posted January 30, 2021 06:38 AM            

At which orb into the 12H would you consider a planet a 12th house planet and not a conjunction to the Ascendant?

And why?

posted January 31, 2021 01:01 AM            

And then we have the 7 main energetic centers and endocrine glands relatively along the spine. 7 can be perhaps better understand visually and symbolically.

Picture this:

. . . o . . .

What does this symbolize to you? In the center is the nucleus and its balanced on both sides by 3 positive (think Yang) and 3 negative, electrically speaking not morally (think Yin), forces. What does 3 signify numerologically? It is the first number of balance, for you have:

. o .

The nucleus/center balanced on either side by one positive and one negative. Btw, what is a "nucleus" to begin with numerologically? It's always a 1, before a 1 you have 0 which is nothing. There was never a time when there was nothing. Everything comes from a 1 both literally and symbolically. Hence, the 1 is the nucleus, the center, the Source from which everything ultimately emanates from.

So 7 is "uber/extra" balanced, and represents a finished cycle.

Though, when dealing with Planets that are extra sensitive/highlighted in the chart, especially rulers of the Angles (especially 1st and 10th), Sun, and/or Moon, then I typically give a wider orb with such conjunctions to other sensitive/important points, especially so with such an important and sensitive Angle as the ASC. Up to 10 degrees in such a combo.

So if the Sun, an ASC ruler, or the like was in the 12th House, but conjunct the ASC within 10 degrees, I would start to consider it more as part of the energies of self. However, that doesn't mean you won't see any "vibe" or flavoring from the 12th House. This is very much like the issue of "cusping" of Signs. It is a very real thing, and this is how vibrational/frequency/wavelength resonation works in general.

No matter what spectrum of energy or consciousness you look at, whether materially as in light and color, or radio waves, or consciousness/nonphysically as in various different dimensions, everything gradually phases in and out of a major "range" of wavelengths from one to the next. It doesn't just "jump" from one to the other. And there are always these "borderline/combo" areas.

This is both true with Sign cusping, and with conjunctions from 12th House planets to important/sensitive points like the ASC.

People tend to prefer "black and whites", because it's easier and simpler to think in such terms, in linear logical terms, but truth/reality in general tends to contain both non linear factors/variables AND linear factors/variables simultaneously. This makes truth/reality both simple and complex at the same time, and it usually takes a very "whole brain" and intellect-heart balanced/merged approach and attunement to fully perceive this.

It's kind of like looking at a painting, and simultaneously taking in/perceiving the whole gestalt, the core meaning and vibe of the painting, while also seeing all the little individual details at the same time that make up the whole. Not easy to do, and so people tend to polarize to one or the other. And then you get all kinds of imbalance and polarization in individuals, in society, in everything. Left and right politically, male and female, etc.

These all ultimately come from the same root cause/source of the interplay and dance between two fundamental, paradoxical truths in reality; Oneness/complete interconnectedness (the Yin) and uniqueness/individuality (the Yang). The 1 and the 2. And what happens when you combine the 1 and the 2, you get the 3 of balance of seemingly opposing, fundamental, paradoxical forces. The unity of unity's.

posted January 31, 2021 04:32 AM            

It is my Mars which got me wondering about it. It is Libra (18'39) and Asc in Libra (24). Which (if we count the seconds of the Mars placement), and use both your methods, makes my Mars cj. Asc more than in 12H.

Galactic, just with how I am experiencing this Mars, I definitely think that the 12H still affects its expression. If we take anger as an example, it really does feel like it comes out of nowhere at times. As if I miss the escalation in energy before it bursts forth.

posted January 31, 2021 04:21 PM            

As to anger, what you describe about bursting forth without warning/buildup fits what I describe below about subconscious process for planets in the 12th versus the person being more in (conscious) possession of those energies if the planet is in the 1st house. However, your Mars is parallel to Moon (5N13 topocentric), which sharpens emotive reactions that can seem to come quickly and from nowhere (from a subconscious place).

Also, you're experiencing a dual transit now of Neptune both quincunx natal Mars and parallel it. The latter will last for a few years and tends to heighten sensitivity while lowering confidence for outward action. The quincunx asks for an adjustment of greater awareness of your patterns of action/ego. That may mean setting new boundaries, noticing where the edges of those boundaries are, reconsidering what requires your attention more quickly or what is worth your emotional attention earlier in a given process. Neptune transits to natal Mars are important for learning to guide our direction with more sensitivity, awareness, and discernment.

