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Topic: Tr Pluto Conjunct Natal Northnode
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hypatia238
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posted September 03, 2021 11:12 PM
  
Any thoughts about this transit?
Anybody experiencing this? Pluto has been going retro and direct back and forth between 24 to 26 degrees for a long time so if you have northnode in Capricorn around there you would be experiencing this and it would be a highlight for some time.What do you think about this transit? I have a client going through this and just want to get more perspective on this. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted September 04, 2021 11:02 AM
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GalacticCoreExplosionV2
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posted September 04, 2021 03:34 PM
It probably depends a lot on how well or not the person in question has integrated the North Node path and lessons up until the present. If they have already done a pretty good job of that, it might just be a time of them more powerfully expressing that North Node path and lessons. If not, well lets just say, it might not be all that fun. Pluto can indicate dredging up all that deeply buried, unconscious crap that we just don't want to deal with, especially in relation to the South Node AND the need to move more towards the North Node. The person might attract people or life conditions that mirror their South Node, but like on roids or in a "fun house mirror" kind of way i.e. disturbing and/or distorting. It can be a real "wake up call" of get your butt into gear and start working on your issues. I'm speaking from primarily intuition, and an understanding of the symbols, in the above though, not so much from a set of observation data. It is usually good to have a combination, sort of like right and left brain hemispheres working together as a whole--helps to see a more full picture. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted September 04, 2021 04:40 PM
I went through that. Since my natal Northnode is in my house of career, I became obsessed with my career. It seemed like it held the promise of everything to me. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted September 04, 2021 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
It probably depends a lot on how well or not the person in question has integrated the North Node path and lessons up until the present. If they have already done a pretty good job of that, it might just be a time of them more powerfully expressing that North Node path and lessons. If not, well lets just say, it might not be all that fun. Pluto can indicate dredging up all that deeply buried, unconscious crap that we just don't want to deal with, especially in relation to the South Node AND the need to move more towards the North Node. The person might attract people or life conditions that mirror their South Node, but like on roids or in a "fun house mirror" kind of way i.e. disturbing and/or distorting. It can be a real "wake up call" of get your butt into gear and start working on your issues. I'm speaking from primarily intuition, and an understanding of the symbols, in the above though, not so much from a set of observation data. It is usually good to have a combination, sort of like right and left brain hemispheres working together as a whole--helps to see a more full picture.
This was actually really helpful! thank you! I think your intuition is correct.
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hypatia238
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posted September 04, 2021 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by Belage:
I went through that. Since my natal Northnode is in my house of career, I became obsessed with my career. It seemed like it held the promise of everything to me.
I could see how in your case it played out this way, you are pretty balanced and self aware so I could see how it just highlighted and amped up your drive more, adding intensity to your northnode path that you were already on. IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosionV2
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posted September 04, 2021 07:32 PM
You're welcome Hypatia. Hopefully more people besides just Belage chime in with their experiences, as well. I'm kind of curious to see what others might say from that experiential perspective. IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa
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posted September 06, 2021 05:18 AM
Hypatia, I have the north node in Capricorn and I so against going to my north node. Since Pluto is there, I have done a lot of things to solve my problems - it's in the 6th house and Saturn is there too, not conjunct the north node. I had a lot of energy to do a lot of things, but now I realise that those things are misleading and it will only make me feel bitter. Having south node in Cancer, I find myself often crying and behaving like a child and not wanting to deal with the world and I still think that I'm not good at facing life and I'll never will. I think Pluto being there made me thing about the things that I desire in my life - Capricorn 6th house, and that those things are so not lasting and bitter and stable, but in the end making me loose contact with my emotional life, becoming pragmatic, objective. I gave up on this thoughts this year even though last year I was ready to go all the way in for my north node... now I don't want to hear from it. IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosionV2
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posted September 06, 2021 10:45 AM
We're not meant to forsake our south node, but to balance, integrate, and merge it with the north node. Often with the south node comes certain gifts, talents, and other positive things. It's just been too much of a focus for too long so we have to swing to the polar opposite some to balance it out. IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa
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posted September 06, 2021 12:19 PM
Yeah, it helps balance the south node, in my case, south node cancer 12th house makes me lose myself and the north node makes me too harsh and pragmatic. Its just my view that those are not the real path, but just something that is very proeminent in our lives. I think that the traditional view on nodes is more accurate than the modern view on them. IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosionV2
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posted September 06, 2021 12:31 PM
I think the picture is more complex. I think a combo of Sun, MC, and North Node gives a more full and accurate picture of what our life path is and should look like, and what we are trying to grow more towards.
