posted August 18, 2021 02:29 PM            

Raniere was the primary master mind. If you watch the documentaries out there about this cult and him, it will become very obvious that he is a sociopath and severe sex addict. In fact, he sometimes seemed to indirectly advertise this side of himself. For example, the following article outlines this quite clearly:
http://frankreport.com/2019/11/10/keith-raniere-admits- he-is-a-psychopath-in-shocking-2007-article-in-spanish-magazine/

The author of the article gets something wrong about Raniere though in calling him a psychopath. Raniere himself is clearly indicating that he is a sociopath. Psychopaths are fully born that way, and are that way from very young. Sociopaths are made/created, often either by a severe head trauma, being fairly slow vibratory to begin with but deciding to go fully to the dark side, severe trauma/abuse, etc. In Raniere's case, it sounds like he made a conscious decision (or as we will see, maybe was "nudged" into same) to go fully to the lacking in Light side of pure ego/separativeness/selfishness and lack of empathy and conscience in relation to others.

It is an important distinction even though they end up looking and being very similar ultimately.

Powerful, predominant Saturn with little to no counterbalancing Venus, Neptune, Jupiter, Sun, and/or Arcturus is psychopath, and powerful Pluto gone wrong is sociopath, to really over simplify things.

I was curious to look at Raniere's chart and see if there was any clues or patterns to his sociopathy, sex addiction, etc. From looking at him, his looks, vibe, body structure and size, and that allegedly he is larger than average male member wise (in one of the texts on record, he self reports 7.5", which is just out of the average range for caucasian males of 5 to 7" i.e. the huge majority of white males fall within that range), I got the sense that he likely has Scorpio Rising (shortish, squarish strong build, squarish widish face, penetrating eyes, "mild" mannered and quiet at times, but sometimes also with an intense vibe, etc). But I couldn't find anything more "official" out there.

But, interestingly enough, I stumbled upon this website: http://www.astrolreport.com/view_chart.php?image_id=8805 and yes, it has his chart for Scorpio Asc. Now what I found interesting is that if this is more or less accurate, then it indicates that he is a Neptunian (i.e. Neptune is his strongest/most highlighted Planet. I found this curious as Neptunians tend to be on the faster vibratory side as a trend. After all, they came in from one of the most expanded, fast vibratory, and love attuned nonphysical dimensions.

However, Raniere also has a very powerful Pluto* (2nd strongest), and powerful Uranus (3rd strongest) if this chart is relatively accurate. *The ruler of the MC, the Sun, is closely conjunct Pluto and both in the 10th House, and Scorpio Asc contributes.

Another interesting pattern and thing to note is that his chart shows someone with very strong psychic sensitivity with all this combo powerful Neptune, Pluto, Uranus, Scorpio, 8th House, 12th House, etc.

So I tuned in a bit deeper and asked guidance about him, and got that he has been experiencing negative entity possession/influencing from a young age, and over time, they have helped twist him towards an ever more lacking in Light attunement to the point where he became outright sociopathic.

Meaning, he may have started off, on a Soul level, mid to fast vibratory to some extent.

Btw, the sex addiction in this chart is very clear (probably one of the issues/tendencies of his that the negative entities strongly focused on as a way to get to him more and more). Scorpio Asc with faster moving chart ruler, Mars in the 8th House opposed Jupiter, and modern chart ruler, Pluto cusping Leo and closely conjunct the Sun cusping Leo. Very strong desire and hormonal nature.

Anyways, I found this case quite interesting because sometimes we assume that these kind of people are either born that way, or become that way via severe physical/earth trauma and abuse. In this case, neither seems to apply, but rather that he got focused on by some very negative entities at a younger age, and being so psychically sensitive and without guards, he got VERY influenced, and over time, its like they resonated him more and more to their vibration/energy.

It is a good case of how complex and relative things can work in the larger reality, and how things are not always black and white. If all the above is true, I actually somewhat feel bad for him, because to some extent he is a victim as well. On a Soul level, he might be quite upset by how his personality and body level has become. Perhaps his Soul had more lofty goals and ambitions. I could easily see this chart as being the chart of a gifted and powerful musician or therapist.

posted August 19, 2021 07:24 AM            

His strong Neptune probably helped him getting away with it for so long. People most likely idealized him and did not see his dark side properly. Maybe there was something in the charts of his victims too, making them vulnerable for this kind of deception.

