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Aries Eagle
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posted February 13, 2021 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries Eagle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lately in my life I've been extremely Scorpio-like in fact I think I resemble Scorpio qualities far more than Scorpio Suns that I know.
The only thing that would explain this to me is the progressed chart. Previously I've read in LL that progressed charts are not important ?
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posted February 13, 2021 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I would say as important as the birth chart at time of birth. The birth chart shows what we are when we incarnated and the progressed chart shows where we are karmically in our current incarnation. It shows how far we have come from the day we were born; what we have learned so far. When progressed planets change signs, its a huge mile stone in evolution that should be paid close attention to.

Fun fact: Many people die when progressed planets are at 29 degrees.

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posted February 13, 2021 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Fun fact: Many people die when progressed planets are at 29 degrees.

Sweet, my progressed Sun is at 29 degrees Aquarius. Lord (or ET friends), take me home. "Good bye cruel world, I'm leaving you today, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye."

http://youtu.be/9h6ZXKHv19A?t=34

(While it is dang tempting, oh so tempting at times, going to try to stick around and let the fates decide).

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posted February 13, 2021 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chanterelle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dude... remember? They already failed to show up because it was too cloudy for the bat-signal!
(I promise you all, there is life after 30.)

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posted February 13, 2021 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chanterelle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, never mind, I’m blaming it on the mead. 🙊

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posted February 13, 2021 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chanterelle:
Dude... remember? They already failed to show up because it was too cloudy for the bat-signal!
(I promise you all, there is life after 30.)

Drats, foiled again.

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posted February 13, 2021 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chanterelle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8wR29NCDR9o

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posted February 14, 2021 02:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Yes I would say as important as the birth chart at time of birth. The birth chart shows what we are when we incarnated and the progressed chart shows where we are karmically in our current incarnation. It shows how far we have come from the day we were born; what we have learned so far. When progressed planets change signs, its a huge mile stone in evolution that should be paid close attention to.

Fun fact: Many people die when progressed planets are at 29 degrees.


I admire your notion of fun, athenegoddess.

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posted February 14, 2021 03:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Are progressed charts important?

I consider them to be important ... for the reasons already stated by athenegoddess.

Oddly though ... no-one appears to have tested the validity of secondary progressions, by recording what happens in the first 30 days after birth and checking this against the progressions of the first 30 years of life.

So ... I made that record for my great-granddaughter, who was born on 24th December 2015. ... But it is not much use yet, as she is currently only 5 years old.

Interestingly though, she experienced a choking incident 3hours and 10 mins before the time when she as exactly 3 days old ... which equates to a progression of the MC* from 4th to 7th November 2018 (50 to 47 days before her 3rd birthday). And, the 5th (Monday) to 7th (Wednesday) November 2018 was the first 3-day-week of her attendance at nursery school.

We know that the choking incident happened because she was eager to get started on something she looked forward to (being fed, physically). ... And that she was eager to get started at nursery school (be "socially fed", via interaction with other children), where she settled in completely by the end of that first week.

[ * Natal Moon is at 19Gemini14 ... Progressed MC at 19Sag00 on her 3rd birthday, and 18Sag52 from 4th to 7th November 2018.]

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posted February 14, 2021 03:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chanterelle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Graham, I’m looking at a progressed chart for myself for the first time. In the bottom corner, beneath the breakdown of elements, modes, etc. it says “learn: 2, share:14.” Can you explain what this means?

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posted February 14, 2021 04:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chanterelle:
@Graham, I’m looking at a progressed chart for myself for the first time. In the bottom corner, beneath the breakdown of elements, modes, etc. it says “learn: 2, share:14.” Can you explain what this means?

Is it an astrodienst chart?

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posted February 14, 2021 04:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chanterelle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes. The most obvious thing I can make of it all is that the progressed chart is a good deal more fixed and fiery... which fits.
Edit: further fiddling with options... I was looking at the “Pullen/astrolog” tab. Neptune progressing from 29 Sag to 0 Cap would be the other obvious thing to pay attention to, I would think?

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posted February 14, 2021 05:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chanterelle:
Yes. The most obvious thing I can make of it all is that the progressed chart is a good deal more fixed and fiery... which fits.
Edit: further fiddling with options... I was looking at the “Pullen/astrolog” tab. Neptune progressing from 29 Sag to 0 Cap would be the other obvious thing to pay attention to, I would think?

The Pullen system considers the first 6 signs to be about learning and the second 6 to be about sharing. So bodies in Aries to Virgo are learning, and those in Libra to Pisces are sharing.

This equates to the hemisphere analysis by Bil Tierney (Dynamics of Aspect Analysis) - in which he asserts that the first half of a planetary cycle is where the faster moving planet is learning what is being taught by the slower moving planet, and the second half is where it is walking-the-walk of what it has learned - thus sharing it with others ( by example).

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posted February 14, 2021 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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So bodies in Aries to Virgo are learning, and those in Libra to Pisces are sharing.

Would also add/expand a bit upon that. Aries through Virgo are also about developing a conscious ego/individualized sense of self, and Libra through/to Pisces is about transforming the ego/sense of individual self to the conscious knowledge, experience and expression of the One/Greater self i.e. the Oneness of the Whole.

And if the Soul can "master" the final Piscean lesson on this (i.e. universal, unconditional Love for sinner, mixed bag, and saint alike), the Soul moves on to the Center/Beating Heart of this system, the Sun, then to move on to greater/more expanded/faster vibratory systems i.e. graduation from this little elementary school.

