posted February 18, 2021 03:12 PM            

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posted February 19, 2021 05:14 AM            

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Originally posted by SimplyLuna:
If Uranus parallel DSC while Neptune conjunct DSC. But Uranus/Neptune don't aspect each other in the Chart nor declination.

Would you interpret it as Neptune/Uranus conjunct DSC?

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I don't know if you'll get a satisfactory answer.But the two energies (Imo) would influence the Dsc.

posted February 19, 2021 05:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I don't know if you'll get a satisfactory answer.But the two energies (Imo) would influence the Dsc.

So the native would be dream to "open ended" types or those whom are not the most grounded/reliable people.

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thanks Aries23Degrees
Better to have something than nothing. haha

posted February 19, 2021 05:21 PM            

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posted February 19, 2021 07:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
My experience with them
is that it makes the practical interpretation of the chart too confusing. I think the traditional aspects help you to give something of practical value to people. I am all about that. I don't need to sound like an intellectual or a super spiritual person. I just want to give a good chart reading that someone can really grow from.

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posted February 19, 2021 09:32 PM            

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posted February 19, 2021 10:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
This is a great question.

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posted February 19, 2021 10:19 PM            

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Originally posted by SimplyLuna:
If Uranus parallel DSC while Neptune conjunct DSC. But Uranus/Neptune don't aspect each other in the Chart nor declination.

Would you interpret it as Neptune/Uranus conjunct DSC?

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Hello SimplyLuna,

You would interpret them both as being align with the DSC/ASC axis—one in longitude (what can be observed in a horoscope) and the other in declination (can’t be seen directly in a horoscope but are parallel north or south of the equator and VERY important). Planets in declination often fill in the missing links of information that cannot be observed directly in a horoscope. Parallels and contraparallels are interpreted in conjunction with planets in longitude, as well as in accordance to their house and sign positions.

Neptune conjunct and Uranus parallel the DSC are indicative of activities relating to film, movies, photography, inspiration, fantasies, idealism (Neptune), television, technology, and innovation (Uranus)—either as it relates to cooperative activities between self and others (both planets’ alignment to the DSC/ASC axis) or as it relates to individuals with whom one has close relationships/partnerships, including a mate (DSC).

The areas of life to which such activities would be related will be indicated by the house cusps these planets rule in the horoscope. It’s worth mentioning also that having both planets on the DSC significantly increases the likelihood that a mate will have strong Pisces, Sagittarius, Aquarius or Capricorn elements in his or her horoscope. What that means is that he or she will have the Sun, Moon, ASC or MC in those signs. Or one of the planets ruling those signs will be at a cardinal point in the horoscope or sitting on a major angle (in either longitude or declination).

It’s important to keep in mind and ask yourself if this configuration actually corresponds to or matches your life as you know it, because oftentimes the Ascendant sign is off and is either at an earlier degree of the rising sign shown according to the birth certificate or in one of the two Ascendant signs before it (which would drastically change the inner house cusps, positions of planets in houses, and aspects of planets to the major angles—as well as timing of forecasts). Edgar Cayce mentioned this in many of his readings that allude to spiritual birth times.

Hope this helps.

Kind Regards
SM

posted February 28, 2021 02:52 AM            

Significantly though, I also have natal Pluto conjunct Uranus and opposite Jupiter by declination (at 23N06). However, it is at 16Leo34 and in 11th house ... semi-square Uranus and sesqui-square Jupiter.

Difficult 11th house social interactions have been a key factor in the unfolding of the Jupiter-Uranus opposition - which has been a lifelong process, and is still continuing. ... And that can be attributed to the Pluto semi and sesqui squares.

However, the alignment of Pluto (by declination) with Uranus and against Jupiter perhaps accounts for the fact that this "transformational battle"** has been won by Uranus/"nurturing" - despite the odds being heavily in favour of a Jupiter/"nature" victory during my childhood and adolescence.

