posted August 14, 2021 06:04 PM            

He did all the phases of narcissism to me.
Idealization, devaluation and discard.

He did all of this to me as I dealt with the aftermath of nearly dying after horrific physical abuse.

I wonder if it's wrong to steal energy from these kinds of people. I need extra energy to heal the aftermath of physical abuse ... And I need extra energy to heal psychically from The memories of so much violence.

Is it wrong to access the energetic part of this person to steal energy for me to heal?

posted August 14, 2021 08:51 PM            

You're proposing a horizontal energy dependence on what is generated by another person, i.e., consciousness. What you need is a consciousness healing and realignment and the energy will come. You have all the energy you need, or at least the ability to generate all you need. That's the nature of our being — our biology is well suited to receiving cosmic energy and translating it into vitality. Often, when people feel low energy, what they're feeling is actually blocks to their own energy flow.

There are ways to get it flowing again.

Gems and crystals (or combinations of them) can be surprisingly helpful. My #1 recommendation for you is Carnelian. It is the top gem/crystal for recovering from abuse. It's right there in The Crystal Bible: http://books.google.com/books?id=bBtjDwAAQBAJ You can use a flat one and tape it/wear it at the heart or wherever you feel the healing, rejuvenative force needs to be focused.

Also, I've used a few different kinds of biocircuits to restore and balance energy flow. They're more fiddly and costly. The best one is not mentioned under the term 'biocircuit' but it is the most effective: the Edgar Cayce radial appliance. It's like getting acupuncture, but through all energy meridians simultaneously. Maybe for later.

For now, I recommend working with Carnelian. Wear it during the daytime and touching the skin. Take it off an hour or two before you want to sleep at night. Put it back on when you get up the next day. Carnelian comes in color variations that may be combined or mostly pink, yellowish, but usually orange to red. Try the milder color(s) at first — pink or a mild orange. They do differ in how 'hot' they are in stimulating energy.

posted August 14, 2021 09:41 PM            

One of the reasons I think I can steal energy from this narcissistic guy is because I think he is an incarnation of a source similar to mine, maybe even the same. So my energy body is similar to yours.
I honestly don't see anything wrong with doing this, after what he's done.

posted August 14, 2021 11:21 PM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
I appreciate your suggestions.
In order to create or generate my own energy, I should have access to the energy of the heart or the solar plexus.
Right now I don't have access. My heart beats empty and bad, after they have tried to kill me with one blow.

One of the reasons I think I can steal energy from this narcissistic guy is because I think he is an incarnation of a source similar to mine, maybe even the same. So my energy body is similar to yours.
I honestly don't see anything wrong with doing this, after what he's done.

I am only afraid of the karmic consequences of this.

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have you gone to a doctor about your heart? you've yet to answer me on this question

like yo i get it someone punched you in the chest and it sucked and was traumatic or whatever and can be dangerous, but this has been weeks now you're likely fine

if you're severely injured go to a hospital 🤷‍♀️

that being said it's morally wrong to take **** that isn't yours just by definition, that should be a given "is it wrong to steal?" yes

what you're looking for is justification for doing something morally wrong which is different

a narcissist is a person even if they're a ****** one, they're not the same as someone without a personality disorder but they're very much human and often deeply suffering but even if you have no sympathy or empathy towards that... what about just doing the right thing for yourself?

by that i mean not going to a level where you justify doing something inherently wrong that violates another person (no matter who they are) because you personally give a **** about yourself and don't want to do ****** things to others

this is simple ****

is violating someone else wrong? yes
does it make you a bad person if you do? no but you've definitely done a bad thing and if that's how you continue to live your life and that's the mindset you live it with you'll certainly become one

however you want to justify it to yourself it's still bad and also i just really doubt you're on the verge of death

you've been talking about a now old injury for a while as if it's an immediate emergency and you could drop dead right now , claim to be pregnant and are planning on holding out til the last minute to kill the baby (which will take some time from this point to then so you expect to be alive for a while), you're talking about stealing energy to heal and going on about narcs etc

honestly thinking you just need mental help and considering some of the things you equate to each other i also think it's possible these things didnt happen the way you say they did or these people aren't what you say they are

posted August 15, 2021 12:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
have you gone to a doctor about your heart? you've yet to answer me on this question

like yo i get it someone punched you in the chest and it sucked and was traumatic or whatever and can be dangerous, but this has been weeks now you're likely fine

if you're severely injured go to a hospital 🤷‍♀️

that being said it's morally wrong to take **** that isn't yours just by definition, that should be a given "is it wrong to steal?" yes

what you're looking for is justification for doing something morally wrong which is different

a narcissist is a person even if they're a ****** one, they're not the same as someone without a personality disorder but they're very much human and often deeply suffering but even if you have no sympathy or empathy towards that... what about just doing the right thing for yourself?

