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sashavittoria
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posted September 01, 2021 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sashavittoria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My North Node (Cap 6th house) is part of a grand trine with Venus/Moon/Eros/Amor conjunction in my 10th house and Jupiter/Cupido (Virgo 2nd house). NN ruler, Saturn, is deposited in my 8th, where it squares my Sun in the 11th and Pluto in the 5th - but sextiles my Mercury/Juno in the 10th. Mercury/Juno square Neptune/Uranus in my 7th, which is ruled by Saturn.

Does all this mean I'm meant to be part of some power couple, or that I need a partner in order to achieve my nodal purpose? That really irks me and my Aries moon...

Now that I think of it, I had been wondering why I always attract Virgo best friends into my life, and I always have some kind of professional or work relationship with them. Someone tell these Virgos I don't need their help!

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posted September 01, 2021 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If your North Node was directly in the 7th, or Saturn in the 7th, I'd might lean towards saying yes, in a sense.

The NN is not conjunct DESC at all?

Hey, you could be like my partner, Aries Moon and Aqua Sun conjunct Aqua South Node in the 1st, but then North Node in the 7th and Venus in the 1st and closest Planet to the Asc, and indeed predominantly Venusian in attunement..= confused and conflicted as heck.

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posted September 01, 2021 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
P.S., people with powerful Virgo think everyone needs their help... even when sometimes they're like that annoying little kid right next to you saying, "I'm helping!" and other people are like (in their head), "...no, clearly you are not."

(Mostly joking, can't really over generalize like that. And also speaking as someone with a pretty good chunk of Virgo).

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posted September 02, 2021 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sashavittoria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, my NN is about 8 degrees away from my DSC. That’s not close enough, is it?

Ha! So true about strong Virgos… just a few hours ago I went to return some practical “gifts” my Virgo moon mother figure bought me. So kind, so thoughtful, so completely off base every time!

I am just worried because I want to succeed on my own and don’t want a relationship.

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posted September 02, 2021 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hard to say, it seems to vary for each person to some extent. The Asc-Desc axis is incredibly important and sensitive, especially to Planetary energies or important other symbols. It could be that it is starting to cusp into the 7th House some, but with primary focus in the 6th?

The Signs and Houses are much like a color wheel in operation. Like the colors on a color wheel, they don't just jump from one color to another color, but gradually phases from one to the other. There is no real "boundary" per se and there are areas of definite, more complex blending.

Then, if your chart is even just a bit off, the N.N. could be even closer to your Desc. And considering what you have described previously with your previous marriage and the intense connection with the other guy, it sounds like close, affecting relationships is a big part of your life and growth path, which would argue for at least feeling the NN some in the 7th to some extent.

You may not want relationships, but your Expanded self level might be like, "haha, we're going to grow through some close, affecting relationships in this life." Guess which part of you ultimately has more control over your life, especially if you're an older Soul with a more mature Expanded self?

And let me ask you, how does the 6th House part show up for you? The Virgos could be explained by other things btw, like strong Mercury contacts to Sun, Mars, Desc, Moon (if female), 5th House (if romantic), 11th (if friends/acquaintances) and/or their ruler(s) and depending on the type of connection. Speaking of the devils..

Lol, funny about your Virgo Moon mother figure.

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posted September 02, 2021 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with GCE. The only people who need a partner to achieve their NN purpose are those with NN in the 7th house of partnership.

Don't fret about achieving your NN purpose. It will rearrange things and people around you so that you have no choice or very little choice but to follow it. At least in your youth.

I have a theory that once you reach a certain age, the grip of the NN lessens. But it only comes after you get a taste of it and realize it's not all it's cracked up to be. That is why vedic astrology warms about the illusion of the NN aka Rahu.

Every time I thought I'd got it made

It seemed the taste was not so sweet
Bowie - Changes

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posted September 02, 2021 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sashavittoria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Galactic and Belage! All you both said makes sense and I agree. I would like to read more into Vedic... I do agree about the NN "shading" a bit towards the 7th house, but I'm relieved it's not actually IN the 7th. Wouldn't a NN in the 8th also need a partner?

To answer your question, Galactic: I feel my NN in the 6th house very strongly, also my SN in the 12th. I have a strong tendency towards escapism, daydreaming, the unconscious, isolation, spirituality, and disidentification from my body. I have attracted addicts into my life, both a parent and partners. But luckily I have Pallas in the 6th also which helps, so I'm able to organize well, and as I've grown older I've become more interested in my body and health, as well as time management and all those things. I've also attracted partners whose luminaries land in my 6th, though not in the same sign as my NN.