So - my guess is that declinations are a strong influence, but will go unrecognised by astrologers that do not actively/consciously search for (and use) them. ... Which, in my case, is the difference between an astrologer that is able to predict the outcome of my Jupiter-Uranus opposition and an astrologer that cannot.

posted February 28, 2021 04:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Suspended_Matter:

Hello SimplyLuna,

You would interpret them both as being align with the DSC/ASC axis—one in longitude (what can be observed in a horoscope) and the other in declination (can’t be seen directly in a horoscope but are parallel north or south of the equator and VERY important). Planets in declination often fill in the missing links of information that cannot be observed directly in a horoscope. Parallels and contraparallels are interpreted in conjunction with planets in longitude, as well as in accordance to their house and sign positions.

Neptune conjunct and Uranus parallel the DSC are indicative of activities relating to film, movies, photography, inspiration, fantasies, idealism (Neptune), television, technology, and innovation (Uranus)—either as it relates to cooperative activities between self and others (both planets’ alignment to the DSC/ASC axis) or as it relates to individuals with whom one has close relationships/partnerships, including a mate (DSC).

The areas of life to which such activities would be related will be indicated by the house cusps these planets rule in the horoscope. It’s worth mentioning also that having both planets on the DSC significantly increases the likelihood that a mate will have strong Pisces, Sagittarius, Aquarius or Capricorn elements in his or her horoscope. What that means is that he or she will have the Sun, Moon, ASC or MC in those signs. Or one of the planets ruling those signs will be at a cardinal point in the horoscope or sitting on a major angle (in either longitude or declination).

It’s important to keep in mind and ask yourself if this configuration actually corresponds to or matches your life as you know it, because oftentimes the Ascendant sign is off and is either at an earlier degree of the rising sign shown according to the birth certificate or in one of the two Ascendant signs before it (which would drastically change the inner house cusps, positions of planets in houses, and aspects of planets to the major angles—as well as timing of forecasts). Edgar Cayce mentioned this in many of his readings that allude to spiritual birth times.

Hope this helps.

Kind Regards
SM

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Hihi Suspended_Matter,

Yes it makes much sense to me. Can I ask why Sagittarius. I understood why Pisces (ruled by Neptune) and Aquarius (ruled by Uranus) and Cap (7th house angle)? And what does cardinal point means?

posted February 28, 2021 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
In my natal chart ... 9th house Gemini Uranus (on Gemini MC) opposes 4th house Capricorn Jupiter (on Sagittarius IC) - with an orb of 1deg14mins. ... They are also opposed by declination (Uranus 23N39 and Jupiter 23S23) - so this is a very influential opposition in my life**.

Significantly though, I also have natal Pluto conjunct Uranus and opposite Jupiter by declination (at 23N06). However, it is at 16Leo34 and in 11th house ... semi-square Uranus and sesqui-square Jupiter.

Difficult 11th house social interactions have been a key factor in the unfolding of the Jupiter-Uranus opposition - which has been a lifelong process, and is still continuing. ... And that can be attributed to the Pluto semi and sesqui squares.

However, the alignment of Pluto (by declination) with Uranus and against Jupiter perhaps accounts for the fact that this "transformational battle"** has been won by Uranus/"nurturing" - despite the odds being heavily in favour of a Jupiter/"nature" victory during my childhood and adolescence.

So - my guess is that declinations are a strong influence, but will go unrecognised by astrologers that do not actively/consciously search for (and use) them. ... Which, in my case, is the difference between an astrologer that is able to predict the outcome of my Jupiter-Uranus opposition and an astrologer that cannot.

[ ** As a child/adolescent, I had an extremely strong inclination to remain within the comfort zone of the working-class environment into which I was born (Jupiter in Capricorn/4th). Hence, I actively resisted all attempts by the UK Education system (Uranus in Gemin/9th) to mould me into an adult that "is suited for employment in a white-collar profession".]

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posted February 28, 2021 10:17 PM            

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Originally posted by SimplyLuna:
Hihi Suspended_Matter,

Yes it makes much sense to me. Can I ask why Sagittarius. I understood why Pisces (ruled by Neptune) and Aquarius (ruled by Uranus) and Cap (7th house angle)? And what does cardinal point means?

These signs were significant in my dating life except Pisces (men would have moon/neptune)

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Hi SimplyLuna,

Sure. There are six signs of the zodiac that are dually ruled by a singular planet and another six signs of the zodiac that a co-ruled by two planets.

