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hypatia238
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posted February 20, 2021 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was looking at my chart and finally feel I got the time right and was reflecting on my interceptions and it brought up some anger and pain although nothing intense, subtle but needed to be acknowledged, addressed and worked through. I got very intimate with my chart and was thinking about my upbringing and how my family system and early environment shaped me and how this reflects in my interceptions. After a lot of reflecting and reading I realized that my chart is exactly what it needs to be. Like this article states:

"Bottom line, if a sign is intercepted in your chart, it is supposed to be intercepted. Don’t frame it as a problem, frame it as your path. It may very well be a big part of your inner life – but in living “your best life,” you do not let yourself get too enmeshed in its outward expression. Life is too short for those kinds of entanglements. Practice non-attachment there, as best you can."

http://www.forrestastrology.com/blogs/astrology/intercepted-signs

This really helped me see my chart with the right frame of mind and it brought me healing and peace. I was already heading in that direction, feeling I needed to nourish acceptance and then read a few articles that really gave me the right perspective on interceptions.

I also agreed with this perspective which compliments other article nicely:

"An intercepted sign in an astrological chart occurs when a sign is totally contained in one of the houses and does not appear on the cusp of a house. When a sign is intercepted, the sign opposite it will be intercepted as well. When there is an interception the two houses having this influence will display a dual type of energy as expressed by the sign on the cusp and the intercepted sign. As an example, in my own chart I have Pisces as my Ascendant placed on cusp of first house with the sign Aries intercepted in my first house. My opposite seventh house has Virgo placed on cusp of seventh house with the sign Libra intercepted here. My first house personality is expressed through both Pisces and Aries. My seventh house of relationships is expressed through Virgo and Libra.

Astrologers have different opinions about the meaning of interception. My own theory is an intercepted sign is stimulated by our intuition. We have an opportunity to make use of intercepted signs creatively."

http://www.llewellyn.com/journal/article/2680

I encourage you guys to read those two articles if you have intercepted signs.

I have read up on interceptions over the years and there are a lot of theories out there about them. I have personally come to the conclusion that these are qualities we may have over used in previous lives and in this life your path is about developing more the signs that fall in the two houses or if you don't believe in past lives the intercepted signs were somewhat suppressed bc it already was been expressed too much in your family system so you needed to develop more the signs that fall in the two houses in order to balance this out in your family system, so it was an adaptive response to your environment.

Now when the nodes fall in the signs that are doubled I feel it gets extra interesting. My intuition tells me that the sign corresponding to your southnode that falls in two houses has two missions on this life, first to live out some experiences related to the sign that you did not get live out in other lives, things your soul longed to do but did not get to in a past life and the second mission is to then neutralize and tone down the expression of that sign once that gets fulfilled, this sign will continue to express itself in your life naturally but it will relax and tone down bc it fulfilled its mission. The sign that falls on your northnode and in two houses its about integrating that sign throughout your life more and more in different ways, both houses will work together to help this happen and the intercepted sign will express itself through one of those houses creatively and more indirectly.

Blessings.

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posted February 20, 2021 04:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DecimaLife     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, in my opinion you explained interceptions very well. Personally I have very strong cancer and capricorn tendecies (2nd,3rd house cancer - 8th, 9th house capricorn) even though my NN is in 4th house.
Also the fact that, I have some problems in areas of romance and friends, since they are intercepted (5th house virgo, libra vs 11th pisces, aries). Usually I can't assertive in group settlings until I explode and be very agressive, and be selfish. 5th house is still mystery to me. This is how interceptions play in my life.

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posted February 20, 2021 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My belief is that interceptions and duplications can be expressed as a formula.

For example ... I have Cancer+Moon intercepted in 10th house; Capricorn+Jupiter intercepted in 4th house; Virgo duplicated on the cusps of 12th+1st houses; Pisces duplicated on cusps of 6th+7th houses and NO* planets (or Nodes) in the 6th or 12th houses.

And, with those interceptions + duplications, the formula is :-

"an issue in the 6th+12th houses is adversely affecting the 7th+1st houses - in a way that (until resolved) will prevent the positive qualities of Cancer, Moon, Capricorn and Jupiter from being used effectively correctly". ... [ * If there were any planets or nodes in the duplicated houses, these would be involved in the 6th+12th house issue.]
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In my life, this manifested as two parents (Cancer+Moon and Capricorn+Jupiter) who conditioned me in childhood to believe (unquestioningly, because it seemed so obviously "right" to me) that "we should always put the needs of others before those of ourself" (6th+12th houses of service).