I just have SO MANY Virgo suns, moons, and/or ascendants in my life. They are usually extremely close but also dangerously toxic relationships. Never romantic, although my former husband had a strong Virgo SN. My Jupiter and IC are in Virgo, so that must be why.

In any case I do feel I have little choice as you said, Belage.

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posted September 02, 2021 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
P.S., people with powerful Virgo think everyone needs their help... even when sometimes they're like that annoying little kid right next to you saying, "I'm helping!" and other people are like (in their head), "...no, clearly you are not."

(Mostly joking, can't really over generalize like that. And also speaking as someone with a pretty good chunk of Virgo).


Or the Virgo who believes they’re sacrificing so much and being so accommodating to others when they’re nitpicky and self-centred as hell. Clearly I’m thinking of a friend when I said this. She has Sun/Moon/Mercury in Virgo.

Personal opinion aside, what would indicate an extremely self-centred person? Problem is she thinks she’s very self-sacrificing.

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posted September 02, 2021 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

NN in 8th might not need a partner so much in the official sense of it, like getting married, etc, but they will be drawn at times to becoming VERY close and intimate with some select people. Scorpio NN can be similar in that sense also. Yet with both, there can be a lot of fear of that as well. It is very much a push pull desire within them.

Yes, a lot of what you described could be related to 12th SN, and as a Pisces SN, I can definitely relate to that. Also doesn't help that my Moon rules my 12th and is conjunct Saturn the ruler of my Sun and Mercury (hence there is a strong sub tone of combined Lunar and 12th matters shading into my Cap Sun and Merc pattern).

Re: addict partners and the like, I would say that relates more to your Neptune in 7th most likely. The more positive expression of close Uranus Neptune conjunction in Capricorn in the 7th is that you could eventually end up with quite an attuned, mystic-psychic partner--someone really deeply tapped in, fully activated pineal gland.

But with your Sun opposed Scorpio Pluto and Saturn in 8th square Pluto, you have to watch out for the really negative Plutonian types i.e. the very manipulative and power hungry types.

Oh yes, IC and Jupiter in Virgo definitely correlates with that. Also Pisces Mars does as well, especially since Mars is the ruler of your Moon, Mercury, and 5th. And "almost" the ruler of your Venus since it is so, so closely cusping Aries (while conjunct a light in Aries).

Anyways, one of the patterns that I often see in synastry between charts of people especially close is a lot of same and opposite Signs going on between different symbols. Hence, that Pisces Mars, where Mars is a fairly sensitive/highlighted point in your chart, is definitely a factor as well.

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posted September 02, 2021 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More briefly, also consider that generally speaking, strong Virgo tends to feel a 5th house pull to strong Taurus energy. That can also be part of the Virgo pattern along with what I've mentioned. (In turn, strong Taurus tends to feel a 5th type pull and attraction towards strong Capricorn, and in turn strong Capricorn tends to feel a 5th House type pull and attraction to strong Virgo).

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posted September 03, 2021 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Hi Hikaru, I've found what Edgar Cayce said to be quite true in practice, that the most self centered/selfish Planets are Saturn, Mars, Mercury, and Pluto.

I've found that Planetary energies, when strongly highlighted, tend to be stronger in a deeper and more consistent way than Sign. For example, despite my very strong Capricorn Sign energy, in many and deeper ways I relate more deeply to Jupiter.

So people with one or more of those above Planets Angular or strongly connected to the Angles, especially to the Asc, tend to be more self centered/focused than the average.

But it's not like we can completely ignore Signs either, and a very strong emphasis on the personal Sign quadrant CAN contribute to that if the very love and/or collective energies like Venus, Neptune, Jupiter, Sun, and/or Arcturus are not particularly highlighted.

For example, if you had someone with say Mars conjunct the Asc and strong to moderate Saturn, and then a very strong emphasis on the first 4 Signs, you're likely to find a rather self centered/focused individual.

A great example is the ex US pres. D.T. with Leo Rising with Mars closely conjunct his Asc and Sun in Gemini, and then Venus ruler of MC in Cancer closely conjunct Cancer Saturn (closed and very clannish/tribal heart orientation), and also Cancer Mercury i.e. most of his emphasis on the personal Sign quadrant and the very beginning of the interpersonal (Leo). The interesting thing is the Sun conjunct Uranus, but Uranus is one of those extreme planets that can really go either way. (Let's not forget that both Hitler and Edgar Cayce were predominant Uranians that had Uranus conjunct their Asc).

Uranus potentially has a faster vibratory, more positive side, but it also has a rather slower vibratory and selfish side. But with Mars so strong/predominant, the strong emphasis on the personal sign quadrant, and Saturn fairly strong, this tends to bring Uranus down to its slower vibratory and more destructive side. In that case, the person just becomes extra "extra". And indeed, he strikes me as a classic malignant narcissist. And an excellent example of how a chart well and holistically read, can indicate the probable maturity level of the Soul independent of freewill (in this case, a rather immature Soul).

