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hypatia238
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posted March 17, 2021 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG Aries23Degrees is BACK!!!!!!!!!!! YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

We love you man!

^^that is my celebration dance for you returning to lindaland LOL

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posted March 17, 2021 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

Libra Mars is similar. The injustice has to be clear, unequivocal and extreme for Libra to say "That's enough" and act to swiftly change things-often employing the harsh/aggressive tactics of their extreme opposite Aries.

Like my father punching the principle in the face who went around slapping students in the face abusing his power, when he tried to do that to my dad he punched him in the face! he was in high school, this was in spain. He has mars in libra square uranus and is a capricorn.

Thanks for sharing your insights on Taurus. I have a client that feels very stuck and has mars in Taurus and that observation you shared about extremes and tapping into the Scorpio part of the axis I feel fits him. He wants to sell luxurious cars and is either that or nothing at all so he is stuck bc selling luxurious cars is not an option at the moment but I will continue to get him to think of small steps to make towards that direction since that is were his motivation is.

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posted March 17, 2021 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I should add the three people I started this thread over are people I care for deeply or appreciate a lot so is coming from a place of love.

Great insights everyone! Thanks.

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posted March 18, 2021 05:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Like my father punching the principle in the face who went around slapping students in the face abusing his power, when he tried to do that to my dad he punched him in the face! he was in high school, this was in spain. He has mars in libra square uranus and is a capricorn.

Thanks for sharing your insights on Taurus. I have a client that feels very stuck and has mars in Taurus and that observation you shared about extremes and tapping into the Scorpio part of the axis I feel fits him. He wants to sell luxurious cars and is either that or nothing at all so he is stuck bc selling luxurious cars is not an option at the moment but I will continue to get him to think of small steps to make towards that direction since that is were his motivation is.



Oh wow. 🤗🤗🤗Thank you for the warm welcome back. I was just laying low. Pluto transit really did a number on me.🤣🤣🤣

With your client,it's likely that the Sat square Mars transit is impacting on that "as I was doing in life" outlook that Mars in Tau can adopt through restriction energy.Or else the Uranus conj is calling for change to reflect the current financial reality brought on by the pandemic?

Either way both Sat/Ura is delays. Sat is delays in living the way one used to live I.e having to descale and compress the lifestyle.And Ura is delays through interruption or having to change the way one does things.

Ura/Sat both rule Aqu and Cap(I think Ura has an influence in Cap too tbh). So their effect by transit can be very similar. Different approach, similar result: CHANGE.

What motivates Mars in Tau is cash, the promise of comfort/ease or relaxation. When they perceive something as "hard", they lose the oomph to do anything. Unless it's "hard" but has "long term beneficial outcomes".

For this however, the life of the client will have to be "interrupted"- which Tau absolutely despises.

In your client's case, its likely that their daily routine is not affected (much) right now. Which is why they feel like they can resist the changes afoot. They still want to ignore what's happening to people outside of themselves (Aqua Sat)

Look at progressed Mars too.I didn't realize this because I couldn't explain why I feel such "urgency". I have it in Sco 8 degrees and the transit of Uranus Tau opposing it is jolting me out of passivity too.

In the same breath however, I don't have a lot of energy.There is a lack of zest right now and a feeling of being "hemmed" in that I have to deal with.So I do what I can, when I can(Sat Aqua).

When in crisis mode, Tau can(at best) act quickly to secure their life. It need not get there ofcourse. But sometimes it HAS to in order to jolt them out of their comfort zone into a "wait,this is going to affect my'food/income/lifestyle'mode of thinking.

Then they will readily unearth the inner "Scorpio"/Mars survival instinct that often lay dormant beneath the passive Ven-ruled Tau nature.

At worst however, one can just be stubborn and resist, resist, resist. This even when the home they are living in catches fire. The urgency to act will be met with a lot of resistance (by them).🙆🏿‍♂️

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posted March 18, 2021 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SDragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Taurus Sun, Mercury, Venus & Mars (Conjunct)

So you'll have to discern which aspect of Taurus is specifically Mars as I probably couldn't tell you myself. But for my personal experience, I feel my Mars as a blanket of contentedness that filters over the environment and is like, you got food? you got shelter? you got a placid harmony going on? cool, let's sit and BE and enjoy this moment for eternity. But in that environment, there's a discernment and receptivity towards all that is not harmonious in the environment and a desire to beautify it or to return it to balance.

