posted December 08, 2021 08:41 AM            

And specially the AC and MC seem to 'pull' the last degrees of a house towards them.

So how much (degrees or percentage maybe ?) of the last house is counted in the next,
depending on their size, placement at angles,
other factors like elements : fire, water...
or energies like cardinal, fixed, mutable
or does it individually depend on the chart owner as well ?

posted December 12, 2021 02:26 AM            

There isn't a single answer to your question that can clarify an underlying principle of interpretation for all cases. It depends on context: natal or tranits/progressions.

First, there is a difference between a planet being IN a house and being in aspect to that house's cusp. A planet does not need to be IN the 2nd house to be aligned or in aspect to the 2nd house cusp. It can be parallel the 2nd h. cusp in declination, or making another aspect in longitude, such as a conjunction. A conjunction to a cusp does not change the location of that planet by house — IF you have the cusps precisely drawn with certainty.

And that brings up the core issue: most astrologers do not align birth charts precisely according to knowable astrological information and tests. It's just not convenient or they don't know how.

Back to why there are different answers regarding interpretation of 'cuspy' planets ...

For example, if you are talking the natal chart there is one answer: planets rotate with the sky as it rotates eastward to the eastern horizon (rising point). So a cusp, as with the Asc, is the last point at which that planet is in that house. As a sign rises, say Virgo, and takes the Sun there with it, it first passes the 2nd house cusp as it enters the 1st. Only as it passes the Asc does it enter the 12th.

If you are talking transits, there is another answer. The natal is a stationary backdrop. Transiting planets move in the opposite direction from the zodiac as it did when it set the natl chart. Except for the lunar nodes, all move planets move westward, rising towards the natal DC. So as they do, they first encounter the cusp of a house before entering it, in contrast to natal conditions. Same with planetary progressions (which are transits as well, from early life).

But still, the principle of location is different from aspect: a planet can be about to enter the 4th house, but be in more precise aspect alignment with another house cusp. This is the subtlety lost on astrologers who don't use declinations and don't know how to check a natal chart for precision accuracy.

And that's the most important thing here: know the precisely accurate Asc, which will give precisely accurate house cusps (in the Placidus system at least for latitutdes under 60° north/south). That's the best place to start. Too many charts have inaccurate cusps because the Asc is inaccurate because the chart was never aligned with precision.

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The Declinations Guy | Expert Birth Chart Rectification

posted December 12, 2021 12:56 PM            

I just looked for some translations and the English word 'deck' and found this :

http://previews.123rf.com/images/komisar4/komisar41412 /komisar4141200987/34675783-on-the-deck-of-an-old-sailing-ship.jpg

It's not that old but isn't it beautiful ?
I always liked the 3 dimensional experience of the the physical universe, to which our daily, earthly life belongs as well.

I'd like to re-learn, maybe read books, to regain my knowledge from that past life again, maybe I'll start with the declinations.

posted December 18, 2021 01:53 PM            

I'm actually very interested and tried to understand all of your interesting informations in depth,
but as I'm missing much of the necessary astronomical and some astrological background knowledge,
plus reading up on things thoroughly and typing takes me very long due to a visual handicap...

Meanwhile I'll try to get more information about the astronomical backgrounds of the different concepts of the house-systems...
No clue even about what a house is astronomically or how for example the MC is calculated
(although I can interpret it astrologically to a degree), never worked with progressions. 😁
Read some basics about declinations, but only the AC is (astromically + astrologically)
totally clear to me so far.
Wish I had more time.

I very much agree with you about the priority to rectify the birth time.
You can also use psychic methods, but that's not always possible,
so there should be some verification via astrological methods.

Maybe a forum is not the ideal place to study all of this anyway,
some books might be more effective, I'll use your valuable input as well...

Thanks very much and a Merry Christmas.

posted December 21, 2021 09:52 AM            

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Originally posted by HeavenlyLove:
let's say
somebodies Venus would be 2 degrees away from the AC in the 12th,
it would clearly be having the effect of being in the first,
but the 12th house technical placement would not be totally irrelevant.
But I'm not experienced, what are your findings in charts ?

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Hi Heavenly😍

It's gonna work in both houses if a planet is less than 4 degrees near the next house's cusp.