And, I did that RELIGIOUSLY/blindly/unquestioningly until the age of 44 ... when a lifetime of doing so finally brought me to the brink of a physical or/and psychological breakdown.

At that time, I was a public-sector workplace manager ... responsible for ensuring that some 60 staff did not lose their jobs to a private-sector competitor (and the only available manager with the knowledge/experience to do so).

And ... only at that point did it dawn on me that - if I had a breakdown, those staff would lose their jobs. ... Hence, I changed my conditioned belief to "we should always put first the greatest need of the group" - and, in this case, me staying healthy was the greatest need of that group.
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I also believe that the issue(s) of our natal interceptions and duplications are actually rooted in a past lifetime ... and that we recreate the adult behaviours/beliefs in the current lifetime, by actively looking for them in our childhood interactions with others. ... Hence, my siblings might not have "picked up" the same conditioned belief as me - despite us being raised by the same two parents.

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posted February 20, 2021 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DecimaLife:
Hello, in my opinion you explained interceptions very well. Personally I have very strong cancer and capricorn tendecies (2nd,3rd house cancer - 8th, 9th house capricorn) even though my NN is in 4th house.
Also the fact that, I have some problems in areas of romance and friends, since they are intercepted (5th house virgo, libra vs 11th pisces, aries). Usually I can't assertive in group settlings until I explode and be very agressive, and be selfish. 5th house is still mystery to me. This is how interceptions play in my life.

How would your interceptions and duplications be expressed via my suggested formula?

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posted February 20, 2021 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DecimaLife:
Hello, in my opinion you explained interceptions very well. Personally I have very strong cancer and capricorn tendecies (2nd,3rd house cancer - 8th, 9th house capricorn) even though my NN is in 4th house.
Also the fact that, I have some problems in areas of romance and friends, since they are intercepted (5th house virgo, libra vs 11th pisces, aries). Usually I can't assertive in group settlings until I explode and be very agressive, and be selfish. 5th house is still mystery to me. This is how interceptions play in my life.

Hey!...

I will say this check were the rulers of your intercepted signs fall in your chart bc the energy of that sign will definitely express itself through that house if the planets ruling the intercepted signs are not falling in the intercepted sign/house.

Now if there are planets falling in the intercepted signs it seems is hard for that planet to express itself with ease, maybe it over-functions so it crashes. It may be overfunctioning because the other intercepted sign in the axis is been rejected due to conditioning from childhood and the person refuses to integrate that energy in themselves favoring the other sign from which they are overfunctioning and so this lack of balance leads to disruptions, crashing, shutting down.

I think the intercepted signs can also be about integrating one sign of the axis but neglecting the other because of conditioning but the irony is that rejecting the other side of the polarity makes the other sign which the person embraces too much not function effectively.

For example without the compassion and faith of pisces, virgo becomes overly critical and gets stuck in the details and feeling like a failure resulting in frustration and wanting to give up or not even getting started bc of fear of failure stemming from perfectionism. Now if you integrate pisces the perfectionism of virgo becomes a strength instead of a barrier to success.

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Originally posted by Graham:

And ... only at that point did it dawn on me that - if I had a breakdown, those staff would lose their jobs. ... Hence, I changed my conditioned belief to "we should always put first the greatest need of the group" - and, in this case, me staying healthy was the greatest need of that group.


A lesson that Uranian, extremist Edgar Cayce would have benefited from learning, for he quite literally worked himself to death.

Though, to be fair, he was in between a mighty hard place and some crushing boulders. Every day he was receiving hundreds of letters of need during the height of WW2, and multiple people writing him things like, "Mr. Cayce, my son (or husband, or nephew, etc) went to war, and I haven't heard from them for months now."

Etc, etc, plus the usual, "I have a hopeless case of illness and disease that the doctors can't help me with".

He told his wife Gertrude, if I give more readings than I should, it will kill me, but if I don't answer these peoples cries for help, it will also kill me. Methinks secretly (unconsciously) he was longing for a vacation in the nonphysical, and chose to over work himself to hasten that--hence in a sense, he did choose self over service/others. And yet, service does not end just because one shifts focus out of this level. Complicated fellow in a complicated life.

