mercury conjuncts my Sun, trines my Jupiter...the only negative is my mercury opposite my neptune.

I mainly get carried away into projects or study which takes me late into the night thats what keeps my mind active.

Before the start of the winter season I worked late into the night sanding out the rust out of my car and filled it in with putty.

Then repainted it with touch up spray cans, I actually got better at blending the old paint and new paint..glad I learned a new skill!!!.

On another occation I put down real hardwood flooring for an older friend of mind after a contractor riped them off.

I had assigned a weekend to finish the job so that required me to work late into the night.

I didn't feel tired and my mind was alert as I was motivated to help them out and do the right thing.

posted January 04, 2021 03:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:

so on nights where i know sleep wont come but i have things to do i force myself to meditate

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Tom Campbell writes in his book, My Big TOE {TOE is an acronym for theory of everything}, that when he was going to college, working, and simultaneously volunteering and helping Bob Monroe out in his experiments, he was getting so little sleep, but because he was meditating and experiencing so many different altered states of consciousness so much, that he was able to get by with the lack of sleep.

When I was taking the Gateway Voyage program at The Monroe Institute, they took away our phones, watches, etc and had no clocks, so we never knew what time it was for the 6 days. However, it was clear that they woke us up rather early in the morning for the first "sound experience" (+ meditation).

Anyways, one night I ended up staying up really late talking to a fellow group particpant. I was like, "oh man, this is going to hurt in the morning.." Sure enough, when I heard the trainer's voice through the speakers in the CHEC units/bed, I was like, dang, maybe I should go back to sleep and miss the first one...

But decided to stay up and meditate. Before we went into the meditation, we did some toning (what some call chanting). Up until that point, I had never really thought much about toning/chanting, other than being somewhat skeptical of it, my reasoning was, "how can making sounds in your throat do anything?"

But I also practice open minded skepticism, and so I'm willing to give many things a try (unless it's unethical or hurtful in relation to others). Anyways, after a few minutes or so of toning, my body started to get REALLY, really hot. Never had experienced anything like this before. It was the latish Summer and quite warm and humid out, but they kept the AC blasting and while I run warm normally, I had to sleep with a sheet and a light blanket, which I had on at the time. Kicked those off and was still feeling very hot.

Then went into the long meditation (no idea how exactly long, but hazard to guess it was anywhere from a half hour to hour). Well dang, if I didn't come out of that meditation feeling like I had gotten 9 hours of perfect, deep sleep, after previously having been exhausted and super sleepy.

During our week there, I also ate a bit different than I used to at the time. I ate A LOT of salad and some fruits (not in the same meal, as I practice avoiding certain combos of different types of foods), and a little bit of seeds and nuts. But pretty much all I ate those 6 days. I came out of that program feeling like a feather, like I was at a completely different rate of vibration. Coming back to home, traffic, noise, etc felt nearly excruciating as I was so tuned in and sensitized. When we weren't meditating in our CHEC units/beds, doing group work, etc I was out in nature communing with the trees, lake, the giant crystal on the property, etc.

I went full blown hippy dippy everything's love and peace dude. Full blown, flowers in the hair and everything. Surprised I didn't start walking around nekked the whole time (that would have been frowned on methinks).

(This is kind of the future of earth and humans after the collapse happens).

posted January 04, 2021 04:12 AM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
For the most part my mercury is good.

My Mercury conjuncts my Sun, trines my Jupiter...the only negative is my mercury opposite my neptune.

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My Mercury Namastes your Mercury..AhhOmmmmm

alpacaLamaLamaLama RaTaMeNoDramaDramaDrama (I think this shall be my new name..)

More seriously, I wasn't so much talking about the condition of a person's Mercury, but saying that if a person's strongest set of Planets is Saturn, Mars, Pluto, and/or Mercury (EC's guidance indicated these were the rather self centered symbols), with a lack of focus on Venus, Neptune, Jupiter, and/or Sun, then this inclines a person towards a more narcissistic spectrum. Especially so when the Personal Signs are likewise strongest.

DT's chart for example, is an excellent example of the patterns and signatures of deep narcissism (in his case, it has devolved to malignant narcissism). Too much Mars, too much Saturn, too much Uranus (often acts more as a malefic unless counter balanced by Venus, Neptune, Jupiter, and/or Sun), (not as important as the Planetary pattern, but a factor) too much Personal Signs, and too little of the fast vibratory Planetary symbols and (not as important as the Planetary pattern, but a factor) too little of the Universal Signs. His chart fairly screams in repeating patterns, young/immature Soul, left and right, if one knows how to read it well and holistically.

If he had been born a primary Saturnian rather than a primary Martian, he likely would have been more of a sociopath or psychopath.

posted January 04, 2021 09:53 AM            

i didn't know what it was called or anything, it was just a way to rest and i wasn't allowed out of bed (getting out of bed would mean getting yelled at or hit and brought back to bed) or be caught awake

so it just was this accidental discovery that became a nightly engagement out of necessity

sleep was also hard to come by in that particular place for other reasons, but that's for another story another day, and something i've experienced in similar (but specific experiences are unique to individual location) ways elsewhere

so it was just this necessity born out of trying to avoid being hit, being tired (because being tired on a school day for example would be problematic and lead to more screaming and hitting etc), sleep paralysis, bad dreams and so on

sounds like an interesting program, i've never done anything like that before

though a week long blackout during a really bad blizzard taught me the joys of not having anything like that around for a bit, body resets to nature in a lot of ways

i gave a buddhist chant a try once did notice something but it's not something i've ever kept up on, though you mentioning it makes me wonder if i should try again (for reasons)

but anyway yeah a brief meditation can easily replace hours of rest easily

hate salads, a lot of people look at me like i'm crazy when i say that like "but you dont eat meat how do you hate salad?" but just nope

posted January 04, 2021 02:52 PM            

This comes closest to being a Universally helpful/constructive set, because it goes through each center/gland successively, thus it retains balance and harmony. Otherwise, we all vibrate at different rates (and that changes some here and there over time) and some chants might be helpful for one, and not so much another, and vice versa.

posted January 05, 2021 01:53 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
If you decide to give toning a try again, an interesting combo I've found out is to start off with a bass Ahhh raising the pitch slightly to Arrrrr, continue to raise the pitch slightly (this will be the case for each successive tone) to Eeeeeeeee, Ehhhhhhhh, Ohhhhhhh, Youuuuuu, and highest pitch at Mmmmmmm.

