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vansio
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posted August 17, 2021 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
“If 3rd house is connected to the psychic/intuitive symbols, it can indicate intuitiveness, especially if the symbols connected to same, are also highlighted/amplified in some other way.

The most intuitive/psychic symbols from most to less so in Planets are Neptune, Jupiter, Uranus, Pluto, and Moon.”

Chiron should be included in the general list of psychic-intuitive symbols as well, maybe at the top. Chiron is more aware and service-oriented than Neptune, imo. Service implies a connective principle.

“Suffering” is relative to spirituality. Awareness of oneself and an other’s wound, influenced by and through healing—the ultimate intuition. I think of the Four Noble Truths: http://youtu.be/PKWIeQXCKvU

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Those walking with their Chironic medicine, whether they name it thus or not, are natural teachers and guides. They understand how painful the wound can be, and how much humility is required to teach and guide others in the way of reclamation. They have a rare ability to teach and guide not from their egoic investment in being superior, but because they know that each person holds a unique constellation of wholeness – medicine – which they themselves are foreigners to. In other words, we cannot know another’s pain firsthand and should not assume so. What we can share with others is our version – our subjective experience – of an archeytypal or collective reality: how we’ve learned to make our own.

In a sense, we share the wound reality with everyone else simply by the nature of being human. How we move with it in our lives is what makes us unique. Those who have recognised this carry within themselves an integration of their wound experience with which they can identify and assist others in their own processes. Only in this cultivated awareness can the Chironic teacher authentically initiate or mentor. Being a mentor means being simultaneously a guide and a student. It requires the medicinal ability to take all of life’s cues as reminders, lessons, gifts, instructions and blessings no matter the form in which they come.

Chiron’s initiatory skill is rooted in empathy, wisdom and intuition... Chiron, in many of his myths, is an initiator for humanity because the wound-into-medicine process doesn’t intend to do something about outer circumstances as its way of healing, but rather to change the inner self to be more heartfully responsive to what does externally manifest. Individuals who have succeeded in returning to this world of linear time and ego reality from the other world of their deepest fears and denials eventually realise that they are being drawn to share their medicine with others. They serve by infusing more of their medicine into a largely medicine-less world. The depth of their sacrifice can be correlated to the reach of their wisdom.
http://schoolofshamanicwomancraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/2018-Chiron-in-Space .pdf


I recognize how my 3rd House Chiron placement contributes to a clair-cognizance ability in particular (besides other psychic markers in natal). I practice automatic writing for this sake. hyper-aware of the environment (Umwelt) — used to feel like too much ‘information’. Chopping vegetables, walking, showering, even at times breathing etc - daily life is practiced/performed in an attempt for constant mediative state (stillness of the mind) for this reason. My Chiron is in Leo so doubledown about wound-awareness on “be-ing”.

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PlutoWasHere
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posted August 17, 2021 05:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoWasHere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
PlutoWasHere ~
 
You really defined those nicely! 
3rd ruled by Jupiter, Does he bring you more luck with those house matters? Maybe you make a little trip/vacation look much grandiose?  More exciting?

I think I am very lucky with meeting new people in my immediate surroundings. There are a lot of kind people I seem to meet that have my best interest at heart. With new hobbies or a new job there usually is at least 1 person that I really seem to click with. Even if it doesn't become an actual friendship, there often is a lot of generousity and willingness to help me develop my skills.

Your Neptune is cnj my ac.

I looked it up and it seems to be a good aspect. I hope I am spiritually uplifting to you!

I think you are very intuitive.  I believe house 3 is more sense psychic than it gets credit for. Telepathy and the claireaudient abilities. Nrptune and Sag would make yours pretty powerful. Do you get Downloads or have sensory receptivity?  Sound or frequency related.

I don't feel like I have psychic abilities, but I always have a lot of confidence in my gut feeling. If something or someone seems off to me and gives me a very uncomfortable feeling, I trust that feeling. It has never failed me. But I can't remember anyhing auditory related.