The six signs that are ruled by a singular planet include: Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, and Libra.

The six signs that are co-ruled by two planets include: Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces, and Aries.

They follow an exact and orderly pattern of the planets in this solar system. See image in link (click on pic to enlarge image):

https://i2.wp.com/incarntology.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/a stro_planets_signs_colors_solarsystem1.jpg?ssl=1

Those signs ruled by singular planets have planets that correspond to secondary colors while those signs co-ruled by two planets have planets that correspond to primary colors. The three outer planets represent higher octaves of Mars (Pluto), Jupiter (Neptune), and Saturn (Uranus) and are also %100 saturated colors of red, green, and blue—the saturated colors being the darkest shades of the primary colors visible to the naked eye.

The scientific correspondence of these can also be observed on the color triangle. See image in link (click on pic to enlarge image):

https://i1.wp.com/incarntology.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/astro_plane ts_colors-1-crop-3.jpg?ssl=1

Hence, while Mars is direct and applies aggressive forces in advancing straight ahead, Pluto is more strategic and looks everywhere to find all resources that can be combined in an undertaking and then proceeds to use them efficiently while holding onto additional reserves for later use. Pluto (or Scorpio) can be secretive even about the most minor details. Mars is the primary ruler of Aries while Pluto is that sign's co-ruler (most likely because of its association with the sinuses and hay fever). Pluto is the primary ruler of Scorpio while Mars is that sign's co-ruler (most likely because of the sexual energy of Mars and its dual rulership over the sexual glands).

Likewise, while Jupiter has jurisdiction over and sees observable growth and expansion, Neptune has jurisdiction over and sees less obvious (but fascinating) embellishments and ideals. Jupiter is the primary ruler of Sagittarius while Neptune is its co-ruler. Neptune is the primary ruler of Pisces while Jupiter is its co-ruler. Both planets rule the pituitary glands (there are two lobes in the human body: one relates to growth, such as the HGR; and the other has ties with water).

Capricorn and Aquarius are the only signs of the zodiac with the same planetary (co)rulerships that are back-to-back (as opposed being spread out and apart like the other signs that share planetary rulerships). That’s because Saturn and Uranus act as a counterbalancing of influences to one another—very similar to the two-faced God, Janus. Hence, while Saturn proceeds with caution and has a liking for that which is old and proven, Uranus gravitates toward that which is new, exciting and revolutionary. Both represent symbols of change but one is more gradual with delays while the other is more sudden. Saturn primarily rules Capricorn and co-rules Uranus while Uranus primarily rules Aquarius while Saturn co-rules Aquarius. They both rule the thymus glands.

You can see the correspondence among planetary forces (and the colors to which they are attuned) in this solar system and the major endocrine glands they rule in the human body here:

https://i1.wp.com/incarntology.com/wp-content/uploads /2019/02/planet-to-endocrinegland-to-colors-correlations-3.jpg?ssl=1

UPDATE (forgot to answer your question about cardinal points): The cardinal points of a horoscope are those of the first, fourth, seventh, and tenth houses. Planets located in any of those houses or conjunct any of those angles (ASC, IC, DSC, MC) become prominent.

Kind Regards,
Shaun

posted March 01, 2021 03:05 AM            

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Originally posted by SimplyLuna:
thanks for sharing your story Graham. Declination are definitely important for me too! Sadly not enough info on declination online.

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posted March 09, 2021 12:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SimplyLuna:
[b] thanks for sharing your story Graham. Declination are definitely important for me too! Sadly not enough info on declination online.

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posted March 09, 2021 02:08 AM            

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Originally posted by SimplyLuna:
wow!! Suspended_Matter

Thank you for the mini lesson. I really enjoy learning more symbolic meanings of horoscope. Your breakdown helps me

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Hi SimplyLuna,

I realized I made a typo in describing the co-rulerships of Aries and Scorpio. Here is what I actually meant to say regarding those signs:

"Mars is the primary ruler of Aries while Pluto is that sign's co-ruler (most likely because of its association with the sinuses and hay fever). Pluto is the primary ruler of Scorpio while Mars is that sign's co-ruler (most likely because of the sexual energy of Mars and its dual rulership over the sexual glands)."