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Anemone
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posted April 30, 2021 06:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anemone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anybody have a better insight into this fixed star conjunctions? I am (very unhappily) married and separated at this point - I found out recently by re-doing our natals and composite chart that Vindemiatrix is conjunct my estranged spouse’s JUNO 😳 exact and conjuncts our composite ascendant by 2’.

I am worried reading the interpretation of this star aspecting THE marriage asteroid and also conjuncting our comp ascendant seeing it is referred to as The Widowmaker 🤦🏻‍♀️

Anyone has any insight on this one?

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mirage29
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posted April 30, 2021 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vindermiatrix {aka The Widow Maker} was triggered in a recent lunation in one of our LL-member's chart.

Event happened coincidently with Full Moon Libra 8+ on March 28-- Moon conjunct degree of WidowMaker's star in Libra.

Her 'partner' had a sudden heart-attack and wound up in a hospital for treatment. (He is okay, and recovering at home now.) I don't know if Fixed-Stars count as an influence if it is on the cusp-degree of an inner house. .. Meaning, it's not on the degree of the ASC/DESC, IC/MC points in a chart...
And, it wasn't conjunct any of her planet/luminary/points.
However, it was near her Placidus 12th House Cusp-- and I 'noticed' the "coincidence." Her partner could have Died!

For your own curiosity, there's an Arabic Part (Lot) called "Part of Widowhood". You might explore if that plays any part in the energies of your charts.

Vindermiatrix also has other associations.
Found prominent in charts of people who work as Engineers, Architects.
{If I'm remembering that correctly.}

The orb has to be very tight.
Degree before, OF, and after.
Also, {if memory serves me, I've read that} Fixed Stars 'cast no rays' -- meaning, they make no other aspects THAN the conjunction.

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Anemone
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posted April 30, 2021 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anemone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the reply!
I am just worried that it is too much of a coincidence that my spouse has JUNO (the marriage asteroid) in Libra conjunct this fixed star exact and also it conjuncts our composite Ascendant. Looks pretty significant to me!
Is it possible that it points to death of marriage/relationship - because we are separated - rather than death of spouse? The latter is pretty chilling to me, I mean, i am the wife!

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Dumuzi
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posted May 01, 2021 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mirage29:
Vindermiatrix {aka The Widow Maker} was triggered in a recent lunation in one of our LL-member's chart.

Event happened coincidently with Full Moon Libra 8+ on March 28-- Moon conjunct degree of WidowMaker's star in Libra.

Her 'partner' had a sudden heart-attack and wound up in a hospital for treatment. (He is okay, and recovering at home now.) I don't know if Fixed-Stars count as an influence if it is on the cusp-degree of an inner house. .. Meaning, it's not on the degree of the ASC/DESC, IC/MC points in a chart...
And, it wasn't conjunct any of her planet/luminary/points.
However, it was near her Placidus 12th House Cusp-- and I 'noticed' the "coincidence." Her partner could have Died!

For your own curiosity, there's an Arabic Part (Lot) called "Part of Widowhood". You might explore if that plays any part in the energies of your charts.

Vindermiatrix also has other associations.
Found prominent in charts of people who work as Engineers, Architects.
{If I'm remembering that correctly.}

The orb has to be very tight.
Degree before, OF, and after.
Also, {if memory serves me, I've read that} Fixed Stars 'cast no rays' -- meaning, they make no other aspects THAN the conjunction.


conjunction or opposition 2 degree orbs from what I remember, no other aspects and the conjunction carries more weight

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posted May 01, 2021 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Is it possible that it points to death of marriage/relationship - because we are separated - rather than death of spouse? The latter is pretty chilling to me, I mean, i am the wife!


Understandable! ..
The matter 'most' on your mind right now is the health of your Relationship. Unless there was abuse involved, 'separations' are really very painful, especially when 'the Love' is still there, and the couple are having problems relating to each other.

(Have you considered appointments with {a pastor or} relationship counselor yet?)

Transiting Juno in Sagittarius made a 'square' to your Juno Libra in mid-January 2021 (this year). Right now, Juno has been retrograde, to revisit the square in mid-July of this year.

Transiting Saturn in Aquarius will be retrograde and in trine to your Juno Libra (at the same time as Juno comes back to the square) in mid-August this year. The North Node in Gemini (and South in Sag) (which move backwards} may also highlight your chart-Juno Libra at the same time.