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posted February 20, 2021 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am also noticing an interesting pattern of intercepted signs in the chart correlating with the signs of the parents or one of the parents. Maybe the parent or parents over expressed this energy so the child suppressed it, learning in some level to fear it or be overly cautious around it. Interesting how the complex relationship with our parents and their own imbalances can impact our development and show in our natal chart.

It could also be the parents modeled the negative expression of the sign like with Pisces instead of expressing its positive qualities the parent was an alcoholic to escape the pain of the loss of his brother instead of using that pain to grow, the child ends up not been an alcoholic but also did not learn to integrate the positive manifestation of Pisces and rejects his spiritual side, fearing strongly death, as father died when he was 12 and paradoxically is integrating his pisces and embracing a spiritual side however that may look like that will free him of this fear of death.

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posted February 21, 2021 05:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
A lesson that Uranian, extremist Edgar Cayce would have benefited from learning, for he quite literally worked himself to death.

Though, to be fair, he was in between a mighty hard place and some crushing boulders. Every day he was receiving hundreds of letters of need during the height of WW2, and multiple people writing him things like, "Mr. Cayce, my son (or husband, or nephew, etc) went to war, and I haven't heard from them for months now."

Etc, etc, plus the usual, "I have a hopeless case of illness and disease that the doctors can't help me with".

He told his wife Gertrude, if I give more readings than I should, it will kill me, but if I don't answer these peoples cries for help, it will also kill me. Methinks secretly (unconsciously) he was longing for a vacation in the nonphysical, and chose to over work himself to hasten that--hence in a sense, he did choose self over service/others. And yet, service does not end just because one shifts focus out of this level. Complicated fellow in a complicated life.


I am tempted to move his Astrodatabank C-rated natal chart's 12th Placidus house cusp by +5 degrees ... putting the Ascendant at the anaretic degree of Leo, and creating interceptions + duplications which my suggested formula would describe as :-

"An issue in the 6th+12th houses (of Service) and involving Uranus will adversely affect the 7th+1st houses, in a way that (until resolved) will prevent the positive qualities of Cancer, Capricorn, Jupiter and Mars from being used effectively/correctly".

And that raises the thorny issue of "should 'correctly' be defined in the context of materiality or spirituality?"

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posted February 21, 2021 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DecimaLife     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Graham:
How would your interceptions and duplications be expressed via my suggested formula?


I think it holds, for example my 8th and 9th house like connected. I want to go to abroad to do my masters degree (9th house) but to perform that I need a scholarship (8th house), otherwise I will not choose that university. I also earned scholarship in my bachelors degree. It was not so big (capricorn, limited) but still worth.
Well I think If I solve 2nd, 3rd cancer and 8th,9th cap issues 5th house mystery and 11th house will resolve by itself ?

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Originally posted by DecimaLife:
I think it holds, for example my 8th and 9th house like connected. I want to go to abroad to do my masters degree (9th house) but to perform that I need a scholarship (8th house), otherwise I will not choose that university. I also earned scholarship in my bachelors degree. It was not so big (capricorn, limited) but still worth.
Well I think If I solve 2nd, 3rd cancer and 8th,9th cap issues 5th house mystery and 11th house will resolve by itself ?


I do not have your chart in my computer files, DL ... but think I may have one that is close to it, which has :-

Pisces+Sun+Jupiter intercepted in 11th house; Virgo+NN intercepted in 5th house; Cancer on cusp of 2nd+3rd and Capricorn on cusp of 8th+9th.

If you have the same ... the formula would be :-

An issue in the 2nd+8th houses is adversely affecting the 3rd+9th houses, in a way that (until resolved) will prevent you from the "best"use of the positive qualities of Virgo, Pisces, Sun and Jupiter.

So, as you say, scarce resources (2nd house) require you to get a scholarship (8th house) before you can travel (3rd+9th) to get the education (Sun+Jupiter) required to maximise your potential to serve others (Virgo/Pisces.)

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posted February 21, 2021 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DecimaLife     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Graham:
I do not have your chart in my computer files, DL ... but think I may have one that is close to it, which has :-

Pisces+Sun+Jupiter intercepted in 11th house; Virgo+NN intercepted in 5th house; Cancer on cusp of 2nd+3rd and Capricorn on cusp of 8th+9th.