by that i mean not going to a level where you justify doing something inherently wrong that violates another person (no matter who they are) because you personally give a **** about yourself and don't want to do ****** things to others

this is simple ****

is violating someone else wrong? yes
does it make you a bad person if you do? no but you've definitely done a bad thing and if that's how you continue to live your life and that's the mindset you live it with you'll certainly become one

however you want to justify it to yourself it's still bad and also i just really doubt you're on the verge of death

you've been talking about a now old injury for a while as if it's an immediate emergency and you could drop dead right now , claim to be pregnant and are planning on holding out til the last minute to kill the baby (which will take some time from this point to then so you expect to be alive for a while), you're talking about stealing energy to heal and going on about narcs etc

honestly thinking you just need mental help and considering some of the things you equate to each other i also think it's possible these things didnt happen the way you say they did or these people aren't what you say they are

you're either dying or you can heal pick one

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Yes. I went for an injury report.
But it was a cursory report, with no X-rays or internal exams.

I am dying on a soul level.In addition to the black void and the tension that does not go away after the attempt to kill and paralyze my heart. It is not easy to admit that a person who "adopted" you has been torturing you throughout your life with covert pedophilia, and programming and manipulating your mind.
And then he still tried to kill you.
This person is highly dangerous. I have endured abuse since I was adopted by them. The man with his fury and aggressiveness (to mask his pedophilia), and his wife, always justifying him. Still suffering his continuous mistreatment, and rejection due to his sterility.
The woman is an evil Pisces, but she is intuitive. She knows that her fertile husband had sexual desires for the girl she adopted.
That is me.
For this reason, his wife tried to destroy me in every way (psychological torture), and her husband, instead of raping me directly, masked his pedophilia with violence.
Things have been getting worse to beastly levels, where they are already attempts to kill me.

As you can see, everything is predation.

We come to this world through childbirth, where we go from being comfortable in our mother's womb, to going through a traumatic process where we are brought to light with blood, feces, and pain, pThrough a hole. Nothing will be pretty from there.

Parents are supposed to have unconditional love, but they don't. They take care of their children out of sheer selfishness. First, to ensure their offspring, and second, to feed on fresh energy From a newborn.
You just have to imagine what happens when a child is not even raised by his parents.
From my point of view, it is better to leave a child in the jungle than to sell him to strangers.

As you can see, everything in this world is predation, even parenthood.

I try to maintain standards. But if someone proves to be a ******* , I don't see anything wrong with using the laws of the universe (predation), to my advantage.
The only problem is that I am not God, and I can fail in my judgments.

But everything is predation. The fetus that I carry within offers me some health benefits, in exchange for the fact that later I go out of my way to take care of it when it is born. Etc...

I ask if it is moral to steal energy from a narcissist, because in these circumstances of my life, I need it.
And I prefer to steal energy from a narcissist, than from someone genuine.

posted August 15, 2021 12:44 AM            

When I feel down I like to hang around positive people. They bring my spirits up. Their positivity rub off on me so I become positive too. I don't steal their energy in a sense.

posted August 15, 2021 02:20 AM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
Yes. I went for an injury report.
But it was a cursory report, with no X-rays or internal exams.

I am dying on a soul level.In addition to the black void and the tension that does not go away after the attempt to kill and paralyze my heart. It is not easy to admit that a person who "adopted" you has been torturing you throughout your life with covert pedophilia, and programming and manipulating your mind.
And then he still tried to kill you.
This person is highly dangerous. I have endured abuse since I was adopted by them. The man with his fury and aggressiveness (to mask his pedophilia), and his wife, always justifying him. Still suffering his continuous mistreatment, and rejection due to his sterility.
The woman is an evil Pisces, but she is intuitive. She knows that her fertile husband had sexual desires for the girl she adopted.
That is me.
For this reason, his wife tried to destroy me in every way (psychological torture), and her husband, instead of raping me directly, masked his pedophilia with violence.
Things have been getting worse to beastly levels, where they are already attempts to kill me.

As you can see, everything is predation.

We come to this world through childbirth, where we go from being comfortable in our mother's womb, to going through a traumatic process where we are brought to light with blood, feces, and pain, pThrough a hole. Nothing will be pretty from there.

Parents are supposed to have unconditional love, but they don't. They take care of their children out of sheer selfishness. First, to ensure their offspring, and second, to feed on fresh energy From a newborn.
You just have to imagine what happens when a child is not even raised by his parents.
From my point of view, it is better to leave a child in the jungle than to sell him to strangers.

As you can see, everything in this world is predation, even parenthood.

I try to maintain standards. But if someone proves to be a ******* , I don't see anything wrong with using the laws of the universe (predation), to my advantage.
The only problem is that I am not God, and I can fail in my judgments.