And then there's the crux of Mars in Taurus. How do you go about 'fixing' this environment without something else becoming disharmonious? Mars in Taurus (detriment) tends to make these actions more complex then they need to be. Some will stay in an abusive relationship or dead-end job because it's just 'easier'. Others will let the festering Mars in Taurus get the better of them and explode in some manor which is all the more terrifying because it's so rarely seen. Others will 'try' to act like Mars in Aries because that's how they think society wants them to be, yet fail to be true to their nature.

So Yes, one can say that Mars in Taurus lacks motivation and drive, but it may be thus because the 'society' we live in is more extroverted and geared towards doing and achievement. But part of the issue with Mars in Taurus is that the impetus for motivation and drive must be self-initiated. Once that is discovered, they can become the tortoise that plods along day after day and yet gets the farthest.

"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step." - Lao Tzu

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posted March 18, 2021 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chanterelle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
"oh **** a kaleidoscope time to wander around looking at the mess instead of cleaning it" (this literally would happen every time i found that kaleidoscope, then i'd put it down and forget it existed until the next time)


😄 This made me laugh because my Cap Mars has been knee-deep in a Lego pirate ship ever since my son’s birthday.

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posted March 18, 2021 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SDragon:
I feel my Mars as a blanket of contentedness that filters over the environment and is like, you got food? you got shelter? you got a placid harmony going on? cool, let's sit and BE and enjoy this moment for eternity.

hahahahahahah Bless your heart.

One of my clients that I really appreciate tremendously, we have great conversations, one of the values he has is "simplicity," he prefers to call them "ideals." We were talking about "I Want" versus "I should" and I used a visual to talk about it and then he tapped into the visual and he said to me: my "I want circle" is very small and my "I should" circle is very big and the two circles don't have an area were they overlap.

Your comment really resonates with my brother too I feel, he has mars in taurus conjunct moon. I think he "wants more" because he feels he "should" want more, it comes from all that conditioning from the world but not so much bc he truly wants more and that is the disconnect, if you don't truly want something deep down and you are operating from a place of "I should want more" it probably wont happen, you won't truly go for it with the passion that it requires for it to manifest itself but the cognitive dissonance they can experience from that disconnect between "I want" and "I should" and expectations they feel the world has of them makes them feel like there is something wrong with them and like they don't belong and this results in depression or anxiety or both.

I appreciate it so much everyone's input, I feel I am really understanding these folks better at their core. Thank you and bless you all with mars in taurus, I do enjoy your presence and talking with you all.

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posted March 18, 2021 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SDragon:

"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step." - Lao Tzu


Great quote!

Very true and that is the strategy I am working with but they have to figure out for themselves what first step they are willing to take.

Tortoise is one of my spirit totems along with the eagle, I love the motto "slow but steady wins the race."

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posted March 18, 2021 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I should add that there are issues with self worth at play here at least with some people with this placement, the person with an "I want" small circle has low self worth and feels they don't deserve to want things so is a combo of things for sure, society expectations clashing with their value for simplicity and also self worth stuff.

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In fact "I want" sounds very similar to "I desire" which is the Scorpio domain and Taurus is at the opposite Axis of Scorpio which deals more with "I need" (e.g. shelter, food) instead of "I desire." Fascinating!

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posted March 18, 2021 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

Oh wow. 🤗🤗🤗Thank you for the warm welcome back. I was just laying low. Pluto transit really did a number on me.🤣🤣🤣

I was worried about you,I hope you are okay and in a better place.

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With your client,it's likely that the Sat square Mars transit is impacting on that "as I was doing in life" outlook that Mars in Tau can adopt through restriction energy.Or else the Uranus conj is calling for change to reflect the current financial reality brought on by the pandemic?

