posted January 16, 2021 06:04 AM            

The closest I’ve come to hardcore criminals was a few years ago, on my criminal law field trip to a jail and literally everyone I met that day (unfortunately I don’t have their birthdays).. but they were all pretty down on themselves and trying their best to get a remission on good behaviour....

I have yet to meet a real life Danny Ocean...

posted January 16, 2021 09:50 AM            

He apperantly taught Probablity at the University level and he used probablity to succesfully rob 50 banks.

It took 30yrs to catch the guy and it was by accident when someone stumbled on his hideway caches.

At his trial one of the female tellers who was present during one of his robberies broke down, after witnessing how traumatized she was and how she could never work in a bank again he changed his plea to guilty.

His robberies were sudden, rapid and swift and under 5min.

The one statistic that I agree with him on is Fridays aprox 1hr before closing time is the least busiest..so if you need to pay your bills thats the best time to go, something everyone should know.

posted January 16, 2021 01:27 PM            

(J/K!).

More seriously, you can only ever see potential tendencies and proclivities. People have free/spiritual will. Can change from patterns in the chart.

Generally a very strong focus on the slower vibratory Planets (Saturn, Mars, Moon, Mercury, and/or sometimes Pluto) that correspond to the first 3 Centers/glands, with a lack of focus on mid and fast vibratory Planets can incline to it in a general way as there tends to be less empathy, less conscientiousness, less ethics, but with more focus on self, materialism, etc.

A stressed, but not predominant Neptune can often be part of the overall pattern, as this often indicates a person who is more ok with lying, deception, etc more than the norm. Pluto seems to have some correspondences with the underground criminal scene in general--especially organized forms of same; think mafia, Epstein island or human trafficking in general, government corruption, etc.

(Whereas Saturn relates a lot to the individual shadow, Pluto is like a more collective version. Interestingly Pluto can simultaneously correspond to the "whistle blowers" and other investigators into corruption that expose such things).

posted January 17, 2021 05:57 PM            

Most of the ancients did not seem to have this focus. They knew there was some loose connections, but they didn't treat them as the same thing/symbols like so many do today.

I don't know how many times I've seen people say things like Mars, Aries, and 1st House = the same basic thing for example. Not at all. This is a extreme over simplification of the connections that do exist.

I wouldn't worry about your Capricorn North Node. Capricorn, unlike Saturn the Planet, can actually represent faster vibratory/more evolved/mature indications if the rest of the chart support it. After all, Capricorn is the last Cardinal Sign, the last Earth Sign, a Universal Sign and the 10th Sign. It's been through a lot of stages and as a personality level/symbol, can represent the wise person who is climbing the mountain towards Christ Consciousness and service to the whole. Again though, only if the rest of the chart and especially Planetary energies support i.e. the mid to faster vibratory Planets i.e. Venus, Uranus, Neptune, Jupiter, and/or Sun are very highlighted.

Also, I very much believe that Capricorn is likely co-ruled by extremist, intuitive Uranus. Capricorn and Aquarius are the only Sign pair that share a common traditional ruler that are right next to each other. They have a unique relationship placement out of the entire Zodiac in that way. I think that signifies that they also share a modern ruler as well. But the balance/proportion is different. Whereas Capricorn would be Saturn and then Uranus, Aquarius would be Uranus and then Saturn.

In all the old and ancient symbolism, Capricorn is often strongly associated with Water in various ways. Water represents the spiritual, the nonphysical, the more Yin side/expression of Spirit, etc. Also in psychological terms, the unconscious/subconscious and Soul mind.