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posted September 03, 2021 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@GCE

My friend has a ton of planets in her first house spread across Virgo and Leo (Saturn/Venus/Moon/Mercury). I'm thinking that's the reason since the 1H is about self. Saturn conjunct his Moon/Venus, Moon conjunct Mercury. Uranus is not strongly featured (in 3H square Venus).

She tends to self-impose/self-invite, perpetually late and questions you if she doesn't get invited to your friend's party (whom she only met once). She's also critical, always complaining, and calculative when it comes to money...

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posted September 03, 2021 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It really depends on what's in the 1st House and especially what is closest to the Asc. A loaded 1st doesn't automatically mean a selfish person. The Asc/1st is better understood as a giant magnification lens and if there is any Planet near same, it gets ultra amplified. Hence, very much depends on the nature of the Planet(s) there, especially the one closest most often.

Someone with Venus, Neptune, and/or Jupiter in the 1st will tend to be very others focused, and at times too much so. Often times downright sacrificial, especially in the case of Neptune or Jupiter.

I should add that Moon tends to be rather self focused too, but not quite to the degree of Saturn, Mars, Mercury, and Pluto. Moon is too passive and emotional to be really mean or destructive in relation to others. Often it is much more a mild and child like narcissism of self focus. Like constantly talking about their weight or appearance, or their crappy relationships or the like.

These 5 planets mentioned, are most strongly connected to the first 3 Centers/glands of the 7 Center human energy system i.e. called Chakras by some Eastern philosophies.

The first 3 Centers relate to the slowest vibratory and most material and ego oriented energies. They are all about survival, sex, power, and self image. They are a necessary part of us, but they are too easily over focused on, especially when in this level and connected to a physical body. Connection to a physical body tends to automatically highlight these to some extent for most. (Though trauma, intense attunement, etc can make a person detach from them over much at times).

It is in the 4th Center, and in Venus, that we first become aware of and really focused on others in a more positive way.

Uranus potentially moves that to a more collective and impersonal way in the 5th Center, and then Neptune and Jupiter finish that up in the 6th Center. Jupiter and Neptune are very connected to Love in a more universal and collective way, which is why they both rule Pisces the last Sign in which Venus is said to be exalted (i.e. lifted up to her highest expression).

The 7th Center does not have any singular astrological correlation, but the Sun comes closest in its potential golden light. The 7th Center relates to the Clear/White Light which is a balanced, integrated, and merged blend of all the other 6 Centers. It is representative/symbolic of Source and pure Love consciousness. (Obviously not an attunement easy for humans to fully express, especially not in a very consistent way. For most of us, we get little glimpses and temporary attunement to this level and often under special or unusual conditions).

Pluto is a bit of an odd man out, in that it can connect to the 1st Center, but also can connect to the 6th Center trying to awaken/activate/realize the 7th. In that sense, Pluto is very connected to the concentrated body electricity in the spinal fluid aka sometimes called "kundalini" aka "serpent energy".

Called serpent because the human spine, from a cross section looks rather like a poised snake, and the ancients noted this similarity a long time ago.

Anyways, I have found that often times, a strong Pluto correlates to the first 3 centers more often than the upper 4 centers.

If people understood these deeper, vibrational connections between the centers to the aura and auric colors and to astrology--especially the Planets, then they would have a much better understanding of evolutionary type astrology i.e. the astrology of outlining the maturity or lack of the Soul in this life in a probable sense.

But of course freewill can change this either for the better or for the worse. Very occasionally you will see a slow vibrational chart that belongs to a more mature person, or a mid and fast vibrational chart that belongs to a more immature and destructive type person. Keith Raniere for example, if he does have a Scorpio Asc, then has a chart closer to the fast vibrational all in all, and yet is sociopathic.

But these are somewhat more rare/uncommon. Most people tend to remain, more or less slaves to their most probable tendencies and patterns. And if there is change, it is often a little tweaking here and there. Humans are nothing if not creatures of habit and inertia on average. This is why astrology can be as accurate as it often is. We don't tend to use our freewill consciously and enough as we could.

People used to argue with me till the cows came home, that you can't see Soul maturity in a chart, but it was clear to me that they had not studied the Cayce work like I had, and/or either had not fully understood its ramifications. Though, I would agree with them to some extent, because I would say that the chart doesn't show us present use of the freewill (and how that might have changed the Natal chart). It only shows us how the Soul used freewill in the past sense and is what created the present chart. We chose to be born at the time we did, because that symbolically aligns, in an outer way, to the inner patterns we have built up due to freewill use. A kind of Jungian synchronicity, and which can happen because we live in a reality that is completely interconnected on a fundamental/core way and level--the Oneness of the Whole and one level can mirror or reflect another. No different than reading tea leaves, nor tarot cards or any kind of divination technique, except that astrology is a particularly deep, balanced, holistic and well thought out language of consciousness. Probably the best out there.