More comments for others who may be reading this question ...

A planet can be both fully into the 12th house and conjunct the Asc.

As to whether it should be considered in aspect to the Asc, it depends on the planet and its declination in relation to the cusp -- of an accurate chart. (Most charts need some adjusting to click into place). It can be the planet is not really in conjunction, or at least not a close one, but is in parallel with Asc. That happens more with the Moon or the outer planets. Moon gets a wider orb since it is closer to Earth. Sun is as similar.

The difference here between a planet in the 12th and conjunct Asc and one in the 1st and conjunct Asc -- all things being equal (same planet, orb w/ Asc) the best I can generalize -- is that the person with planet in 1st is more in personal possession of the energies of the planet, whereas the person with planet in 12th has the planetary energies interacting more from a subconscious place requiring more response to external developments (hopefully with awareness of the metaphoric and/or karmic nature of their challenge).

So Pluto in 1st 5° from Asc is more in possession of the person/ality (an internal process) than if it is in 12th 5° from Asc, which suggests an internal development process related to power that is played out more externally (or at least in the person's reactions to external world events).

Planet in 1st house is conscious subjective, in 12th subconscious objective. Person with 1st house/conscious subjective sets more an agenda related to the planet's energies. Person with same in 12th reacts to external developments (or retreats in contemplation) to feel/enact that planet's energies.

posted January 31, 2021 05:57 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Similar to Graham, except that I generally use a 7 degree orb. Why 7? 7 symbolizes a full cycle and is a number of balance par excellence. You'll find lot's of 7's in relation to human cycles, both astrologically and non so.

And then we have the 7 main energetic centers and endocrine glands relatively along the spine. 7 can be perhaps better understand visually and symbolically.

Picture this:

. . . o . . .

What does this symbolize to you? In the center is the nucleus and its balanced on both sides by 3 positive (think Yang) and 3 negative, electrically speaking not morally (think Yin), forces. What does 3 signify numerologically? It is the first number of balance, for you have:

. o .

The nucleus/center balanced on either side by one positive and one negative. Btw, what is a "nucleus" to begin with numerologically? It's always a 1, before a 1 you have 0 which is nothing. There was never a time when there was nothing. Everything comes from a 1 both literally and symbolically. Hence, the 1 is the nucleus, the center, the Source from which everything ultimately emanates from.

So 7 is "uber/extra" balanced, and represents a finished cycle.

Though, when dealing with Planets that are extra sensitive/highlighted in the chart, especially rulers of the Angles (especially 1st and 10th), Sun, and/or Moon, then I typically give a wider orb with such conjunctions to other sensitive/important points, especially so with such an important and sensitive Angle as the ASC. Up to 10 degrees in such a combo.

So if the Sun, an ASC ruler, or the like was in the 12th House, but conjunct the ASC within 10 degrees, I would start to consider it more as part of the energies of self. However, that doesn't mean you won't see any "vibe" or flavoring from the 12th House. This is very much like the issue of "cusping" of Signs. It is a very real thing, and this is how vibrational/frequency/wavelength resonation works in general.

No matter what spectrum of energy or consciousness you look at, whether materially as in light and color, or radio waves, or consciousness/nonphysically as in various different dimensions, everything gradually phases in and out of a major "range" of wavelengths from one to the next. It doesn't just "jump" from one to the other. And there are always these "borderline/combo" areas.

This is both true with Sign cusping, and with conjunctions from 12th House planets to important/sensitive points like the ASC.

People tend to prefer "black and whites", because it's easier and simpler to think in such terms, in linear logical terms, but truth/reality in general tends to contain both non linear factors/variables AND linear factors/variables simultaneously. This makes truth/reality both simple and complex at the same time, and it usually takes a very "whole brain" and intellect-heart balanced/merged approach and attunement to fully perceive this.

It's kind of like looking at a painting, and simultaneously taking in/perceiving the whole gestalt, the core meaning and vibe of the painting, while also seeing all the little individual details at the same time that make up the whole. Not easy to do, and so people tend to polarize to one or the other. And then you get all kinds of imbalance and polarization in individuals, in society, in everything. Left and right politically, male and female, etc.

These all ultimately come from the same root cause/source of the interplay and dance between two fundamental, paradoxical truths in reality; Oneness/complete interconnectedness (the Yin) and uniqueness/individuality (the Yang). The 1 and the 2. And what happens when you combine the 1 and the 2, you get the 3 of balance of seemingly opposing, fundamental, paradoxical forces. The unity of unity's.

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