The only one I feel I might have a kind of telepathic connection with is my eldest son. I usually can sense when he needs something. A little bit of extra attention or if I need to ask a certain question to get him to talk about something. He also has Neptune in H3 and he is a Sagittarius Rising, so my Neptune falls in his H1.

I can see your pull towards quantive sci.
I'm  sorry about the drawbacks to your 3rd. Maybe it taught you sensitivity too. As you saw first hand the struggle of their world's.  Bring an "other" within their orbits.

Thank you for your sweet words. I have tried to help my mother and brother for so long, but it was useless. I had to learn to accept them for who they are and not for who I want them to be. For me it has been connected to lessons in personal boundaries and unconditional love.

Thank you for sharing. You have a prominent 3rd for sure.

I love to share if it can add to more insight. I really like these kinds of topics. So thank you for asking these questions!


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MonteCristo
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posted August 17, 2021 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MonteCristo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting topic!

My third house sign ruler is Sag/Jupiter (don’t tell plutonianmenace lol)

I have Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune in 3rd. They all trine my 10th house stellium of sun, merc, Venus, Mars.

3rd house ruler, Jupiter, is in 7th, forming a grand trine with the planets above.

I do have a knack for writing. Communication through the written word is my thing. However, if put on the spot I have a tough time formulating sentences the way I do when I write. I stumble over words and then get conscious that I’m doing so, so I just give up lol. I think that’s the Saturn influence. I do have great one liners and quick, witty comebacks, but if asked to delve into an explanation of something, I sometimes fumble it up. So my sword is the pen, not the tongue.

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Nadja
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posted August 17, 2021 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nadja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My third house cusp is in Sagittarius. Jupiter is in Aries, 7th house. Jupiter trines Saturn and Uranus, which are conjunct in Sagittarius 3rd. Other than that Jupiter is sextile Chiron in Gemini 9th and semi-sextile Venus in Taurus 8th.

Other than Saturn and Uranus in Sag 3rd I also have Neptune in the house but in Capricorn and conjunct IC. Saturn is opposite Sun and Chiron and loosely square Moon (in Virgo 12th). Neptune is opposite Mars and Mercury, trine Moon, sextile Pluto (in Scorpio 2nd) and sesquiquadrate Venus.

So... overall a very active house, making a multitude of connections to all corners of my chart. Which makes sense... Communication is a huge focus in my life. I'm a librarian, so it's just what I do. I'm optimistic and curious about anything and everything. I'm quick to learn and quick to adapt. I'm good at creating structure and organisation, but also have a talent for creative/intuitive problem-solving. I always did well in school, but higher education, where a deeper focus was needed, didn't suit me. I enjoy having a superficial but broad knowledge... the bigger picture, the broad strokes. A single narrow subject can't keep my attention for long. I'm frequently rather scatter-brained and absent-minded. If something isn't important to me personally I'm likely to forget about it, or subconsciously ignore it. In general I'm as quick to forget as I am to learn. My mind works in mysterious ways sometime, sudden insights and the like, but I can't always trust my intuitions to be correct.

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My chart: https://i.pinimg.com/564x/f8/94/9b/f8949ba84e82b9596b77bd5098a17021.jpg

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teasel
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posted August 17, 2021 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
Pale Blue Eyes ~

 Hermeneutics.  I'm fascinated! 
Libra is also a harmony sign. You may as well have a flair for colors/designs, describing them. Music too. Going at it abstract  > tangible, you might have a lit more to the third than it may seem too.
Mercury&Venus. Beauty and brilliance. 

 Thank you for sharing.


@ Teasel ~
You conjunct Neptune? In the 3rd?


No, Neptune is in my 2nd. I don't have anything in my third, but transiting Pluto and Saturn.

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GalacticCoreExplosionV2
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posted August 17, 2021 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi MoonMystic,

Thank you for the thoughtful reply. Some interesting points. Yes, freewill can definitely alter how charts actually express.