Saturn is purely focused on the material and while reserved often, is fairly Yang attuned. Whereas Uranus is strongly focused on the nonphysical and "heavens". Uranus is rather intuitve as well. To be intuitive, you have to have a certain amount of Yin attunement, and both Uranus and Capricorn have that Yin attunement.

posted January 17, 2021 06:18 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
It's not a popular observation, but I have noticed a trend/pattern, when the charts are accurate and/or adjusted for accuracy, in Saturn (the planet, not the Signs of Capricorn or Aquarius) being most often the predominant Planet in serial killers' charts and/or other, more regular psychopaths. This corresponds with the Cayce readings which indicate Saturn represents the slowest vibratory, most hellish level of the afterlife, to which if a Soul "goes" (vibrates to) there, it runs the risk of unconsciously destroying itself through a sort of consciousness entropy.

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posted January 17, 2021 07:24 PM            

There are people in the ASPD spectrum that have a sort of intellectual code of ethics/morality, like this guy:
http://youtu.be/bdPMUX8_8Ms

These would be on the lower end of the spectrum.

posted January 17, 2021 10:17 PM            

Mobsters are violent, and career criminals. You could look them up, and see if they have anything in common. In England, we had the Kray twins. One of my mother’s cousins was one of their best friends. I don’t know if he was involved in anything they did, they met through boxing when they were kids.

It looks like Bonnie and Clyde were a Libra and an Aries.

posted January 17, 2021 10:19 PM            

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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
Not now that's for sure!! Back back in the day of life on the streets I sure did.

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posted January 17, 2021 10:53 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
This sounds more like Oliver Twist types. But rich people can also be career criminals.

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posted January 18, 2021 01:20 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I didn’t see this as a question about violence, or serial killers. I have personally dealt with violence from a Sagittarius, and a Capricorn.

Mobsters are violent, and career criminals. You could look them up, and see if they have anything in common. In England, we had the Kray twins. One of my mother’s cousins was one of their best friends. I don’t know if he was involved in anything they did, they met through boxing when they were kids.

It looks like Bonnie and Clyde were a Libra and an Aries.

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All criminal types, no matter in what area or how bad, have certain similarities in common. Mainly, lack of felt empathy, lack of conscience, lack of conscientiousness, and willingness to hurt/negatively affect others for their own self gain or agendas. But it's a spectrum and there are degrees of severity of the above.

As I mentioned earlier, this generally corresponds with a very strong focus on the slow vibratory Planetary symbols that correspond to the first 3 Centers i.e. Saturn, Mars, Moon, Mercury, and/or sometimes Pluto. It has to be in combination with a severe lack of focus on the mid and fast vibratory symbols of Venus, Neptune, Jupiter, and Sun at the same time though.

These will tend towards a higher selfishness and less empathy towards other as a trend, which are the conditions which foster or can lead to criminality.

(Uranus is kind of up in the air, wild card, extremist. Uranus often indicates a very loving, spiritual, and positive side that often flips to a very negative, selfish, destructive side and back and forth. Uranus when combined with strong Venus, Jupiter, Neptune, and/or Sun tends to express more positively, but combined with especially strong Mars, Saturn, and/or Pluto, really can bring out its dark side. Bill Gates being an excellent example of that type of Uranian. All in all though, I would call Uranus that of mid vibratory when you consider it simultaneous fast vibratory and slow vibratory sides ever vying for dominance. It most corresponds to the 5th Center).

People might disagree with the Moon,saying things like "but she is so kind and sympathetic. She wouldn't hurt a fly..". No, the true nature of the Moon is actually fairly selfish and materialistic. She can have sympathy, but it's only for people that she can personally relate to or cares about. She can be cold and even cruel to those that she does not feel personally connected to. (And she can be rather mildly narcissistic like).

Though I would say out of that list of slow vibratory symbols, she is least likely to contribute to criminality just because of her passiveness. She is rather lazy and lacks willpower. She is more apt to "mooch" off others in immature, childish, and/or parasitical ways. She wants to be taken care of and dependent, much like a child.

It's in Venus (4th Center) that we start to develop a growing empathy for others, and then in Neptune and Jupiter (6th Center symbols) that empathy really starts to become more universal and spiritualized in nature.