posted July 12, 2021 02:48 AM            

This aspect mixed with Pisces Sun and Venus conjunction Neptune has made it where I'm unconsciously supposed to suffer for other people's actions. Women tend to either act too busy for me every single time or just straight up try to fight me. Men never have my back and I have to go into freaking detail what is wrong and why they feel how they feel. I've always felt like a spiritual uncle or dad of some sort. I get disrespected by guys trying to be cool or whatever and when I have had enough of it they want to make it up. If that doesn't happen, it seems I attract the biggest weirdos and stalkers. Most of the time if someone likes me right off the bat then I know they want to screw me over or secretly want to stalk me like I'm an animal. I am not making this up.

I get tired of always being the center of attention and the scapegoat for idle energy. I am extremely self efficient and spiritually viable. It's gotten to the point where I've become fearful of being in the moment. I have so many stories. Pluto and Mars make me dynamic and engaged but other than that it is pretty scary being such a pure soul. I can say honestly that I have no intent to ever mistreat or manipulate anyone for my own gain. I just wish the world had more respect for ethics and morals. Instead it seems the bigger prick you are the more people like you and the more girls think your "in control of your emotions". We have men out here that will do anything to experience fake love. I don't see the point in sharing my music or contributing to a cause larger than myself when hardly anybody understands or appreciates it, unless they feel like it.

posted July 12, 2021 09:03 AM            

virgo sun is trine neptune, square saturn, sextile pluto

that all being said you seem to be lacking in self awareness with the way you describe yourself as some martyr who can't figure out why you have difficulty with other people

the one conversation we had you got defensive, jumped down my throat for asking you to explain your position with more clarity and just generally acted ******

problems you have with other people are undoubtedly not all their fault

i doubt this is just 1st house pluto/mars square ascendant ****

i mean i argue with people unintentionally, but i can lack tact and then double down on it, i'm aware i do this so it's not really like a martyr thing or some **** 🤷‍♀️

people who have had hard lives can be ****** too, all depends on where you go with it and what you do with that pain

i've had a hard life and i've grown through suffering, but many abusive people have had hard lives too, plenty of people who rape/murder etc have had hard lives

posted July 16, 2021 01:27 PM            

Everytime you express who you are, you are faced with backlash. Your refusal to align to other's expectation is met with disapproval.

You often feel like you have to "prove" yourself- even if that means going solo. You are not afraid.

This aspect is definitely "ouch!" As it can make you sensitive to criticism. And you may not care about winning popularity contests- which can make you seem "rude" & "obnoxious".

This doesn't win you friends or alliances. And could invariably make your road longer. You are intent to make it all on your own. The song "I did it my way" by Frank Sinatra comes to mind(he has Mars sextile Asc).

Come to think of it, this latter aspect suggests that he was supported and found charming (this regardless of how abrupt(Mars)he got).I read that he was supported by the mob to reach the pinnacles of his success.

So in his case, it wasn't so much "I did it my way" but "I got a lot of support when I did it my way"💁🏿‍♂️

posted July 16, 2021 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Mars square Asc.

Everytime you express who you are, you are faced with backlash. Your refusal to align to other's expectation is met with disapproval.

You often feel like you have to "prove" yourself- even if that means going solo. You are not afraid.

This aspect is definitely "ouch!" As it can make you sensitive to criticism. And you may not care about winning popularity contests- which can make you seem "rude" & "obnoxious".

This doesn't win you friends or alliances. And could invariably make your road longer. You are intent to make it all on your own. The song "I did it my way" by Frank Sinatra comes to mind(he has Mars sextile Asc).

Come to think of it, this latter aspect suggests that he was supported and found charming (this regardless of how abrupt(Mars)he got).I read that he was supported by the mob to reach the pinnacles of his success.

So in his case, it wasn't so much "I did it my way" but "I got a lot of support when I did it my way"💁🏿‍♂️

With Mars square the Asc, you are not so lucky.