Either way both Sat/Ura is delays. Sat is delays in living the way one used to live I.e having to descale and compress the lifestyle.And Ura is delays through interruption or having to change the way one does things.

Ura/Sat both rule Aqu and Cap(I think Ura has an influence in Cap too tbh). So their effect by transit can be very similar. Different approach, similar result: CHANGE.


He has been feeling stuck for about a year and a half, he quit his job about 6 months before covid happened, he had that moment of "enough is enough" with the job he had and has decided he will never do that type of work ever again. However, he started seeing me this year.

This particular client though his case is very complex, I just gave you a little detail about him.

But I loove your input on saturn and uranus transits! yes both lead to change for different reasons

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When in crisis mode, Tau can(at best) act quickly to secure their life. It need not get there ofcourse. But sometimes it HAS to in order to jolt them out of their comfort zone into a "wait,this is going to affect my'food/income/lifestyle'mode of thinking.

Then they will readily unearth the inner "Scorpio"/Mars survival instinct that often lay dormant beneath the passive Ven-ruled Tau nature.

At worst however, one can just be stubborn and resist, resist, resist. This even when the home they are living in catches fire. The urgency to act will be met with a lot of resistance (by them).🙆🏿‍♂️


Beautifully put

Yes is like there is a spectrum in how it can play out and that is a good visual of how the worst case scenario can play out with this placement.

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posted March 19, 2021 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Hypatia238 🤣

I survived the transit.And became an Uncle in the process.😁

But what is now troubling/confusing,is Neptune transiting in 12th arcing to square my Jup/Sun/Nep. 😶

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Taurus has a lot of energy to offer, but it's more like a matter of personal choice for them to reserve that energy for when things really need to be adjusted. I do know a couple of pretty active Mars in Taurus people. One of them has a successful business and the other one travels frequently.

I have seen the most major issues with Taurus Mars being struggling with extra weight particularly from the waist down, and for both men and women taking extra time to commit to a relationship or marriage.
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posted March 19, 2021 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Thank you Hypatia238 🤣

I survived the transit.And became an Uncle in the process.😁

But what is now troubling/confusing,is Neptune transiting in 12th arcing to square my Jup/Sun/Nep. 😶


Many congrats on becoming an uncle! I can only imagine the many interesting conversations you will have with your nephew or niece as they grow up.

Tr Neptune conjuncts my moon and all that is squaring my nodes and it has not been bad at all, I feel if anything it has cleared out the fog, they say you have to be lost and confused first before you see clearly and find your way so maybe neptune has two sides of it.

I am honestly just over politics and this big collective drama triangle and the lies, the BS, corruption and divisiveness that comes with it, I wonder if this transit has helped me step out of all that. I am a healer and adventurer, trends and drama and everything under the sun come and go and I dont care to get wrapped up in it any more, is like I stepped out of it and I can feel it, I don't see myself ever getting sucked into that again and maybe that is neptune in the works, seeing all the illusions and rising above it, transcending it all and seeing it for what it is.

If you got through that Pluto transit you will do fine with Neptune specially with how intuitive you are yet also grounded.

Going through my own pluto transit right now, I have sun semisextile pluto exact and transit pluto is squaring my pluto and trining my sun and forming a T-Square with my pluto and atropos, you add that my pluto is part of a golden yod with chiron and moon and it has been a bit intense, there is this side of me coming out, my inner kaali, there is also stuff coming to the surface to be examined and healed so stuff is getting dealt with and cleared.

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OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG Aries23Degrees is BACK!!!!!!!!!!! YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

We love you man!

^^that is my celebration dance for you returning to lindaland LOL

Okay I need to resize that now, be back in a few!


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I have two friends with this placement.
One is a guy and he really does have trouble moving I feel. He complains about his circumstances a lot (they are awful to be fair) but does not really act much on it.

The other one is a woman. She also has sun in Pisces and moon in Cancer. She is an absolute workaholic and go getter. She goes after what she wants and works a lot to achieve her dreams. So, she is very different in this respect than my other Mars in Taurus friend.

