posted July 29, 2021 11:45 AM            

I am pregnant and am going to have an abortion. It is the second time.

posted July 29, 2021 05:16 PM            

I think you would check on Lilith for this aversion to having children. Lilith rules abortions. There is lilith the asteroid but there is also lilith h13 and h21 (you would have to go to extended chart selection @ astro.com).

posted July 29, 2021 05:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
What is Neptune/Sat and Uranus doing? Any connection to the 5th?

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posted July 30, 2021 07:28 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
My husband's Saturn conjuncts his 5th house ruler and he had a ton of anxiety about having children and did not want to have kids for a long time, he wants to now but he is 40.

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Oh ok. I read your post. So you two are finally ready. I wish it works out for y'all 👌🏿

I always think that a child that is wanted is consciously loved more than a child that is "tolerated " because they(child) has arrived and "is non returnable".💁🏿‍♂️

I am almost 40(37 now) and I wouldn't mind two. If it happens. It happens. If ir doesn't. It doesn't.

The thing is that rhe universe tends to not give you what you so desperately want WHEN you want it. It gives you when you have stopped focusing on the subject matter.

So when you are no longer focused on that subject and have relaxed your gaze on it, BOOM!! **** erupts. And it happens. But when still obsessed with it. It delays. Very strange.

I have put the request out there. I don't know how it'll happen.I don't talk about it.I stay off the subject.It's up to alignment from here on.It could be at 40? 41? 45? Or even 50? Perhaps never? Either way,I must just be happy in my life regardless. 🙏🏿

posted July 30, 2021 07:59 AM            

I am waiting to abort at the limit of legality (14 weeks), so that the cells of the fetus clean my body.

Although I told the father of the child that I have already had an abortion so as not to have problems.

If I understand that spiritually abortion is not a good idea ... Since according to I have read the embryo's soul curses its father and mother for not allowing it to be born 😐
Since the baby's soul chose his father and mother, and his soul was hovering around them to know which parents were the ones that child wanted.

posted July 30, 2021 11:48 AM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
Having children is overrated.
But if it is true that it has its benefits, as the cells of the fetus renew your whole body, and the soul.

I am waiting to abort at the limit of legality (14 weeks), so that the cells of the fetus clean my body.

Although I told the father of the child that I have already had an abortion so as not to have problems.

If I understand that spiritually abortion is not a good idea ... Since according to I have read the embryo's soul curses its father and mother for not allowing it to be born 😐
Since the baby's soul chose his father and mother, and his soul was hovering around them to know which parents were the ones that child wanted.

And looking in perspective, yes, I think I have a curse on me, and my ex, the father of the previous child, has not done very well either 🤢

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I'm not sure about the whole "baby cursing the parents because they didn't want it to be born" thing. I don't think that's necessarily accurate because there are many births that never materialize for various other reasons that also leave the soul "hanging"(if we are to continue on that chain of thought). Would the soul hold a "grudge" if the hosts body rejects it(through no express action by the host)?

I think "intent" here carries a huge momentum.The conscious decision on whether to have a baby or not is something more internally based than an "obligation" by an external soul just waiting for a 'vessel' through which it'll come through.

We are all interconnected and the baby is an extension of that intent imo. And perhaps sometimes its intent and will is stronger than the parent it comes through? Which would kind of explain the reason that we have "miracle" babies born under very difficult circumstances?

They may have all odds "against" them. But survive nevertheless🤷🏿‍♂️. There are stories of this the world over.

The reason I chose Nep and Uranus is because i think that babies with this energy attached to their birthchart are more detached to physical existence. Always looking to "opt out" whenever thet want.

Neptune children may be happy being a "formless" void. Existing in possibility and not-one-thing (nothing) with no intent to individuate(Mars).

I think I am such a person. I think i could have died at birth(given my mom's testimony about it). I was still drunk inlove with non physicality (Nep conj Sun EXACT natally). But the Mars opp Asc also enhanced my need to come through as an INDIVIDUAL.

Uranus can change their mind at the 11th-hour i.e "I dont like this idea of "living" amymore. I want out." Whilst Saturn can limit possibilities of an easy birth. Stack restrictions against the soul wishing to incarnate by limiting "willing" hosts.

But the latter can be what you call a "miracle child" too. Because they can be stubborn and unchanging in their intent. Being more robust and agile as they grow up into adulthood(if born with health issues). Or being a siccess story(if the early environment was harsh).

posted July 30, 2021 12:21 PM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:

I am waiting to abort at the limit of legality (14 weeks), so that the cells of the fetus clean my body.

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I am sorry but that is sick. I am pro-choice but you should most definitely have the abortion as soon as possible ideally within the first month or two. I mean WTF.

posted July 30, 2021 12:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Oh ok. I read your post. So you two are finally ready. I wish it works out for y'all 👌🏿

I always think that a child that is wanted is consciously loved more than a child that is "tolerated " because they(child) has arrived and "is non returnable".💁🏿‍♂️

I am almost 40(37 now) and I wouldn't mind two. If it happens. It happens. If ir doesn't. It doesn't.

The thing is that rhe universe tends to not give you what you so desperately want WHEN you want it. It gives you when you have stopped focusing on the subject matter.

So when you are no longer focused on that subject and have relaxed your gaze on it, BOOM!! **** erupts. And it happens. But when still obsessed with it. It delays. Very strange.

I have put the request out there. I don't know how it'll happen.I don't talk about it.I stay off the subject.It's up to alignment from here on.It could be at 40? 41? 45? Or even 50? Perhaps never? Either way,I must just be happy in my life regardless. 🙏🏿

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posted July 30, 2021 12:41 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I am sorry but that is sick. I am pro-choice but you should most definitely have the abortion as soon as possible ideally within the first month or two. I mean WTF.

