posted February 01, 2021 04:32 AM            

what do you think about the mean and the true version of the north node?
In my personal experience only the true node really applies. Explanation: my true node is in the 2nd house and the mean at the end of the first house.
I can't relate to the interpretation of the 1st house NN at all.

I know several people with NN in the 1st and they all seem to alternate between states of complete selfishness and inconsideration and doing what THEY want and the opposite meaning following the crowd to the expense of fulfilling their needs. I never had any of that. Was never a follower but also never so selfish and egoistical (obvsl the NN in 1 have other traits, I'm just exaggerating to make a point).

posted February 01, 2021 05:26 AM            

There was a thread on this recently, and Kannon mentioned that the true node is more technically accurate because it takes into account more astronomically accurate, elliptical orbitals paths and intersections vs using a perfectly circular ones (I think that was the explanation previously?).

This article is interesting and explains the differences. Even more interesting is that the author of same, via observation, has come to prefer the mean node position, because he would ask people with their mean node and true node just barely in different signs, which felt most accurate to them, and the majority chose the mean node position type pattern:
http://www.forrestastrology.com/blogs/astrology/mean-nodes-vs-true-nodes

posted February 01, 2021 07:42 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
....Ouch..just... ouch... Welp, there goes all those years of therapy and building up self esteem and some semblance of something akin to confidence...right out the window in one fell swoop (or generalized astro poop?).

(Virgo NN in 1st.)

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posted February 01, 2021 07:46 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Btw, was j/k earlier. I know from past/other life exploration, that I have had so much focus on service, others, deep spirituality, etc, that I have needed to work on building up more of a sense of an individual self in some ways--especially in the sense of positive boundaries and learning to say no and the like.

There was a thread on this recently, and Kannon mentioned that the true node is more technically accurate because it takes into account more astronomically accurate, elliptical orbitals paths and intersections vs using a perfectly circular ones (I think that was the explanation previously?).

This article is interesting and explains the differences. Even more interesting is that the author of same, via observation, has come to prefer the mean node position, because he would ask people with their mean node and true node just barely in different signs, which felt most accurate to them, and the majority chose the mean node position type pattern:
http://www.forrestastrology.com/blogs/astrology/mean-nodes-vs-true-nodes

Personally, I don't know which is more accurate. There isn't much difference in my case, but mean node is almost in conjunction with Jupiter using a wide orb of 8.5 degrees or so.

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posted February 03, 2021 04:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Maybe you should try it on a whole sign sidereal. In terms of Nodes, I relate more with the Vedic system and interpretations.

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Hey Hikaru,

posted February 03, 2021 05:34 AM            

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Originally posted by kani:
Hey Hikaru,

just checked the whole sign method and it puts my NN in the 2nd house. It also puts my Uranus in my 6th though, and I cannot relate to that. My uranus in the 5th fits much better.
Nothings perfect eh

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posted February 03, 2021 07:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Lol, it seems you need a chart customisation. 😆

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posted February 03, 2021 10:28 AM            

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posted February 05, 2021 05:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You should be able to feel out the house of your NN. It should be something to which you aspire but is hard for you

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posted February 05, 2021 11:39 AM            

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posted February 05, 2021 01:48 PM            

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Two cautions:

First, do not apply this test to differences between true and mean nodal house positions. House cusps are inherently a little more blurry than sign cusps—they “flow” a bit more, like seasons changing, while sign cusps tend to operate with more distinct “clicks,” like television channels. A great bugaboo in astrology is the accuracy of someone’s birth time. Even a small error there can throw house cusps off enough to make them dubious for our purposes here. So, if the true node makes better personal sense to you than the mean one in terms of its house position—well, you are probably right about which house the node occupies, but my first guess would be that your birth time is off by a minute or two.

Second, in exploring the distinctions between mean and true nodes, avoid the temptation to look at only one or two charts. Half of the truly dumb ideas in astrology have arisen that way. “My best friend has Jupiter in her first house and she loves cats. Therefore Jupiter in the first house means you love cats.”

We need to cast our nets more widely to see reliable patterns, and it is in those patterns that we mine the alchemical gold.

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posted February 06, 2021 04:56 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
From the article I linked earlier:

Btw, I feel personally picked on, as I have Jupiter in the 1st and I love cats...

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posted February 06, 2021 05:34 PM            

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Originally posted by kani:
heyyyyy,

what do you think about the mean and the true version of the north node?
In my personal experience only the true node really applies. Explanation: my true node is in the 2nd house and the mean at the end of the first house.
I can't relate to the interpretation of the 1st house NN at all.

I know several people with NN in the 1st and they all seem to alternate between states of complete selfishness and inconsideration and doing what THEY want and the opposite meaning following the crowd to the expense of fulfilling their needs. I never had any of that. Was never a follower but also never so selfish and egoistical (obvsl the NN in 1 have other traits, I'm just exaggerating to make a point).

What is your experience with true and mean node?

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posted February 06, 2021 05:34 PM            

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Originally posted by kani:
heyyyyy,

what do you think about the mean and the true version of the north node?
In my personal experience only the true node really applies. Explanation: my true node is in the 2nd house and the mean at the end of the first house.
I can't relate to the interpretation of the 1st house NN at all.

I know several people with NN in the 1st and they all seem to alternate between states of complete selfishness and inconsideration and doing what THEY want and the opposite meaning following the crowd to the expense of fulfilling their needs. I never had any of that. Was never a follower but also never so selfish and egoistical (obvsl the NN in 1 have other traits, I'm just exaggerating to make a point).

What is your experience with true and mean node?

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posted February 06, 2021 05:37 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:

If you are interested in astrology as a philosophical system,the mean is sufficient. But if you are interested in the node as a
system of prediction, you must use the true node.

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posted February 09, 2021 02:40 AM            

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Originally posted by kani:
Cats are the absolute best. especially the fat ones!

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posted February 09, 2021 08:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Chanterelle:
My favorite are the kind who act like they think they’re dogs.

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posted February 09, 2021 09:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Chanterelle:
I mean, obviously knows its name and likes car rides and stuff like that.

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posted February 09, 2021 03:20 PM            

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Originally posted by kani:

Hey Hikaru,

just checked the whole sign method and it puts my NN in the 2nd house. It also puts my Uranus in my 6th though, and I cannot relate to that. My uranus in the 5th fits much better.
Nothings perfect eh

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