If you have the same ... the formula would be :-

[b]An issue in the 2nd+8th houses is adversely affecting the 3rd+9th houses, in a way that (until resolved) will prevent you from the "best"use of the positive qualities of Virgo, Pisces, Sun and Jupiter.

So, as you say, scarce resources (2nd house) require you to get a scholarship (8th house) before you can travel (3rd+9th) to get the education (Sun+Jupiter) required to maximise your potential to serve others (Virgo/Pisces.)[/B]


Thanks for analysis, there is one critical point which is very important for me: I hate serving to someone (Pluto in 6th, scorpio 6th house, chiron in 6th). Otherwise it holds

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posted February 21, 2021 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By washing the feet of his disciples, Jesus The Christ taught them that serving others is the key to self-mastery.

There is a substantial difference between serving others and being servile.

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Interesting info, thank you Graham.

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posted March 02, 2021 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Graham:
My belief is that interceptions and duplications can be expressed as a formula.

For example ... I have Cancer+Moon intercepted in 10th house; Capricorn+Jupiter intercepted in 4th house; Virgo duplicated on the cusps of 12th+1st houses; Pisces duplicated on cusps of 6th+7th houses and NO* planets (or Nodes) in the 6th or 12th houses.

And, with those interceptions + duplications, the formula is :-

"an issue in the 6th+12th houses is adversely affecting the 7th+1st houses - in a way that (until resolved) will prevent the positive qualities of Cancer, Moon, Capricorn and Jupiter from being used [b]effectively correctly". ... [ * If there were any planets or nodes in the duplicated houses, these would be involved in the 6th+12th house issue.]
_________________________________________________________________

In my life, this manifested as two parents (Cancer+Moon and Capricorn+Jupiter) who conditioned me in childhood to believe (unquestioningly, because it seemed so obviously "right" to me) that "we should always put the needs of others before those of ourself" (6th+12th houses of service).

And, I did that RELIGIOUSLY/blindly/unquestioningly until the age of 44 ... when a lifetime of doing so finally brought me to the brink of a physical or/and psychological breakdown.

At that time, I was a public-sector workplace manager ... responsible for ensuring that some 60 staff did not lose their jobs to a private-sector competitor (and the only available manager with the knowledge/experience to do so).

And ... only at that point did it dawn on me that - if I had a breakdown, those staff would lose their jobs. ... Hence, I changed my conditioned belief to "we should always put first the greatest need of the group" - and, in this case, me staying healthy was the greatest need of that group.
_________________________________________________________________

I also believe that the issue(s) of our natal interceptions and duplications are actually rooted in a past lifetime ... and that we recreate the adult behaviours/beliefs in the current lifetime, by actively looking for them in our childhood interactions with others. ... Hence, my siblings might not have "picked up" the same conditioned belief as me - despite us being raised by the same two parents. [/B]


I have similar interceptions... Cancer+Sun, Jupiter in the 8th opposite Capricorn Moon in the 2nd... Taurus repeats 6th and 7th cusp, Scorpio 12th and 1st

A lot of what you wrote resonates with me. I feel best when giving and sacrificing myself for others, and while it is in service I do this best (Virgo MC), it comes back to a deep wounding of self worth and value. I actually feel as though this is not just my wounding, but a genetic/inherited lineage wound if that makes sense. It has to do with not only self worth, but trust and stability in relationships.

I find I can access my Cancer and Cap qualities, just not in a balanced way. When I should be nurturing, I run cold (as in with my loved ones). And when I should be expected to run cold, I am nurturing (with strangers). So in other words I find it easier to give selflessly when it doesn't matter, but when I have to trust I cannot give of myself.

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Hey!...

Now if there are planets falling in the intercepted signs it seems is hard for that planet to express itself with ease, maybe it over-functions so it crashes. It may be overfunctioning because the other intercepted sign in the axis is been rejected due to conditioning from childhood and the person refuses to integrate that energy in themselves favoring the other sign from which they are overfunctioning and so this lack of balance leads to disruptions, crashing, shutting down.