Very, very deep stuff.

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posted September 03, 2021 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Even if you have north node in the 7th I still feel you can fulfill your northnode destiny without getting married.

The 7th is about partnerships, so a police officer and their partner, therapists and their clients, two lawyers opening a private practice, two people investing on a biz and running a business together. Two best friends, two siblings ECT...

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posted September 03, 2021 06:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@GCE
Well, my friend is apparently very self-centred, so much so that friends are distancing her, excluding her from social groups because she demands to be put on a pedestal. I was hoping that you could help me understand what in her chart is pointing to that.

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posted September 03, 2021 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@GCE

...I was hoping that you could help me understand what in her chart is pointing to that.


I did, indirectly. It is correlated to the Saturn, Mercury, and Moon in their 1st House. 3 highly self focused symbols vs 1 others focused symbol (Venus).

If these were weights on a scale balance, pretty sure the balance would tip to the side of Saturn/Mercury/Moon i.e. self centered. If Venus wasn't there as well, likely they would be even much worse, and perhaps even criminal level of selfish and materialistic.

But the whole chart needs to be taken into account at the same time as well.

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posted September 03, 2021 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Even if you have north node in the 7th I still feel you can fulfill your northnode destiny without getting married.

The 7th is about partnerships, so a police officer and their partner, therapists and their clients, two lawyers opening a private practice, two people investing on a biz and running a business together. Two best friends, two siblings ECT...



Yeah, more generally, the 7th is about particularly close and/or affecting connections/relationships. It doesn't have to be romantic. Like you said, a very close friendship or very close family members can come under 7th.

Also open enemies come under 7th House connections, and I've had a couple of those. It is psychologically pressing in a different way than positive, loving closeness, but both still get inside your psyche intensely.

The two lawyers opening up a private practice together example, would probably be more of a 8th House pattern, unless the people were very close otherwise in which case it would also involve the 7th. 8th is more specifically shared resources and business partnerships.

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posted September 05, 2021 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sashavittoria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gold!! Thank you all! I'm so glad I found this forum.

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posted September 06, 2021 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sashavittoria:
Gold!! Thank you all! I'm so glad I found this forum.

We appreciate your appreciation. I'm glad you found us as well. You should post more often if you feel nudged. Besides any altruistic reasons for saying that, I also don't want to look like such an over talkative/expressive asshat with my sign up being in July 2021 with 634 posts and your sign up being from November 2012 with 284 posts... I look like a severe LL addict compared to you!
(But no, seriously, please post more so I feel better about self...) Lol j/k!

(Like it or not, communication in relation the larger public and especially groups, is a big part of this self's life path).

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posted September 06, 2021 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sashavittoria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Galactic, you are adding light so there is no need to feel self conscious plus, I will catch up to you eventually! My Aries Mercury can’t help it

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Nah uh, I have Sun square Pluto. That's like DC level, the Dark Knight Batman dark...

(I have to keep up a dark reputation cause the lasses love a bad boy).

Re: your Aries Mercury, bring it on! Ram vs Goat, the final showdown.

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posted September 07, 2021 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sashavittoria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you’re on!

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posted September 07, 2021 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://youtu.be/nlYlNF30bVg
http://youtu.be/3NU33PXtf-4

Alright, battle cry has been sounded! (Tremble before the mighty goat cries!)

(How long will he beat this dead goat, no one knows.)

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Great question (Here for the replies).

I have mars in Sagittarius conjunct NN in the 7th. My Pluto in Scorpio rules my 7th house and is also conjunct my mars. Pluto is in the 6th house.

I have always desired companionship, but have always been encouraged to go solo and focus on myself. I am not motivated on enthusiastic about life unless I am in a relationship, honestly. I used to chalk it up to low self-esteem and codependency and it actually was until I started growing into myself and becoming more self aware. My desire for partnership wasn't wrong or even the fact that I actually need that dynamic to thrive, it was the way I was going about the whole thing.

I have always assumed my mars conjuncting my NN meant my purpose was definitely tied to men and my father.

Now at 27 going on 28.. I believe this to be nothing but the truth.

My purpose is to uncover the truth about the men in my relationships and in my life in general.

Mars also rules my 12H.

I have been through more than my fair share of drama and abuse with men just like many women, but I think the struggle is a little more personal to me because it is my purpose.

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