(Funny that mine is all Earth, when I come from such a Watery and Air past i.e. the combo of Moon, IC, and South Node. I guess this is a whipped Mud lifetime). IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted September 06, 2021 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I could see how in your case it played out this way, you are pretty balanced and self aware so I could see how it just highlighted and amped up your drive more, adding intensity to your northnode path that you were already on.
Tr. Pluto did that. Giving me the illusion that it with my NN together held the secret to my happiness and fullfillment. All these are illusions... IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa
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posted September 06, 2021 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by Belage:
Tr. Pluto did that. Giving me the illusion that it with my NN together held the secret to my happiness and fullfillment. All these are illusions...
I felt the same... i think that it stopped feeling like that because its retrograded now. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted September 06, 2021 02:55 PM
Interesting, you guys feel like Pluto on the northnode made you feel like everything was just going to come together but it was more like an illusion.Does your northnode aspect NEPTUNE by any chance? I would think transit pluto on the northnode will burn off what needs to be burned off, make you end relationships that are not serving your path and that sort of thing, help you let go of patterns in your life that you have outgrown and no longer serve you in order to clear out your way. IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa
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posted September 06, 2021 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Interesting, you guys feel like Pluto on the northnode made you feel like everything was just going to come together but it was more like an illusion.Does your northnode aspect NEPTUNE by any chance? I would think transit pluto on the northnode will burn off what needs to be burned off, make you end relationships that are not serving your path and that sort of thing, help you let go of patterns in your life that you have outgrown and no longer serve you in order to clear out your way.
Yes thats what happened to me. But at the same time, it was difficult, i dont know if this stops to thw house placement, or it could impact your whole life, considering how proeminent is the north node in our lives, but in the last few years, I met a lot of people that were not good for me. I had to witness some situations that are not normal to happen. Maybe this transit had something to do with this. And all I could do was to accept the situations as they were and move on with a closed heart and less faith in people and life in general. I noticed that those that have this natally, live a turbulent life, full of dangers. Also those with pluto conjunct the south node.
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hypatia238
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posted September 06, 2021 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
Yes thats what happened to me. But at the same time, it was difficult, i dont know if this stops to thw house placement, or it could impact your whole life, considering how proeminent is the north node in our lives, but in the last few years, I met a lot of people that were not good for me. I had to witness some situations that are not normal to happen. Maybe this transit had something to do with this. And all I could do was to accept the situations as they were and move on with a closed heart and less faith in people and life in general. I noticed that those that have this natally, live a turbulent life, full of dangers. Also those with pluto conjunct the south node.