I often wonder why people let themselves be used in such a way. Is it harsh Venus and Neptune? That would make them put their love interest on a pedestal. Or maybe strong Pisces? The sign of self-sacrifice. Or maybe even the opposite, strong Virgo? The sign of service.

I don't know if the birth time in his chart is accurate though. It's at 12:00, so maybe it's just a default setting and he isn't necessarily a Scorpio Rising.

Anyway, I am very happy that he has been caught. Hopefully this will lead to some form of justice for his victims. Maybe also related to his strong Saturn? Karmic payback?

posted August 19, 2021 12:12 PM            

Have been into this astro thing for nearly 29 years now (though only more deeply so for about 26 i.e. doing full charts etc), and have gotten pretty good at sussing out different chart factors like this. Problem being that I subscribe to the concept that well known psychic Edgar Cayce talked about, that the Soul doesn't always complete it's energetic connections to the baby's body right at first breath, and that it is the time of the energetic connection that correlates to the true, accurate chart. (I wish I DIDN'T believe in this, because it is a giant pain in the arse and leads to a lot of uncertainty unless one is really good/practiced at chart rectification).

Some interesting questions about what's going on in the charts of people that were drawn to him/the group. It's hard to say. Having watched two documentaries and reading a few articles, it seems like the personalities were fairly varied, and even some of the people closest to him seemed to have healthy/normal levels of skepticism, critical thinking, caution, etc.

One of the issues with people like Raniere is that they often have hyper charged 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Centers/glands (astrologically typically correlated most with Saturn, Mars, Pluto, Moon, and Mercury). In reading psychological literature and research related to the ASPD spectrum (i.e. psychopaths and sociopaths), it is a well noted observation, practically a phenomena, that these folks can be unusually and even at times seemingly supernaturally magnetic and/or charming to others. Several noted, respected researchers in the field have noted this, like Dr. Robert Hare (for example, see his seminal work Without Conscience The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us). Hare in his book, would say things like, consciously/intellectually I know I am talking to a psychopath (for him, it was often in a prison setting), and yet I can't help but like and find this person charming, engaging, disarming, etc.

I figured out what is going on with this, on an energetic level. It has everything to do with a combo of auras, energetic centers/glands, and the concept of vibrational/consciousness resonation. Basically what is going on is this: Imagine you're the average person with healthy amounts of empathy, conscience, and some self control over the body and ego part of yourself (which is probably the definite majority of us).

But for whatever reason, you come into contact with someone in the ASPD spectrum, but not knowing that consciously. When you're in their presence, it's like being engulfed in a powerful cloud of primarily dark, heavy RED energy. A principle in resonation is that the higher amplitude/louder vibration/energy source will tend to resonate the quieter/less loud vibration/energy source.

What happens is that you start to get resonated by their field and all that RED, and it has a tendency/affect to stimulate your own first center and to some extent your 2nd centers. These centers are very centered around very ego and physical type energies of fear, survival, lust, etc. i.e. they are very primitive, primal, and non rational/reasoning energies.

So your logical, reasoning, questioning, critical thinking parts get damped down, and your body, shadow, and/or more lust parts of self get turned on and amplified. I call it the "dark attraction" effect.

A lot more people are susceptible to this effect than most realize. It takes quite a bit of conscious spiritual attunement, balance, and centerdness to not be affected in these ways by such types of people. For example, someone who is unusually fast vibratory, balanced, and who has done a lot of shadow work on themselves, is likely to have quite the opposite reaction to being around such a person. They may be intensely repulsed and have warning bells of "danger, danger" go off in their gut or higher intuitive senses.

But these types of people are definitely more rare. These are older Souls who have stayed that way and have nudged their personality/body level into the older Soul attunement over time (i.e. the body/personality level of self has started to match and resonate more and more with their Soul and/or Spirit/Expanded self levels).

Hence I think it's possible and quite likely that is fairly easy for the average person to get "taken in" by such people and figures. The US recently has had two back to back narcissist presidents, one a more typical/average narcissist and one a malignant narcissist. (This effect can sometimes also happen with narcissists as well as ASPD folks, especially if the narcissists in question have a lot of power, attention, "authority", etc).

It is simply amazing to me, how in both cases, so many fell for their b.s. and conning, and how ridiculously adulated and almost worshiped these two figures were by so many. Yet it is so obvious to me that both are within the NPD spectrum and with hyper charged 1st, 2nd, and 3rd centers/glands. That whole dark attraction thing.