Perhaps am less intense than I may think about self. I try to tone it down with some diplomacy and consideration. The Libra, Venus, and Neptune helps to counterbalance Pluto in that respect. I just know that sometimes I feel/wonder, "did I take it too far, should I reign it in a bit" or the like.

Yes, it would be interesting to look at a bunch of charts of singers-song writer types and see how the 3rd and 5th Houses are connected or not. I suspect there probably does tend to be some strong interconnections on average. If my life had been different in some ways, I think I would have liked to focus more on music and writing same.

Thank you for sharing with us and me as well.

Btw, I suppose some of what I described probably could be considered somewhat more talents than just skills (and yes, I do value them), but again, in my chart, my 3rd and 5th Houses are fairly connected and it's a bit hard to tell where one ends and one begins.

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GalacticCoreExplosionV2
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posted August 17, 2021 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Vansio,

Yes, I don't doubt that Chiron could also be related to intuitive ability. However, to me, Chiron is more of a minor note than the major notes of the traditional and modern Planets, which correspond to and symbolize the 6 main Centers/glands and colors. Chiron doesn't have the gravitas and impact of those other symbols. It is a more niche and supportive note.

I have Chiron very closely conjunct my MC and very closely trine my Jupiter (also Mars though not near as close) and Mercury (and also Sun, the chart ruler, but not near as close). I notice it some in my life, but not near as much as Jupiter, Sun, Neptune, Venus, Uranus, and Mercury (my strongest/most highlighted planets). And yet, Chiron is in a very amplified/powerful/highlighted position. If it was a major player on par with the planets, it would be one of the dominant notes of this chart, yet it is not.

And there is nothing that compares to the intuitive sensitivity of Neptune in this system. Neptune and Jupiter, both rulers of Pisces, both correlate to the 6th Center and to the Pineal gland in the body. The Pineal gland is the gland that most directly and powerfully deals with intuitive perception, though the 2nd Center, 4th Center, and 5th Centers also pertain some as well (and of course the 7th Center of Source and full Oneness Consciousness, but no human I know has a fully and truly active 7th Center i.e. pure Clear/White Light consciousness, and no Planetary symbol correlates with the 7th Center, it is beyond singular symbols).

Neptune has long had associations with sacrifice, suffering, martyrdom, acute empathy and sensitivity to others, compassion, a more universal Love and consciousness (along with Jupiter), etc. Chiron doesn't hold a candle to Neptune in these areas. Chiron is the channel and bridge between Saturn and Uranus. It's energy is a blue-green, it is interpersonal seeking to become universal. Neptune is fully universal and a blue-violet i.e. much faster vibratory and thus more expanded in nature.

I've met Neptunians who had exceptional gifts, skills, and talents in the psychic perception and sensitivity realm. One was a male (named Bruce Moen), born under Aries Sun (of all signs), with chart ruler, Venus, in Taurus (normally two of the densest and least tuned in Signs around). BUT, he had Libra Asc with Neptune and Arcturus Rising (and Cap Moon right on cusp of Aquarius). He taught afterlife perception classes/courses, having previously been an engineer. He wrote 5 very excellent books about exploring the larger consciousness system and 4 of the 5 were primarily autobiographical and talking about his journey with all this.

Btw, interestingly, Cayce's guidance doesn't once ever mention Chiron, and yet, they mentioned Pluto before it was officially discovered. This further makes me lean to believing that Chiron is more of a minor, sub note all in all.

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teasel
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posted August 17, 2021 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I followed your link, and was typing something up, but I have some chills again, so I'm going to leave it for tomorrow, or another day. Goodnight.