Thank you for sharing your observations! We are hitting something for sure now, I can connect what you are saying more with my client's experience. He is in a constant state of fight or flight and yes a bit disillusioned with the world currently, not feeling safe or like he can trust others, ended a relationship were he feels the girl is lying about something big that makes him not feel safe but he was in love with her. The theme in his life now has been not feeling safe and feeling in danger. Every time he walks into my office I can tell his fight or flight response is activated. I appreciate him a lot, he is a kindred spirit, very open and authentic and I see myself in him in many ways. He also has moon in saggy conjunct neptune and I worry there may be some paranoia playing out with this placement and pluto also activating his nodes. He definitely is struggling with PTSD but I am not sure if he has PTSD with psychotic symptoms or just PTSD. He had a traumatic incident happen around 3 years ago and I think it set this off for him. Interesting enough 3 years ago tr PLUTO was squaring his CHIRON and inconjuncting his VENUS conjunct NESSUS, he was in an abusive relationship with a girl who hit him with a golf club and this led to other traumatic stuff taking place that activated his fight or flight and since then I think he has been in a state of trauma response, things trigger him and then he gets paranoid and doesn't feel safe. I hope Tr PLUTO now conjuncting his Northnode will help him work through this so he can put it behind him and find peace again  Perhaps this transit for him is about healing the incident that took place when transit Pluto was squaring his Chiron and inconjuncting his VENUS. IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosionV2
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posted September 06, 2021 06:00 PM
Pain and discomfort often accompany Pluto transits, and it's not uncommon for humans to try to avoid pain in different ways. And North Node is already a somewhat uncomfortable place for us. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted September 06, 2021 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Interesting, you guys feel like Pluto on the northnode made you feel like everything was just going to come together but it was more like an illusion.Does your northnode aspect NEPTUNE by any chance? I would think transit pluto on the northnode will burn off what needs to be burned off, make you end relationships that are not serving your path and that sort of thing, help you let go of patterns in your life that you have outgrown and no longer serve you in order to clear out your way.
My NN has a wide sextile with Neptune, so I don't think Neptune is a factor. The problem with NN and Pluto together in transit is that for me, it promised more than it delivered. In a chart, there is not 1 single planet or aspect that is the key to happiness. The NN is not the key to happiness. It speaks of certain things you are going to be compelled to do, but it is absolutely not guaranteed you will get a sense of satisfaction or happiness. Especially if natally, your NN squares other planets. The NN gets to do what it wants to do, but sometimes the squared planets may or may not be along for the ride In my natal chart. my NN squares my sun. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted September 06, 2021 07:02 PM
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My NN has a wide sextile with Neptune, so I don't think Neptune is a factor. The problem with NN and Pluto together in transit is that for me, it promised more than it delivered. In a chart, there is not 1 single planet or aspect that is the key to happiness. The NN is not the key to happiness. It speaks of certain things you are going to be compelled to do, but it is absolutely not guaranteed you will get a sense of satisfaction or happiness. Especially if natally, your NN squares other planets. The NN gets to do what it wants to do, but sometimes the squared planets may or may not be along for the ride In my natal chart. my NN squares my sun.
Well what house is saturn in for you? and what sign is your saturn in? I find it interesting this transit made you feel like it will bring you happiness so I wonder about your northnode ruler placements. I don't think the nodes are about finding happiness but I do feel the more you balance out your nodes the more at peace you may feel internally and the more grounded you will feel. I definitely feel the nodes are super important but I don't connect them with happiness but with growth and growth is painful but stimulating too, the nodes are the most sensitive point of your moon and I think the more you work through your nodes the more grounded and at peace you will feel but when we talk about happiness I think of moments in our lives were we feel specially alive or connected to others but we never stop experiencing moments of sadness or stress, you just get better at releasing those as you grow older. If our emotional needs are important for us to feel content and at peace internally then the most sensitive point of your moon will play a role in you feeling balanced internally.
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hypatia238
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posted September 06, 2021 07:07 PM
The more I think about it the more this transit is making think:What needs to pass away so you can integrate more your northnode? IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa
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posted September 07, 2021 01:36 AM
I don't know, but all this happened since Pluto entered the house of the north node. I have there Uranus and Neptune too and since then I don't feel safe anymore. I always have to do something to save myself and my life. It really gives me a sense of danger and that I always have to save myself taking things from the point of view of putting myself first. I don't think this will end for me because it will move to the 7 house in like 3-4 years and there are other things to take care of then. For me it's a good thing that I don't have hard aspects to the nodes, and that pluto makes a trine to my moon right now, but still, I don't think that I'm going to ever be able to trust anything after all of this. IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa
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posted September 07, 2021 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Interesting, you guys feel like Pluto on the northnode made you feel like everything was just going to come together but it was more like an illusion..