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posted February 15, 2021 12:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Sweet, my progressed Sun is at 29 degrees Aquarius. Lord (or ET friends), take me home. "Good bye cruel world, I'm leaving you today, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye."

http://youtu.be/9h6ZXKHv19A?t=34

(While it is dang tempting, oh so tempting at times, going to try to stick around and let the fates decide).


Urgh... Sometimes I do feel like leaving this cruel world. 😩

Just checked my prog chart... it’s filled with wonderful trines / sextiles and pMoon also just passed a conjunction with Venus, but why do I feel so sh*tty? Is it because pSaturn is on ASC squaring Mars/Jupiter on MC?

Btw which progression should we use? ARMC 1 Naibod or ARMC 361deg?

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posted February 15, 2021 01:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, if I ever visit Japan, I will be sure to steer well clear of Aokigahara forest.

I agree with Kannon, the non standard, faster moving, option one is likely more correct (don't remember the label as of the moment). I mean it makes sense, since in the Natal the ASC/Angles are so fast moving. It is that very fact which is part of symbolizes their high degree of sensitivity/importance to the entire chart as a structure/contextual reference.

As far as progressions go, yeah they are quite fast, but still, I think it takes on average around a month or so, for it to change a sign? (haven't looked in it for awhile, so don't remember super clearly).

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posted February 15, 2021 06:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries Eagle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So natal, transit and progressed chart are equally important
Natal is the core, transit is the trigger and progressed "shows where we are karmically in our current incarnation"
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posted February 15, 2021 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries Eagle:
So natal, transit and progressed chart are equally important
Natal is the core, transit is the trigger and progressed "shows where we are karmically in our current incarnation"
-quoted from athenegoddess

Progressed shows where the Soul intended to be karmically in our current incarnation.

However, It is unlikely that anyone will actually be there "on-time" ... since that requires the one-lifetime-ego to be 100% in-tune (from birth) with the Soul it is accompanying in the current lifetime.

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posted February 15, 2021 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chanterelle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sweet — I’ve got a whole new topic duly noted, clearly labeled, and filed away for future reference in the bottom left corner of my mental pantry.

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posted February 15, 2021 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chanterelle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chanterelle:
Dude... remember? They already failed to show up because it was too cloudy for the bat-signal!
(I promise you all, there is life after 30.)

Might as well explain another lame joke: the one time we met in person, walked around and looked at a light sculpture exhibit, and one of them was a “distress beacon.” So we’re all peering up into the sky, and he’s going “Please, take me!” And his wife just rolls her eyes... it was a moment, that’s for sure, and obviously a variation on a theme... And, honestly, the kind of thing that humor is my only way of coping with: Yeah, life is rough sometimes,but you’re stuck with it so you might as well make the most of it, right?🙃

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posted February 15, 2021 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Yeah, if I ever visit Japan, I will be sure to steer well clear of Aokigahara forest.

I agree with Kannon, the non standard, faster moving, option one is likely more correct (don't remember the label as of the moment). I mean it makes sense, since in the Natal the ASC/Angles are so fast moving. It is that very fact which is part of symbolizes their high degree of sensitivity/importance to the entire chart as a structure/contextual reference.

As far as progressions go, yeah they are quite fast, but still, I think it takes on average around a month or so, for it to change a sign? (haven't looked in it for awhile, so don't remember super clearly).


Are you replying to me? The faster moving progression is AMRC 360deg/prog.day. I think it was Kannon(?) who said to use this.

I did think of visiting Aokigahara forest in Japan but didn’t get a chance and now I’m not sure how long I’ve to wait to visit Japan again, sigh... 😩

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posted February 15, 2021 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries Eagle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Graham:
Progressed shows where the Soul intended to be karmically in our current incarnation.

However, It is unlikely that anyone will actually be there "on-time" ... since that requires the one-lifetime-ego to be 100% in-tune (from birth) with the Soul it is accompanying in the current lifetime.


agreed
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posted February 15, 2021 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chanterelle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Best advice I ever got from a horoscope was Rob Breszny’s Free Will Astrology, suggesting that I try honey instead of sugar on my grapefruit.

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posted February 15, 2021 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chanterelle:
Might as well explain another lame joke...:

Tbh, it went right over my head, and I didn't realize the correlation between that past event and what you said recently.

But yes, I agree with the spirit and gist of what you said earlier. Unfortunately though, I've had this existential discomfort since I was little. It only gets more intense, in some ways, the more I attune to Source and Love.

It's hard to explain and describe, but it's like a vibrational in-harmony/dissonance that is deeply uncomfortable. Apparently my teacher felt it intensely at times and it stirred up some less than positive feelings and thoughts. For example, "Yeshua answered and he said, 'Oh, faithless and twisted generation! How long shall I be with you, and how long shall I endure you?'" Ouch dude, ouch. I thought you were all love, acceptance, compassion, and empathy?

Anyways, at the same time, I'm also grateful/appreciative for the opportunity of service. I'll be sticking around for however long the Creative Forces want/need me focused here. Whether 4 more years or 40 more, or whatever:
http://youtu.be/F8pL7a0Qzjs

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posted February 15, 2021 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Graham:
The Pullen system considers the first 6 signs to be about learning and the second 6 to be about sharing. So bodies in Aries to Virgo are learning, and those in Libra to Pisces are sharing.

This equates to the hemisphere analysis by Bil Tierney ([b]Dynamics of Aspect Analysis) - in which he asserts that the first half of a planetary cycle is where the faster moving planet is learning what is being taught by the slower moving planet, and the second half is where it is walking-the-walk of what it has learned - thus sharing it with others ( by example).[/B]


This is interesting. Thank you Graham for posting the Pullen info. I need to explore this!

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