Also, you would not know about the benefits of being a mother because you have never been one. I think people are right you really should get some help. I have no idea why you think is appropriate to say something like that in a forum, you must be trying to get some kind of attention.

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I don't see what's wrong with this. Until it is born, it is not a baby.

I have commented on this because I am interested in knowing what is in the natal chart that may indicate this. You know, I'm still in my eternal search for the time I was born.
And every detail can bring me closer to it.

The benefits of a pregnancy are many, basically the fetus sends "life" to the mother's body.
This he does for sheer survival, to make sure that the Mother will be strong and healthy to raise the baby when he is born.

In my case, it is that I am on the edge of death, (my Scorpio Moon and constant death), and honestly this is something I need a lot.

All the cells that this fetus sends me are good for my health.

posted July 30, 2021 05:19 PM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
I don't see what's wrong with this. Until it is born, it is not a baby.

I have commented on this because I am interested in knowing what is in the natal chart that may indicate this. You know, I'm still in my eternal search for the time I was born.
And every detail can bring me closer to it.

The benefits of a pregnancy are many, basically the fetus sends "life" to the mother's body.
This he does for sheer survival, to make sure that the Mother will be strong and healthy to raise the baby when he is born.

In my case, it is that I am on the edge of death, (my Scorpio Moon and constant death), and honestly this is something I need a lot.

All the cells that this fetus sends me are good for my health.

I have recently received a blow to my heart, the most vital area of ​​the body. And I feel like I can die at any moment It is very rare to explain.
So if this situation helps me restore my heart, welcome.

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Okay whitebirds, I feel you, I definitely want you to be healthy and strong. Thanks for explaining more what is going on.

I recommend you take 5000 UIs daily of Vitamin D, brand Life extension, you can get it at amazon.

Also try MNM:
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I take both daily and highly recommend it, it will help you with energy, your heart and immunological system plenty.

If you ever do counseling, try to get a counselor that is an EMDR trained clinician. Its a great treatment for Trauma.

Hang in there.

posted July 30, 2021 11:47 PM            

My sister-in-law had to abort her baby at 4-5mths due to some reasons and it broke all our hearts when we saw the fetus.

posted July 31, 2021 06:44 AM            

In another topic you mentioned your difficult childhood. Maybe there are unresolved childhood issues that cause you to feel this way? You could check the placement of your Chiron and what is happening in your H4.

As Belage mentioned, this doesn't have to be something permanent in your chart. It could be a transit that is causing turmoil in your life right now.

posted July 31, 2021 06:02 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
@WhiteBird: choosing for an abortion is no easy decision. You probably feel that you can't be the mother this baby needs. Saturn is usually associated with feelings of responsibility or inadequacy. Do you have this prominent in your chart or maybe in H5?

In another topic you mentioned your difficult childhood. Maybe there are unresolved childhood issues that cause you to feel this way? You could check the placement of your Chiron and what is happening in your H4.

As Belage mentioned, this doesn't have to be something permanent in your chart. It could be a transit that is causing turmoil in your life right now.

Astrology aside, you are going through a lot right now. I hope there is someone close to you that has your back. If not, please reach out to someone you trust or like hypatia suggested, a professional that might give you support. Please, look after yourself!

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Thank you very much for your concern, but honestly I have a 100% cool head for this type of decision. That is, once I have made the decision, it is already made.

My abortions are for the reason that I have never wanted to have children. I am repulsed towards children and towards the process of creating life in general.
These are not things from my childhood. This is the deranged mind of a Scorpio moon. We carry death within us, after all. And that does not reconcile with life.

Unfortunately, I am very fertile. Injustices of life. There are people who die from having children and cannot, and I have to carry this Cross of not wanting them and get pregnant the first time.
That a boy ends up inside. 🥺

In my first abortion I had a 100% cold head and it did not affect me (beyond the curse that I think the fetus threw at me 😅 .

And this time maybe it will affect me a little more because I am going to keep the fetus for 14 weeks, out of necessity.
Since I am pregnant, my heart has been infinitely better.
But this baby is not going to be born. I do not want to have children, and I do not want to give him up for adoption.

posted July 31, 2021 06:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Abortions are actually damaging to the mother’s body, so whoever does not want babies pls do whatever precautions to avoid an unwanted pregnancy.

My sister-in-law had to abort her baby at 4-5mths due to some reasons and it broke all our hearts when we saw the fetus.

@Whitebirds, you’re entitled to your decision but just wanna say this… While it’s not a baby yet, it’s still a life.

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posted July 31, 2021 06:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
One woman I knew had Pluto transiting her 5th house. She had about 3 abortions within the span of 5 years. The father was a guy she was crazy about, but he didn't want to have children with her and he talked her into having the abortions.

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posted August 01, 2021 03:32 AM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
An abortion is not harmful. There are natural abortions in the animal world, and also in the human every second.
Honestly, a childbirth is much more harmful. Ejecting a whole baby through the vagina is not the same as expelling a fetus of a few centimeters.

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posted August 01, 2021 06:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Beg to differ. Every medical procedure has potential side effects (and I was referring to this, not an unexpected natural miscarriage). Some may not conceive again after an abortion. My friend was told that by her doctor when she contemplated an abortion many years ago. Of course not everyone’s the same, it depends on individual health condition.

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Ah, I don't know that.
I hope it's true! I don't want children, and hopefully after this abortion my body decides not to have them. But I bet it won't. And I honestly don't want to have a tubal ligation.
Honestly, after my last abortion I have always had sex with a condom, and the times that I did not, the guy never ended up inside.
Because it is always the same, if they end up inside once there is a 99% pregnancy.

This is regrettable.