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plutonianmenace
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posted October 16, 2021 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
According to research I have done, my Saturn Return will start on either January or February 2022. I did the whole Saturn Return calculator and got mixed answers.

My Saturn is in Aquarius and if we use the Placidus house system, it sits in my 6th house. I don't want to share my full story but 2020 and 2021 have been by far the most testing years of my life so far, not looking forward to 2022 at all.

I don't really want to share my full story, yet, or probably ever. I did however thought I'd share some observations I have had as I get closer and closer to it before my Saturn goes exact. Saturn also squares Uranus in the transit so I'd include that in my observations too.

Oh yeah, it's gonna test you for sure.

I have lost a loved one this year and it broke me to the point where I cried more than I had ever cried before. My job situation was hectic as I dealt with troublesome coworkers and one in particular who relied on mind games and cruelty to get their way. It is almost like every month presents some sort of a sh-t test from life where Saturn is trying to just probe at your patience and see how far it can take you before you break. I have broken down and became manic a few times. At times, I'd have moments of rage like none other and was happy I was by myself in my place.

You will start to rethink about what really matters.

My Saturn is in my 6th house which they say is supposed to be the house of work. Before my Saturn Return, I'd have no work-life balance. I'd do extra work on the weekends to make sure I was getting ahead on the weekdays. Working remote had me doing more than I would have liked but I did it voluntarily. After my Saturn return, once I am done, I am done. I do not go the extra mile for work anymore and just see it as that, a job. I have had the push in myself to start my own business and pursue entrepreneurship but find it hard to see where to start.

The other way it starts to have me re-evaluating what matters is that I do not care anymore about perception at work. The old me used to care about what my boss would think of me or what anyone would see me as. The new me could care less for happy hours or any of that nonsense networking. In many ways, I have a handful of people at work I chat with but I have started to almost cringe at people who try to make good impressions on leadership by kissing up and trying to fit in.

Old me used to think I'd better learn golf to fit in with leadership or whatever. I feel like I am starting to care less about that and take the whole mindset of the right people finding me if I do the job right.

I have also become comfortable with losing friends, something the younger me used to fear. I rather live in solitude if it means that I can be happy with my beliefs and who I am rather than having to adjust them just to fit in. I have lost contact with a lot of my friends which I thought would destroy me but I am actually happy for it. It is as if losing weekends where I am drinking all day with friends to working on my hobbies has been a blessing rather than a curse. I actually value my solitude.

Your belief systems are going to be tested like none other.

Before moving back home for a bit, I lived in a city that I loved more than any other on the planet. The culture, the food, the people, and the ample amount of things to do made me think that I will live there for decades. Then the pandemic happened and given that it was a large liberal city, first the lockdowns came. After the lockdowns, things started to open up a bit and slowly get back to normal. Then the vaccine mandates came and rents were no longer cheap, rather they increased. Then the crime started to rise and most of all, the locals were not to my liking anymore. Everyone cheered for more vaccine mandates, more government, and more totalitarianism.

I started to butt heads more with locals because I didn't wear a mask in public as well. While you can stand wherever you want on this topic and I hope for it to not be political, I no longer loved the city. I wanted to make it work and I wanted to fulfill my dream of living there long-term but I started to have my doubts. I stubbornly held on to beliefs like none other until it became financially, mentally, and socially unfeasible.

Could be the Saturn square Uranus transit but be nimble and ready for change, like NOW.

After thinking it through, I had to give it up and left a city I had fallen in love with and thought I'd consider a home forever. I finally called it quits and left the old city as my lease was expiring to head back home for a bit. Then, I decided that it was time for me to go to a state and city where I loved the leadership, which I never really did in my old city, and agree with their ways. Even that in and of itself has been rough as this place has its downfalls and its been a tough transition.

I have found that the transit has forced my hand into moving and changing parts of my life fast. Before, I could grin and bear it, now I cannot.

Old me could deal with the radical liberalism of a city because I cared little of the politics. I could ignore and just go about living my life, getting my drinks, partying, and ignore political conversations. Then they pushed mandates and policies that affected me even more daily that my hand was forced and I had to leave.

Old situations come up again, almost begging you and asking you how your reaction is going to be different this time.

I was a bitter guy in my youth, particularly my college years. I didn't fit in with the rich kids and had a tough time making friends in an environment where people swear making friends is a given. I made some friends but I remember being angry at the well-connected guys and girls who were there with their groups. It drove me mad, why can't I have that? I faced the same after college too when I stuck around in a nearby city for work, being a misfit.