I wanted to add a thing about this... It felt like an illusion because in traditional astrology, the north node shows the things that we crave and we think that those things will make us happy, but in the end we are never satisfied when we get them and we always want more. With Pluto there, could be an obsession too to bring those things into our lives. I know that I did a lot of things and I actually thought that I was going to be happy with them, but I don't know why or how it happened that I was out of that image. Coupled with the fact that there are a lot of things that keep happening that move me to change the path all the time. I don't think the guy that you are helping is going to pass that trauma because Pluto is there. It's just going to get worse. Probably other transits will help him heal, but as I experienced Pluto in my life until now, those are scars that never heal, Pluto just destroys so the native can rebuild, but doesn't rebuild with Pluto, it just teaches the native to give up and find the power to continue as damaged as he/she is. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted September 07, 2021 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Well what house is saturn in for you? and what sign is your saturn in?I find it interesting this transit made you feel like it will bring you happiness so I wonder about your northnode ruler placements. I don't think the nodes are about finding happiness but I do feel the more you balance out your nodes the more at peace you may feel internally and the more grounded you will feel. I definitely feel the nodes are super important but I don't connect them with happiness but with growth and growth is painful but stimulating too, the nodes are the most sensitive point of your moon and I think the more you work through your nodes the more grounded and at peace you will feel but when we talk about happiness I think of moments in our lives were we feel specially alive or connected to others but we never stop experiencing moments of sadness or stress, you just get better at releasing those as you grow older. If our emotional needs are important for us to feel content and at peace internally then the most sensitive point of your moon will play a role in you feeling balanced internally.
Good questions. I have Saturn in Scorpio in the dreaded 8th house. After seemingly effing things up for me in my youth in the scariest ways (SEVERE sexual dysfunctions, always being broke, having to work hard for every penny, afraid of death etc...), turned out to be a blessing once I reached maturity. I am no longer "afraid" of 8th house things, and not only that, I now do them better than most people I know. I can look at death in the eyes. I have gotten inheritance out of nowhere, money now flows to me. I now own and enjoy my sexuality at an age where most women have shut down that part of themselves. My body is phenomenally healthy and beautiful by any standard. I am constantly turning down men half my age. Just the other day at the farmer's market, I was admiring a bouquet of flowers and this young man insisting on buying it for me. Life is good. And I am not even Saturnian, I am Jupiterian, lol, yet Saturn has brought me many blessings. As for the nodes, while I acknowledge their importance on a societal level, as they are markers and benchmarks of the collective's journey as we go through planet earth, I feel that the grip of the nodes on me in my individual journey has been greatly released. I get to do and become what "I" want to do and become. Not what the nodes tell me to do. ETA: I am not saying all of this to brag, but to bring in the point that there is no such things as a effed up chart. Properly navigated, every chart is a blessing. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted September 07, 2021 02:39 PM
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Good questions.I have Saturn in Scorpio in the dreaded 8th house. After seemingly effing things up for me in my youth in the scariest ways (SEVERE sexual dysfunctions, always being broke, having to work hard for every penny, afraid of death etc...), turned out to be a blessing once I reached maturity. I am no longer "afraid" of 8th house things, and not only that, I now do them better than most people I know. I can look at death in the eyes. I have gotten inheritance out of nowhere, money now flows to me. I now own and enjoy my sexuality at an age where most women have shut down that part of themselves. My body is phenomenally healthy and beautiful by any standard. I am constantly turning down men half my age. Just the other day at the farmer's market, I was admiring a bouquet of flowers and this young man insisting on buying it for me. Life is good.
hahahahahaha GOOD FOR YOU GIRL! I looooooooved reading this  NICE! Very inspiring for sure so thanks for sharing. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted September 07, 2021 02:41 PM
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And I am not even Saturnian, I am Jupiterian, lol, yet Saturn has brought me many blessings.
I hear you I have Saturn in scorpio conjunct PLUTO in Libra and love this aspect, I feel it gives me resilience and the desire to face and confront all my fears so it stops having any power over me, I have definitely confronted my fears as well so can relate to what you are saying. IP: Logged |
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