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posted March 29, 2021 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have two friends with this placement.
One is a guy and he really does have trouble moving I feel. He complains about his circumstances a lot (they are awful to be fair) but does not really act much on it.

The other one is a woman. She also has sun in Pisces and moon in Cancer. She is an absolute workaholic and go getter. She goes after what she wants and works a lot to achieve her dreams. So, she is very different in this respect than my other Mars in Taurus friend.


Interesting is her mars falling in a cardinal house ? What are her mars aspects? if you happen to know, if not I get it.

My brother does have a master's degree, he managed to push himself slowly but did not give up until he reached this goal and he has mars in Taurus but he does move slow and is stuck but I do think his mars in the 10th helped him reach this goal which he worked super hard for, it took a lot from him but he did it.

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posted March 30, 2021 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Interesting is her mars falling in a cardinal house ? What are her mars aspects? if you happen to know, if not I get it.

I don't know because I don't have her birth time but I checked aspects to slower moving planets and she has Mars trine Neptune and Mars opposite Pluto (this one is under 2 degrees). It would be interesting to find out what house Mars occupies in her chart but I very much doubt that she knows her birth time. She doesn't believe in astrology at all. I wouldn't be surprised if it was in the 10th house. I have Mars in Pisces but I'm quite a go getter as well despite the square to Neptune (my Mars conjuncts the sun, trines the moon, the ascendant and Uranus though). Me and her are similar in this respect as we are both very quick in acting. When we do something (career wise) we both do it proper and fast. She is as impatient as I am
So yeah I could imagine it being in the 10th, like mine.

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posted March 30, 2021 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I don't know because I don't have her birth time but I checked aspects to slower moving planets and she has Mars trine Neptune and Mars opposite Pluto (this one is under 2 degrees). It would be interesting to find out what house Mars occupies in her chart but I very much doubt that she knows her birth time. She doesn't believe in astrology at all. I wouldn't be surprised if it was in the 10th house. I have Mars in Pisces but I'm quite a go getter as well despite the square to Neptune (my Mars conjuncts the sun, trines the moon, the ascendant and Uranus though). Me and her are similar in this respect as we are both very quick in acting. When we do something (career wise) we both do it proper and fast. She is as impatient as I am
So yeah I could imagine it being in the 10th, like mine.


Well the thread is about Mars in Taurus which is a fixed sign, pisces is more adaptive, the only thing I have noticed about mars in pisces is that they let go easily and can move on if a romantic interest doesn't flow with ease, they won't get worked up about it and just let it go, almost like they won't go out of their way for a love interest, if it happens it happens. You have great mars aspects, conjunct your sun and trine moon and your ascendant, that will definitely make you a go getter and pisces is adaptive so that combo would work out well I feel, You are also saying you have mars in the 10th.

Your friend having mars in taurus and been impatient is interesting, I am thinking her venus is in aries then since venus rules her mars. I am very confident about my observations of mars in Taurus to be clear but there can be exceptions as real nice aspects can make a big difference, her having mars opposite pluto is probably a big reason why she is driven and perhaps her mars also aspects her ascendant.

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Well the thread is about Mars in Taurus which is a fixed sign, pisces is more adaptive, the only thing I have noticed about mars in pisces is that they let go easily and can move on if a romantic interest doesn't flow with ease, they won't get worked up about it and just let it go, almost like they won't go out of their way for a love interest, if it happens it happens. You have great mars aspects, conjunct your sun and trine moon and your ascendant, that will definitely make you a go getter and pisces is adaptive so that combo would work out well I feel, You are also saying you have mars in the 10th.

Your friend having mars in taurus and been impatient is interesting, I am thinking her venus is in aries then since venus rules her mars. I am very confident about my observations of mars in Taurus to be clear but there can be exceptions as real nice aspects can make a big difference, her having mars opposite pluto is probably a big reason why she is driven and perhaps her mars also aspects her ascendant.