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maybe it's that i have venus on my ascendant but i wouldn't say that's been the case for me

i can definitely get that from some people, where me being myself rubs them the wrong way and they'll say as much but i get the opposite too

to a large degree i get love or hate generally and people don't typically feel indifferent to me

i'm good with that because i'm a take it or leave it kind of person, you like me cool you don't like me oh well **** you there's plenty of other people 🤷‍♀️

posted July 22, 2021 04:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
maybe it's that i have venus on my ascendant but i wouldn't say that's been the case for me

i can definitely get that from some people, where me being myself rubs them the wrong way and they'll say as much but i get the opposite too

to a large degree i get love or hate generally and people don't typically feel indifferent to me

i'm good with that because i'm a take it or leave it kind of person, you like me cool you don't like me oh well **** you there's plenty of other people 🤷‍♀️

dont care about proving myself though, too much effort to do that and too much concern placed on others to achieve it

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posted July 23, 2021 04:07 PM            

People put me through too much for too long, and now everyone is mad I quit on people. Well, that is what happens when you keep abusing the honest nature of a guy..you love the world so much then you can take of it. Some people are focused on things that are eternal than temporary, this life means nothing to me anymore and like all the other spirtiual guides I'm seperating myself as far away from humans as possible. Everything is motivated by paranoia. It's all about getting ahead by any cost. If you want riches and relevancy in this world you have to surrender to it's power and use manipulation and violence to level up.

posted July 25, 2021 06:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
maybe it's that i have venus on my ascendant but i wouldn't say that's been the case for me

i can definitely get that from some people, where me being myself rubs them the wrong way and they'll say as much but i get the opposite too

to a large degree i get love or hate generally and people don't typically feel indifferent to me

i'm good with that because i'm a take it or leave it kind of person, you like me cool you don't like me oh well **** you there's plenty of other people 🤷‍♀️

dont care about proving myself though, too much effort to do that and too much concern placed on others to achieve it

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This resonates with me much more than the previous description. Perfectly stated!

I boldly embrace who I am and many people love it and/or are inspired by it. I do have others who it rubs the wrong way and they get envious or jealous. But I honestly don't give AF either way lol

I'm always going to be true to myself and my core. Whilst being fair.

posted July 25, 2021 12:25 PM            

Pluto on the other hand, while it can be painfully sensitive, can also be a little over self absorbed/too self centered and that is MUCH of the cause of it's suffering. All self centered people are unhappy to the degree of their self centeredness. Self/ego is the root of most suffering, though body imbalances can certainly contribute in a number of cases as well. Attunement to Love, positive service to others, and a balanced body is what helps us to become more joyful, appreciative, and at peace within.

Dumuzi made some good points I think.

But I can relate to some aspects of what you talk about. In my case, I experience a lot of rejection from others. It has been a rather painful and lonely life for me for the most part. Sometimes I want to leave this world. But I know I came here for service and spiritual growth purposes, and so I stay for that. If I didn't have that "contract" so to speak, I would be like, see yah later. This is not my homeworld and I do not fit in here for the most part.

But it is the ego that is pained by this more than anything else. And my internal guidance has clearly pointed out that this pattern is (in my case at least), not really anyone's fault, not theirs nor mine, it is just a matter of a difference of vibrational wavelengths and that Like attracts, begets, resonates with, and likes Like, and unlike tends to repel on the deeper levels. (There is an opposite pattern in the earth, on a personality level, where opposites attract, but that is a different subject).

It is just something that I have to live with and accept, and thankfully I do have some people in my life that do like, respect, and are attracted to me. So I try to focus on that and the positives. At times, it is easier to focus on the negatives and on the pain, but so much about life and our inner state relates to our consistent focus, and it's we that have power over that, to shift that and perspectives.

I have a friend who is like me in that he lives a rather lonely and isolated life for the most part (most people just are not attracted to getting close to him on any deeper level), but he has handled it differently than me. He keeps in communion a lot more with his Soul and Spirit family via deep meditation, and that keeps him more centered and more appreciative for life. He has been told by his guidance that he and I are primarily here for retrieval, and that it's important work, and he has told his guidance, he will stay as long as they want him to stay here. For the most part, he is joyful and appreciative to be alive.