But everything is predation. The fetus that I carry within offers me some health benefits, in exchange for the fact that later I go out of my way to take care of it when it is born. Etc...

I ask if it is moral to steal energy from a narcissist, because in these circumstances of my life, I need it.
And I prefer to steal energy from a narcissist, than from someone genuine.

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i've heard this story from you a million ways a million different times, i'm very aware of what you think and how you think and we've had this conversation before

no offense but you don't need to keep repeating yourself to me i got it the first, third, 5th time etc

i can understand **** after hearing it once i promise

only difference is now you're admitting that you aren't in fact physically ill and that you "dying" is an emotional thing in spite of you framing it as if it were a physical issue

which again comes back to me speaking to you before about how your wording is often misleading

parents don't necessarily have unconditional love for their own children because anyone can have a child, that's an unfortunate reality adoption or not 🤷‍♀️ and there are adopted people who have good experiences

i get it you had a **** childhood, that sucks, you can't speak for everyone who was adopted though because i've known people who were who were happy to have been

that'd be like me saying no one should be a parent because i was abused, that's ******* stupid and doesn't work

hell you could have a kid yet you're insisting you're living with pedophiles who are trying to kill you and making no attempts to leave

if something is morally wrong it's morally wrong, means you shouldn't do it to anyone, simple ****

morals aren't about whether or not someone else is good, they're about whether or not you are, that's the reason to uphold them for yourself

i'm not going to ******** you and tell you that being a ****** person to someone ****** is good because it's ******* not

you don't see an issue with it that's on you but you asked so there you go

bad thing is bad, done

you have no intention of having the child you intend on killing them, you're already stealing from something if you think you're gaining from something innocent you intend on killing

and if you do have them you're insisting on living with "pedophiles" so you'd be willing to expose a child to what? people who are allegedly beating you who are "pedophiles" (you've twisted the word pedophilia way too much for me to even know if you're being honest here which is sad because i really prefer to full on be able to believe someone going through some **** is being 100% honest, but with you i don't)

i answered your question, a recap of your life was unnecessary

no matter what happened to you or who the other person is it's morally wrong for you to violate them, this makes you no different than anyone else who's violating another human no matter how you justify it to yourself

posted August 15, 2021 02:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Is it even possible to steal someone's energy? It sounds like having blood transfusion where their energy is transferred to you and they have nothing of it left? I don't think so.

When I feel down I like to hang around positive people. They bring my spirits up. Their positivity rub off on me so I become positive too. I don't steal their energy in a sense.

There are many ways to lift your spirits and it starts with yourself. You can use crystals like kannon said or like me I wear an energy stone. It strengthens me mentally and emotionally. There are other ways such as exercise, meditation etc. They all helped to reduce stress and you clearly need it. And how old are you btw? Why are you still attached to your adoptive parents? Cut them off from your life, report your father for the abuse etc if that helps you heal.

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in an occult sense, very possible yes, term "psychic vampires" exists for a reason but it's more than that

deeper you dig the more you come across in that regard, lot of energy **** really

posted August 15, 2021 12:30 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I wouldn’t want his energy. It’s pollution.

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+1! Well said Teasel, exactly what I was thinking.

Also, it's mighty hard to steal energy from a narcissist anyways, because their hearts are often moderately to QUITE closed, they tend to keep their energy to themselves, and are so good at taking it from others.

posted August 15, 2021 12:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
in an occult sense, very possible yes, term "psychic vampires" exists for a reason but it's more than that

deeper you dig the more you come across in that regard, lot of energy **** really

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Yep. And even more generally and neutrally speaking, introverts tend to give out/share their energy more, and extroverts tend to absorb/take in peoples energy more (especially when around introverts).

This is why introverts often feel drained after being around others, especially after being with extroverts. Yet, conversely and oddly, finding couple pairings between introverts and extroverts is quite common. Because they also tend to have a balancing affect on each other, and opposites tend to attract on the more material/personality level of things.

posted August 15, 2021 01:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
maybe try some cocaine if you want energy

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lol

posted August 16, 2021 10:35 AM            

ive come across
some of your posts and reading Nietsche lately too.
he is one that got sick, and h ad realy low life energy at one point, but managed to turn it around.

here are some quotes from him:

WHY AM I SO WISE
"the luck from my beeing, its uniqueness maybe, lays on its disaster"
"yeah, because, i am a decadent, im also its opposite...
... i took myself by the hand, i did myself healthy again: contitions - every psychologyst will admit it - its that you actually are healthy. a typic morbit beeing cant get healthy or heal himself; for a typish healthy beeing, can it the otherwayround beeing sick a stimulus for life for more life. "

" this double way of experimentation, this acces into apparently separated worlds... "

u question today morals? ge did it too
:

what is good? - all, that gives the feeling of Power (Macht), the will for Power, the Power itself in the man makes rise.

what is bad? - all, that comes from weakness