Transiting VESTA {devotion} will conjunct your Juno Libra in early-mid-August (same year).

Transiting VENUS will be in her other rulership sign Libra and conjunct your Juno Libra week of Aug 22nd.

In Demetra George & Douglas Bloch's book, Asteroid Goddesses, they say that JUNO describes those qualities that we seek in our 'ideal' mate. Juno in Libra .. wants to find 'balance' in the relationship.
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Juno in Libra individuals need to feel as an equal and require a fair give-and-take in their relationship. Consultation from their partner on decision-making, and respect and approval for their ideas, are required.
When equality needs are not being met, this individual can become uncooperative, excessively competitive, or can even engage in direct combat.

Anemone, if any of that 'direct combat' does become physically negative in your relationship, then that is not a 'safe' situation for a wife to 'be' in.


You said in your original post that you are "very unhappily married and separated."

You are 'conflicted' about staying and working it out, or just allowing the relationship to go-in-Peace? August would seem to be an important deciding-month concerning that?

I don't know how well Fixed Stars are a prognosticators in Composite charts.

But you have Libra as your Composite Ascendant. Look over what is said about Libra and ruler Venus, and how they operate in your Compo, AND your natals.

Around that August time period, Ceres will have arrived in sign of Gemini (communications), and will trine your degree of Juno.
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Communication. Nurturing each other with communications; feeling self-acceptance .. or, attempts to verbally manipulate in a competition against each other?

(Let us know how it goes.)

In the case of abuse, including verbal abuse, I leave this song.

AND, I'm hoping for the Best for what you want to happen.
Worrying about 'death'?,, as you said, Yes, death of a relationship can bring on Grief, even some depression for a while.

You began the relationship with Happy Ever After feelings as you made solemn oaths to 'be' together, till 'death' do you part.

This would feel like a 'death' to you.
Doesn't have to be literal.

Sending you MUCH Love.

Lyric: It ain't love, if it's mean, Evangeline..
(music) Evangeline (Little Big Town)
[4:34] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzzdf7rerfg

{wow, I don't want to end this post!
Sending you supportive vibes!!!!}

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mirage29
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posted May 01, 2021 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RE: Fixed Star Vindermiatrix
and aspects.

quote:
Originally posted by Dumuzi:
conjunction or opposition 2 degree orbs from what I remember, no other aspects and the conjunction carries more weight.

Thanks Dumuzi.
Transiting Chiron has been in Aries, opposite the Libra degrees in-mention.

Chiron, the wounded and the wound-er.
Chiron would be in the 7th right now for you?
You decide.

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Anemone
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posted May 01, 2021 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anemone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi mirage!

Thanks so much for your reply! Just to be clear, it is HIS Juno in Libra conjunct exactly this Fixed Star. That is why I am so worried! Because if that sognifies death of spouse well...I AM the spouse!
My own Juno is in virgo, first degree.
And our composite Ascendant is at 11’ Libra, conjunct Vindemiatrix by 2’.

So I hope all this means death of our relationship and not MY physical death

I hope I clarified it better now

PS. No, there is no going back, there was abuse involved, mentally and psychologically, he practically terrorized me and went psychotic on me. This is over. I just need to know the dangers this aspect point to me.

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posted May 08, 2021 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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mirage29
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posted May 08, 2021 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good. Glad you got away.
You're not 'born' to be someone's scapegoat and punching-bag-- whether in body, and emotionally.
Kudos for taking CARE of yourself.
Too many women get killed by an abusive partner.

Are you safe, as far as him becoming a stalker?
Hope all goes well.
Make sure the people in your immediate social circles know what's going on. Make sure one or two trusted individuals will keep 'his tracing information' on hand-- just in case police would need it.
Being super-cautious for my Sisters here.
We keep each other safe.

The 'bond' between you and him IS broken, in the energetic realms because your own Will makes it so.

Then, I guess the only thing left is that you're waiting on the legal separation time to be over (fulfilled), and the legal divorce papers finalized by The Judge.


I'm sad that 'a relationship' ended for you.
Take good care of yourself-- Heal.

I remember when mine ended--
was emotionally quite painful.
Felt like someone ripped my arms straight out their sockets.
Couldn't bear to see couples for a while.

Take Care

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