This comes closest to being a Universally helpful/constructive set, because it goes through each center/gland successively, thus it retains balance and harmony. Otherwise, we all vibrate at different rates (and that changes some here and there over time) and some chants might be helpful for one, and not so much another, and vice versa.

Btw, interesting life path and experience with all this. A good way to almost force one to focus on such practice. Sometimes it feels like we, the Soul portion of our Expanded self, are naught but puppets of same.. and yet, it's all done with Love and the desire for growth, remembrance, and balance. And ultimately, even as the Soul portion, we are our Expanded self as well. The more conscious we become of that connection, the more we can become conscious co-creators with that level of ourselves, rather than feeling like a rudderless boat on a fickle sea.

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interesting, will give it a go though notes would be helpful there to some degree having an exact idea of tone/pitch though 🤷‍♀️ whatever feels right may work

i've been very much forced into all of this in a lot of external ways since i was a kid, aside from just being naturally sensitive

me even learning astrology came from a set of events that were just sort of insane

had a bunch of pcp laced weed (admittedly wasnt the first or last time) years ago on my 22nd birthday ended up blacking out after a weird low buzz in the background of a song set me off into a clockwork orange style meltdown, then a lot of deja vu followed by a black out

one minute i was losing my **** about my ex changing back into her dress while i was standing outside smoking a cigarette (she had been wearing a dress, then changed into a bathing suit in front of me, then while i was out smoking trying to get my head together with the whole deja vu thing... which obviously coming back in to her wearing something i remembered her changing out of wasnt helpful for) and the next everything just kind of went black

snapped out of it and it was like waking up from a dream but only my mind had been elsewhere because i was in the middle of having sex with zero idea of how i even got there

finished because i was already in it, and then afterwards just kind of freaked out because i still was having a bad high, had never blacked out before, and was not in a good headspace

decided to write to calm myself down, started autowriting for the first time ever

lot of **** that seemed crazy, threw it all away (after that point a good deal of autowriting that happened past that did end up being true) years later stuff i wrote ended up happening

met someone i described, she did a ritual i wrote about, told me things i wrote she would say etc which ended up setting off a chain reaction, and her teaching me some stuff that led to more digging etc and so on (there's a lot to say about those experiences and what i connected with during that time)

after **** with her went to hell (we ended up dating for a bit, threeway dating my ex was involved) i ended up getting lyme disease which brought about other health issues some of which i currently am still dealing with (other things have gone away completely)

had points where i was practically bedbound where again lot of forced meditation and **** trying to stay sane manage pain etc

learned a lot of **** in that time just out of necessity, following dream cues and **** that came up in meditation signs etc

brought me to here, and now 🤷‍♀️ no idea where i'm going but not a huge fan of the ride tbh

i've been through a lot of really bad **** , things i discuss here are sort of tip of the iceberg but yeah hell of a path can't say i recommend it

not fully surprised it's the one i got, but a more pleasant one wouldve been nice

i get that it's all to get to where i need to be and **** but it's a lot and it's draining too

i feel like before life started i must've raised my hand and volunteered to run across no man's land or some **** 🤣

it's all been fitting in many ways though given the deity that initially presented themselves to me when the path that led me to here (typing this to you, learning what i know etc) opened up, but it's gotten to a point where ive been feeling pretty rubbed raw and am tired

keep getting bombarded with all kinds of good signs for the future (i mean that'll still have its own set of difficulties but life purpose past trial by fire) and i'm aware i'm supposed to feel rubbed raw and tired but i'd be lying if i said i was feeling particularly enthusiastic about the process

posted January 05, 2021 05:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
interesting, will give it a go though notes would be helpful there to some degree having an exact idea of tone/pitch though 🤷‍♀️ whatever feels right may work

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posted January 06, 2021 05:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Chanterelle:
A GCE-approved link — I’ve tried a few of these free guided meditations from the Monroe Institute. the one called ‘Heal and Balance’ has a nice sort of chorus of voices that’s easy to chime in with whatever feels right. http://www.monroeinstitute.org/blogs/free-meditations?page=2
If other people’s voices ain’t your thing, this site gives plain old frequencies. Anecdotal evidence: I studied Tibetan Buddhism when I was younger, and we did a lot of chanting AUM AH HUM. That’s one of the few bits I’ve hung onto over the years. When I came across this site with the chakra frequencies, I noticed that I’ve been using them all along: 150, 138, and 156 hZ. http://www.chakrakey.com/chakra-frequencies-and-correlations-2/

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posted January 06, 2021 05:44 PM            

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Originally posted by SunAscendant:
I have Adderall

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i had adderall once while i was working in a restaurant

one of the waitresses used to give me pills sometimes when we were on the same shift

all it did was make it so i didnt have any songs stuck in my head and i didnt mind how bored i was

no energy or anything though literally just only one thing on my mind at a time and ok with being bored at work, nothing else