It is the opposite of Namaste. It is the ego and/or shadow in them, resonates and increases the ego and/or shadow in me/you. And clearly, many, many people are susceptible to this to some degree or extent. Not as directly related, but somewhat indirectly: look at the various psychological experiments like Milgram, Standford Prison, etc, and how perceived power and authority can effect people. (In these experiments, only a distinct minority of people rebelled against the perceived authority and rules).

And generally speaking, another issue with cults is that people often stay, not just because of the leader, but because of the more real and feel good relations with others in that group. Most of the people in these groups are sincere, decent, etc, and when you develop relationships with like minded people in such a setting, it can be a strong pull. And it often also becomes very tribal and clannish like as well, as "us against them/the outside world". A lot of people are quite susceptible to that pattern as well. Very easy to see in areas like politics, religion or codified belief systems of any kind, sports, etc.

A few spiritual sources I like and respect more than not, all say similar about humanity. That in the grand scheme of things, and if were to analogize worlds inhabited with sentient beings as being like different schools and grades, that humanity in this big picture is akin to like a pre-K or at the very best a kindergarten. Most humans are far more unconscious than conscious, and very controlled by the ego and body parts of their total energy system.

This is why humanity is such a mess, and that there is so much off. Though, ironically enough considering the topic of this thread, part of that is because of how much the majority of us allow ourselves to be overly influenced by the minority of ASPD and NPD folks. Globally, we have devolved to a Plutocracy which in more recent times has furthered devolved into a Kakistocracy--which essentially means, "rule by the worst/most corrupt".

So no, it is no surprise to me that so many cults, cult leaders, corrupt politicians, corrupt gurus, corrupt spiritual teachers, etc, etc garner so much attention from so many, collectively speaking. I see it all the time in more subtle and general societal ways. Cults/cult leaders are just a more niche and narrowed manifestation of this general human issue/condition.

I do feel that there is a general awakening that is trying to happen, where more and more people are starting to wake up to all this and starting to at least, inwardly rebel against it, especially in relation to government, politics, celebrity, media, religion, etc. Unfortunately though, it is a case of, "too little and too late".

And now the Creative Forces via nature will have to step in to level the playing field and give humanity a fighting chance towards real collective, positive change and growth.

posted August 19, 2021 04:40 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I have no idea how these women were so attracted to him. He reminds me of my brother-in-law. Creepy. I wonder if women like Allison Mack, were always into more extreme things, like the branding, or if their synastry kicked something off.

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That is an interesting question. I looked at the birth chart of Allison Mack and she seems to have strong Pluto/Scorpio placements:
https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Allison_Mack

posted August 19, 2021 08:14 PM            

See above explanation of dark attraction of "normies" to people on the ASPD spectrum (and also sometimes to people on the NPD spectrum).

But also factor in, he was wealthy (some earned but much "borrowed"), had power, was in an authority/leader position, acted/sounded very intelligent in a surface/shallow way (and also lied about a 200+ IQ), could feign empathy and sensitivity pretty well when he wanted to, and had a somewhat larger than average sized pee-pee (allegedly, the woman he texted this too didn't contradict him in her reply, so one assumes he was being fairly honest lol but she did mention his ED issues).

posted August 20, 2021 10:13 PM            

I can buy the idea of him being Scorpionic based on what you lay out here and the impression I already had. I've just lost interest in analyzing the dysfunctional and 'evil.' The only lesson that has stuck with me over the years about all this is ... evil begins as soon as we begin to separate power from love.

Anyway, Galactic, I'm starting a Health Positive newsletter on substak.com I'd like to talk to you about what you mentioned in iQ's dont-take-this-vaccine thread. Could you email me through my site? http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/about-contact/

posted August 25, 2021 01:47 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I have no idea how these women were so attracted to him. He reminds me of my brother-in-law. Creepy. I wonder if women like Allison Mack, were always into more extreme things, like the branding, or if their synastry kicked something off.

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Reminds me of Manson and Ramirez. Scarey to think anyone could idolize these types.
Much less want to be intimate with them.

posted August 25, 2021 07:55 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:

Reminds me of Manson and Ramirez. Scarey to think anyone could idolize these types.
Much less want to be intimate with them...

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+1!