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Topic: what’s with the lies about when the USA Pluto Return goes exact?
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spacecadet42420
Knowflake Posts: 76
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Registered: Jun 2021
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posted November 08, 2021 12:31 PM
  
Am i misinformed? I’ve been using the date/time/location of the signing of the declaration of independence on july 4th 1776 as the chart for the USA. Using this chart, Pluto returns to the exact degree of USA’s natal Pluto at 27° on February 3rd, 2022. I have been seeing a lot of misinformation saying that the exact date of return is 2/22/2022, i’ve even seen some go as far to say it happens at exactly 2:22pm. Given time zones, this will be false for a lot of the US. But my point is, does anyone know why people are saying this? Is it just the urge to make this event more mystical than it actually is?I’ve also noticed that the same people saying this are typically the ones who also don’t understand that we’ve been in the Pluto Return for almost two years already, as it started it’s applying conjunction back in January of 2020, which applies perfectly considering the downward spiral of covid, economic collapse, civil unrest and civil divide in this country.
I just wonder if it’s because they heard one person say it and now they are just repeating it without actually searching the transits themselves or what’s up with it.
Just wondering if anyone else has noticed this or has any ideas on why people feel the need to lie to make this transit more numerologically pleasing.
I guess I could be wrong but i’ve double, triple and quadruple checked the transit dates and times. I’m not sure what other chart people could possibly be using as the USA natal chart. This chart puts pluto in capricorn in usa 2nd house which makes perfect sense to me, but alas i guess i could be wrong. IP: Logged |
Belage
Knowflake Posts: 5143
From: USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 08, 2021 01:11 PM
I think it is incorrect to label different astrological perspectives as "lies".By the way did you notice that in the US natal chart, Pluto was retrograde? Therefore if you are going to be very technical about USA Pluto return, you should look for when Pluto would be retro on that exact point, not direct. And as I noted in another thread, that would be on/around July 12, 2022. Again, different astrological perspectives, not necessary lies. ETA: Considering Pluto is such a slow moving planet and the lord of the underworld, ie, things unseen, exactness of return is not necessarily the most important factor, as the return will be under way long before it turns exact. IP: Logged |
spacecadet42420
Knowflake Posts: 76
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Registered: Jun 2021
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posted November 08, 2021 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by Belage:
I think it is incorrect to label different astrological perspectives as "lies".By the way did you notice that in the US natal chart, Pluto was retrograde? Therefore if you are going to be very technical about USA Pluto return, you should look for when Pluto would be retro on that exact point, not direct. And as I noted in another thread, that would be on/around July 12, 2022. Again, different astrological perspectives, not necessary lies. ETA: Considering Pluto is such a slow moving planet and the lord of the underworld, ie, things unseen, exactness of return is not necessarily the most important factor, as the return will be under way long before it turns exact.
yeah, i’m aware. hence why i said i quadruple checked exact degree and arch minute. it is several weeks before 2/22/2022. i call it “lies” because i assume there has to be a motive behind saying it goes exact on a date that it doesn’t. clearly you did not read my entire post as i put emphasis on the fact that pluto transits are long term. why are you so upset about it? it’s not “different astrological views” it’s either right or it’s wrong. it’s mathematical orbital pattern and time. it is either right or it is wrong. IP: Logged |
Belage
Knowflake Posts: 5143
From: USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 08, 2021 01:33 PM
I was not aware that my post was coming out as upset... I can assure you there is nothing about your post that is upsetting to me.
Anyway, would you like to share with us more contexts, as for instance the posts or blogs where you saw people claiming the return is 2/22/22? They probably explain why they see things this way.IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee
Knowflake Posts: 4799
From: Portland, OR - USA
Registered: Oct 2011
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posted November 08, 2021 02:43 PM
Why not just ask the person who gave those dates for the source they used? Sometimes people will pass on an opinion that is an error rather than looking at the original source. Or they may be using a different dated birth chart. Or they may've simply made an ordinary human mistake in looking up Pluto's passes through that area. Why not assume human error or slight differences in planetary algorithms used in ephemerides or programming? ------------------
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