I think the intercepted signs can also be about integrating one sign of the axis but neglecting the other because of conditioning but the irony is that rejecting the other side of the polarity makes the other sign which the person embraces too much not function effectively.
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Yes!!!! for me there is no balance. And I burn out easily. I give and give, then retreat and shut down. You really nailed it!

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posted March 02, 2021 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think interceptions may be caused by trauma leading to developmental disruption or by conditioning in childhood that causes the child to suppress that axis or to express the axis in an unbalanced way or it could be that the axis is intercepted because the soul needs to focus more in this life in the signs that are doubled and really connect with that energy and the intercepted signs may have already been overly expressed and integrated in a past life.

Regardless is an adaptive response the person's early environment or a disruption in development due to trauma or a decision the soul made ahead of time to support the soul's personal evolution.

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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
I have similar interceptions... Cancer+Sun, Jupiter in the 8th opposite Capricorn Moon in the 2nd... Taurus repeats 6th and 7th cusp, Scorpio 12th and 1st

A lot of what you wrote resonates with me. I feel best when giving and sacrificing myself for others, and while it is in service I do this best (Virgo MC), it comes back to a deep wounding of self worth and value. I actually feel as though this is not just my wounding, but a genetic/inherited lineage wound if that makes sense. It has to do with not only self worth, but trust and stability in relationships.

I find I can access my Cancer and Cap qualities, just not in a balanced way. When I should be nurturing, I run cold (as in with my loved ones). And when I should be expected to run cold, I am nurturing (with strangers). So in other words I find it easier to give selflessly when it doesn't matter, but when I have to trust I cannot give of myself.



I also was accessing my intercepted Cancer/Capricorn in an unbalanced way ... which manifested in the 10th/4th houses as being a workaholic who did not spend enough quality time with my wife and children.

So, in your case, I'd expect the imbalance to be in 2nd and 8th house activities.

Moreover ... for me ... the adverse 1st/7th house effect of the duplications was that my marriage came close to breaking down, until I finally corrected the 4th/10th house imbalance.

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posted March 09, 2021 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I continue to reflect on this topic...

Is like intercepted signs are an introverted energy in your chart, is there, you have access to it but is expressed in a more introverted way, is not an energy that just oozes out of you, that you vibrate with ease and just express spontaneously without trying like your ascendant but is there working in the background and you may even say you have a very strong intuitive understanding of this energy, you may understand it at a deeper level than people who express it without trying (a more reflective energy than it is expressive) but you don't express it when you interact with the world, is in a closet and sometimes you open the door in the closet and let people see this part of you when the environment shows there is a need for it but it tends to be more internal its presence, and when you do express it, is easier to express it in a more intimate setting bc is introverted and not used to coming out.

LOL

I mean IDK, just brainstorming....

Is almost like is a weakness and also a strength.

But there is a lot of insecurity attached to the intercepted signs, fear accompanies them in some manner and gets in the way of its expression. The fear holds the person back from been able to succeed in those areas and delve into it all way.

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My husband has virgo intercepted but he also has a busy 6th house and Jupiter in virgo so is like VIRGO/6H stuff is something he struggles with but is also a strength, since he doesn't have anything in pisces and the 12H house empty except for chiron you notice the pisces interception more, he needs help balancing out the virgo and pisces axis, opening up to his spiritual side more and allowing himself to have faith and be less negative, he can over identify with his intellectual side, he can learn to let go and surrender but instead he holds on, controls and feels more comfortable been critical than creating space for imperfection and just allowing things to be from time to time, detaching from the need for perfection and the idea of perfection. Yet he is super good at organizing which is the 6H stuff and his jupiter in virgo in action so the virgo/pisces axis needs to balanced out but he also has virgo strengths and this is were looking at the whole chart can influence the interpretation of the interception.

Intercepted Pisces is Ruled by Neptune In Saggy in the 8th. He is very negative about death and feels after you die there is nothingness. Shakes when he thinks of death.

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I am realizing that interceptions can also hint to a yin/yang imbalance, my husband has pisces/virgo intercepted and to the right and left of pisces and virgo there is air and fire so YANG energy, the Yin energy is intercepted. Interestingly enough he had a super spiritual experience while meditating in class in college but he was going through this phase were he was really practicing single mindedness a lot and reading a book on it, is easier to access the YANG fire/air energy outside of the intercepted signs and you have to be more mindful and intentional to tap into the intercepted signs but beautiful things happen when you do.

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