I thought I'd just add my Mars and the house it's in because it might give conclusions to the house her Mars is in as that is what you asked me (as her and I are rather similar in Mars related topics).
I do agree with you about Mars in Taurus and it's so interesting how its energy can be altered by aspects and the house it's in, right?
I guess being driven and not giving up can be attested to Mars in Taurus as well. She has had her dream of becoming a voice actor for a long time but she worked many other unrelated jobs beforehand before she eventually got her dream job. She never lost sight of it though and she was already in her early 30's when she got it. So perseverance is something I'd say would be Mars in Taurus. Would you agree?

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posted March 30, 2021 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I thought I'd just add my Mars and the house it's in because it might give conclusions to the house her Mars is in as that is what you asked me (as her and I are rather similar in Mars related topics).
I do agree with you about Mars in Taurus and it's so interesting how its energy can be altered by aspects and the house it's in, right?
I guess being driven and not giving up can be attested to Mars in Taurus as well. She has had her dream of becoming a voice actor for a long time but she worked many other unrelated jobs beforehand before she eventually got her dream job. She never lost sight of it though and she was already in her early 30's when she got it. So perseverance is something I'd say would be Mars in Taurus. Would you agree?


My mother has Mars opposite Pluto and she is the most driven woman I have ever met in my life, I have met a lot of mars in Taurus and I would not describe them as driven, they are very interesting in other ways but I would not say driven is how I would describe them.

Pluto is a force and when it meets mars the planet of action is unstoppable so her drive I would attribute it to that aspect more, my brother with mars in Taurus conjunct moon in the 10th, I would never describe him as driven or unstoppable but my mother with mars opposite Pluto yes.

My mother got married at the age of 21 and graduated from medical school at 23 with my brother in her arms, she later on immigrated to the US and then did her residency here, passed exam and was able to practice medicine here as well, she got a job working at Jackson Memorial Hospital for the University of Miami, in her country of origin she directed a department at hospital she worked at and started a foundation for kids with congenital diseases and chromosomal abnormalities that is still operating today, she wrote a book, led medical missions with students from the University of Miami at multiple 3rd world countries, and co-led a show for a long time with a famous priest in Miami all this while struggling with ADD and anxiety and ongoing health issues, nothing stops her or slows her down, she got straights As her whole life too despite her ADD (I saw the report cards and she went to private school), that is the power of her drive and determination and the power of Mars opposite Pluto that I have witnessed first hand. I admire her for all this and will criticize her too for other things but I definitely give credit were credit is do.

I don't know you and your friend but I am sure you are very different, I wonder if the Pisces in you is making you see each other as very similar, nobody is very similar in my opinion, Pisces sometimes sees people they care about as extension of themselves.

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posted March 30, 2021 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had a lover with mars in taurus opposite pluto, it was a wide opposition though but bc his pluto and mars were on his AC/DC angles the opposition did play out in him, he was unstoppable, he worked a crazy amount of hours, definitely a workaholic like my mother but he was also in survival mode, I dont think mars opposite pluto feels comfortable slowing down, they like to keep very busy. I attribute his interest in the senses and BDSM to his mars in taurus but I have to include the opposition to PLUTO too in that as he liked to be control and call the shots without the opposition to pluto that would not be the case. My mother is in charge, a leader, likes to push and direct, my brother is submissive.

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I don't know you and your friend but I am sure you are very different, I wonder if the Pisces in you is making you see each other as very similar, nobody is very similar in my opinion, Pisces sometimes sees people they care about as extension of themselves.

We met in a career setting and worked together on a project (she was part of a film producer team and I was the scriptwriter) and her and I worked really well together because we were both very quick to react (because we are so impatient) and liked each others ideas. The other two of the group were literal slugs compared to us and nowhere as committed. We are committed and fast also when we don't work together, that's why I said we were similar in this respect. I usually never come across people like that in my work life - it's usually people who act and react much slower so I loved that. She is definitely much much more of a workaholic than I am though. I do need my times of leisure and contemplation
Never heard of the extension of self that is attributed to Pisces. It's funny because I rarely see any similarities between me and other people (including family and friends). My dad who is Aries does that though, as well as a former friend (Cap) and my boyfriend (Taurus) sometimes as well. They see similarities when they are none in my opinion. They all have moon in Pisces.

Your mother sounds amazing. Such a boss!!

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