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Seraphinesky
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posted August 18, 2021 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seraphinesky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
gonna sound like a 'newb' here.....but whats the Third House Please....im here to learn....Astrology is a very difficult subject, some things things flow easy and for to understand but other things are like mega highly technical maths of which i struggle to understand. Plus i lost my starsigns book :'(

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posted August 18, 2021 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Seraphinesky:
gonna sound like a 'newb' here.....but whats the Third House Please....im here to learn....Astrology is a very difficult subject, some things things flow easy and for to understand but other things are like mega highly technical maths of which i struggle to understand. Plus i lost my starsigns book :'(

communication, early education, siblings, short trip, other **** i might be forgetting right now etc

you're good though point of sharing info is so people can learn from, and asking/answering questions is part of learning

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GalacticCoreExplosionV2
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posted August 18, 2021 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Seraphinesky:
gonna sound like a 'newb' here.....but whats the Third House Please....im here to learn....Astrology is a very difficult subject, some things things flow easy and for to understand but other things are like mega highly technical maths of which i struggle to understand. Plus i lost my starsigns book :'(

As there are 12 Zodiac Signs that symbolize personality archetypes/attunement and earthly patterns, there are also 12 Houses. Houses are different than Signs, in that they represent/symbolize more "areas of life" and in that sense, tend to be more outer and event oriented. They often show the things that "happen to you" from life, other people, etc.

The 3rd House is called a "Cadent" House (along with the 6th, 9th, and 12th Houses, and there is a loose archetypal connection with the Mutuable Signs). The 3rd House deals with everyday and more typical communication, the more intellectual mind, short distance traveling, siblings, cousins, uncles/aunts (I believe?), relates some to writing, speaking, etc.

Traditionally speaking, because it is a Cadent House, it is said to be one of the more passive/weaker areas of the chart, so Planets here are often not that prominent in the life nor psyche of the native. This can be counter balanced by other factors which help to boost/highlight the Planet more. These could be things like strong aspects with the Chart ruler, the Sun, the MC ruler, etc, or being in a cycle of closest approach to Earth (this is often not a very talked about nor used technique in astrology, but the ancients certainly paid a lot of attention to it, and I've noticed that being born close to Solar perihelion definitely highlights the Sun in my chart more, for an example).

The Ascendant point i.e. that horizontal line on the left side of the chart, is the beginning of the 1st House, the line right below that is the 2nd House cusp which is the beginning of the 2nd House, and then the line below that is the beginning of the 3rd House, so on and so forth as you go around the circular wheel. A House occupies the space between that first and 2nd line.

However, these are not hard and fast boundaries. Everything in astrology blends, merges, and gradually phases from one to another---much like a color wheel. On a color wheel, the color doesn't just jump from green to blue, but eventually starts to get more and more blue and less and less green, until eventually we can say that it is fully and truly blue.

It is very similar with both the Zodiac and with the Houses, and when we have Planets near the Cusps of the Signs or Houses, we often feel and notice a more blended and complex expression of the Planet.

It gets even more complex and relative when one has a Planet in the next Sign or House, and a Planet conjunct that Planet in the preceding Sign or House.

For example, I have Mercury more fully in the 5th House, but it is widely conjunct the Sun which is on border of the end of the 5th and the start of the 6th House (aka, the 6th House cusp). I notice the Sun in both areas/Houses.

Or, I have Saturn in late Virgo and it is widely conjunct Moon in early Libra. The Libra part influences/shades into the Virgo for my Saturn, and the Virgo shades into the Libra some for my Moon.

Some people don't "believe" in this cusping/blending affect, but respectfully, they are clueless, because this principle follows the very structure of the larger reality and how everything is interconnected and influences everything else to some (even if very minor) extent. Even people, when we get into proximity with others, to some extent our auras start to interact with and blend to some extent with another's vibrational field, and if we could see this via the colors, you would see some of this blending. And yet, you still basically remain you and they them, even if there is some minor influencing that goes on.

People, as a trend, tend to like clear cut black and whites, because it is easier to perceive being more simple. But again, just not how it actually works in practice. Cusps, both for Signs and Houses is very real. The well known and very verified psychic source, Edgar Cayce, on a number of occasions spoke to the reality of Sign cusping, and sometimes in cases where the Sun was fairly far away from the next Sign (like almost 10 degrees).

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