Young attractive people with their friends and their cliques while ole me was by myself. Thankfully, moving to the city of my dreams changed all of that and I made more friends and had more dates than what I knew what to do with.

Now I moved to a new city and I witness the same instances hitting me now. I live in an area where a lot of 20 and 30 somethings live and it is the same college type of vibe. Large groups of beautiful women out with their boyfriends and friends, that same cliquey vibe, but its different now.

I guess I have changed. I am no longer bitter about it and can just live my life in peace. Yet, Saturn threw it my way or life did maybe to say to me "so let's see how this time around is different?".

I've faced this numerous times in my new town with various situations. The Deja Vu hit me so many times. But at the end, it matters so much how you control what you can and how you react to it.

I'll elaborate a bit more later on.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted October 16, 2021 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My article defines the Saturn return and when it begins/ends:
The Saturn Return

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You will start to rethink about what really matters.

Yes. That's as good a concise summary as you can make about the Saturn return for most people. What is of substances for you that will last? What is needed as a foundation for your life from here forward?

Belief systems being tested is something else. I think you're conflating the Saturn return with other longer transits you're undergoing. I suggest you read my articles on Pluto's transit conjunct/parallel natal Uranus and Pluto's transit conjunct/parallel natal Neptune

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posted October 17, 2021 05:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your thoughts. Mine also starts in February

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Dumuzi
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posted October 17, 2021 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my saturn return was heroin fueled so 🤷‍♀️ had some upsides

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plutonianmenace
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posted October 17, 2021 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
My article defines the Saturn return and when it begins/ends:
The Saturn Return

Yes. That's as good a concise summary as you can make about the Saturn return for most people. What is of substances for you that will last? What is needed as a foundation for your life from here forward?

Belief systems being tested is something else. I think you're conflating the Saturn return with other longer transits you're undergoing. I suggest you read my articles on Pluto's transit conjunct/parallel natal Uranus and Pluto's transit conjunct/parallel natal Neptune



The new thing I learned from your post is the 5 degrees part, my Saturn has not gotten to that point but will do so around January.

Out of curiosity, do you recommend using the placidus or the whole sign system for evaluating a saturn return in a natal chart?

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Kannon McAfee
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posted October 18, 2021 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I always recommend Placidus, which is the most accurate house system so long as your Asc is as precisely accurate as possible (birth time recorded to minute of clock time does not guarantee that; most birth charts are at least a couple degrees off).

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posted October 19, 2021 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I always recommend Placidus, which is the most accurate house system so long as your Asc is as precisely accurate as possible (birth time recorded to minute of clock time does not guarantee that; most birth charts are at least a couple degrees off).


what if your ascendant is at a very late degree and bordering on the next ascendant?

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Kannon McAfee
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posted October 20, 2021 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
plutonianmenace,

That highlights even more the need to test and verify the precise accuracy of the Asc.

Often (depending on latitude of birth) such an Asc will produce a 1st-7th interception, creating a combination of the sign of the Asc + what is wholly swallowed up in the 1st house. So for example, Asc in the last couple degrees of Leo with 1st house interception brings Virgo into the mix of the personality. It's best seen as a kind of hybrid personality.

It's not a matter of a cusp situation that can go both ways. Having a genuine Asc 0-2° of any sign does not include any of the previous sign, which would have rotated up above the horizon into the 12th.

As to the verification of the Asc, my very Virgoan/Pluto personality led me to study this over the last 20 years and learn how to do it with consistent accuracy. It does depend on having enough life events with specific dates (like multiple moves of residence). So it's hard to do when someone is still a teen. Generally, someone needs to be at least in their mid-20s.

When I talk about this Asc precision stuff, especially to young people in online forums, the typical response is that they know their birth time is accurate. But there's no way for them to know. They just know that a record was made of a specific minute of time. That's a great starting place and you can read the chart with the assumption of reliability for planet-in-sign and planetary aspects interpretation, transits too. But when you get to these nuances of the Asc & cusps where just a minute of clock time (or less) could rotate a cusp from one sign to another, that's when the astrologer needs more mastery of ability to handle those nuances and know how to utilize them towards precision casting of the natal chart. Otherwise, interpretation will be off and the astrologer will make statements that just are not true.

Sometimes the recorded birth time says Asc should be 28-29° of a sign when the real Asc is early in the next sign. There are ways to find that out and I've developed rising sign descriptions that always help in the process. And I always listen to the person in question and get their feedback to be sure.

I think I've written enough about it. Thanks for asking.

And thank you for the compliment you gave me in your US Pluto return thread.

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posted October 22, 2021 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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