posted August 30, 2021 02:16 PM            

Pluto is sexuality in all things. It aims to create something from nothing, reproduce and regenerate through extreme emotional intensity, one could call it "Divinely Unrefinment" the opposite of Venus and "Divine Refinement". Pluto wants to take it a step further. It wants to find what makes you tick, it can give a person the ability to pick apart any situation and mold it to their benefit. Highly evolved plutonians are formidable, they are the strongest people on earth.

Pluto can easily turn something relatively bad (untamed, wild) and transform it into a tool for the greatness of humanity. For Plutonians, it's all about the intention or principle of something. They are agents of change (as Uranians are agents of chaos). Pluto CAN take you to the darkest depths in order to bring you out more resilient, durable and dynamic. She teaches by attacking your unconsciousness and your innermost fears. Pluto will try to scare you to your face. Pluto energy rewards emotional stamina and facing your fears. Pluto is the "gangster" planet. Show you mean business and you get rewarded. Imitation or phoniness of any kind will get you....killed, maybe not right away, but slowly.

Pluto's psychological brilliance can endow emotional mastery over something. When used right Pluto will give you the world in a way that is natural and cathartic, but only if you have the mental fortitude to deal with your demons. You must conquer your demons and show your worth before Pluto can trust you with her power. Ultimately, Pluto wants to sniff out the wolves from the sheep (real vs. fake), the tricks from the tricksters. Pure detective work.

posted August 31, 2021 12:08 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Pluto is overrated

---

OH SNAP, he didn't, did he?!! lol

To Radium, I thought it was a good write up about the positive expression of Pluto. Curious though, particularly for people that are natally very strongly attuned to Pluto (especially when it's their 1st or 2nd strongest planet), how often would you say that Pluto expresses in a predominantly positive way? Like maybe percentage wise on average, or even just a more general, "majority" or "minority" of time?

posted August 31, 2021 05:54 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Pluto is overrated

---

posted August 31, 2021 06:41 PM            

the rest of Pluto is actually not that positive. The obsessiveness, the single mindeness, the underrground operativeness, the complete disregard of others, the thirst for power.

And the sex thing is so overrated. Unless sex has to be debasing for you to reach exctasy. All the men with Pluto contacting my Venus and Sun have tried to drag me in situations that would debase me, like trying to have sex in public or in place where we could be easily discovered, wanting to try debasing BDSM techniques... One of those men was sexting me WHILE MY MOTHER WAS ON HER DEATH BED!! Talking about the things he wanted to do to me!!! That's the sickness of Pluto obsession.

posted January 14, 2022 02:25 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Belage:
To me, the only positive aspect of Pluto is in the power of self-regeneration. When the native uses it to CHANGE ITSELF. Not to force its will on the world around it.

the rest of Pluto is actually not that positive. The obsessiveness, the single mindeness, the underrground operativeness, the complete disregard of others, the thirst for power.

And the sex thing is so overrated. Unless sex has to be debasing for you to reach exctasy. All the men with Pluto contacting my Venus and Sun have tried to drag me in situations that would debase me, like trying to have sex in public or in place where we could be easily discovered, wanting to try debasing BDSM techniques... One of those men was sexting me WHILE MY MOTHER WAS ON HER DEATH BED!! Talking about the things he wanted to do to me!!! That's the sickness of Pluto obsession.

I have no use for Plutonian sex and love. Pluto does not know love.

---

Mh. How do you think transformation happens? By turning within, going underground, digging deep, thinking about what happened, what role you played and what you could have done differently. You thrive to be better, do better and learn to be true to yourself.

Pluto energies are not any more negative than the others. The typical topics that come up when people talk about Pluto/Scorpio/the 8th house are - generally speaking - pretty irrelevant. The sex thing, the power thing, the darkness thing. Some like to scare people, some like to brag and others are scared or fascinated. It's a dynamic that has little to do with the actual thing, but shows you the level of comfort that people have with this dynamic, if they're projecting or reflecting, if you will. Or attracting.

It's a normal reaction to push awful Scorpio/Pluto experiences away and put the blame onto the people who hurt us. It's not wrong and every experience is unique so they can never be judged from the outside. But. Unless you're a child, you're part of them. Even as a child, you're part of them, but you can't choose better for yourself. As an adult you can.

posted January 14, 2022 07:55 PM            

For the rest, I think you're describing human examples of imbalanced or distorted Pluto — people using it entirely unconsciously. While the mythological archetype of Pluto may seem to point to those kinds of examples (kidnap/rape of Persephone), he is not every person who could be considered to have a Pluto emphasis natally.

I was born with Asc applying to Pluto (within 8°) and am none of the things you described, except for the personal transformation part.

I really wish more people who follow astrology would conceive of and define Pluto (and any planet) by what it is innately rather than by bad human examples. Then again, in the context of this group maybe that means I could offer a clearer example of what Pluto is. Every one of us must develop its energy to a certain fullness before we can pass the spiritual growth markers of this solar system.

------------------
The Declinations Guy | Expert Birth Chart Rectification

posted January 16, 2022 12:18 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Belage, I agree wholeheartedly about personal transformation.

For the rest, I think you're describing human examples of imbalanced or distorted Pluto — people using it entirely unconsciously. While the mythological archetype of Pluto may seem to point to those kinds of examples (kidnap/rape of Persephone), he is not every person who could be considered to have a Pluto emphasis natally.

---

Agreed.

quote:

---

I really wish more people who follow astrology would conceive of and define Pluto (and any planet) by what it is innately rather than by bad human examples.

---

posted January 16, 2022 02:47 AM            

I think of Pluto as being the type of energy that(even to those who are timid) can be the source of strength to the assertion of "no more".

When I watched "Finding Memo" years back, I realized that Pluto is also the morphing of the personality from "unsure" to " this is what I am all about".

Notice how Memo's Dad became increasingly courageous and less timid each time he overcame challenges and resolved in finding his son?

There was a point in the movie where (staring at very clear and present danger)he responded with an affirmative "I didn't come this far to die like this".

And that is what Plu is all about. Its like one makes a "final" decision about the path forward and CANNOT be stopped (whatever the choice is).

The same of true of the evolution of Bilbo Baggins on "The Hobbit". He leaves home ans goes on an "adventure". Each trial with the dwarves of Smaug mountain, strengthening his resolve to complete the mission.

Same was true of Frodo in LOTR with his mate Samwise Gamgee. Both underwent various transformations as they were on the cusp of giving up. But then feeling an overwhelming compulsion to finish etc.

If you think thoughts long enough, they start to have patterns and soon enough their momentum becomes so strong that it is impossible to dump them "cold turkey". You feel compelled to ACT.

The more negative manifestation of this energy I also see as the angry boy who picks up a rifle and goes to school with the sole purpose of avenging his humiliation at the hands of school bullies. He knows he can't return from that stil the same person.He may even die in the process. But its a journey that he is willing to take.

This child has long held thoughts of anger, feeling violated and helpless that they eventually came into a decision that they must do SOMETHING.

No therapist will intercept those long held thought patterns. No last minute apology from the instigators.This train is moving and will crush those on their path-"good" or "bad".

So that is why(atleast for me) Plu represents beginnings/endings all rolled up into one. Because the beginning of something often marks the ending of something else.

There is a feeling of "I am done". There is no looking back. The crossover has happened and is irreversible-this even as the native may want to "stop" it. They just cant.

posted January 16, 2022 03:45 AM            

I have natal Pluto 1H so I personally know the power of this energy very well. 🔥