posted December 27, 2021 08:45 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
My father had his Scorpio Mars square Leo Pluto and it was very challenging...

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It is particularly difficult in your father's chart, since Mars is in its own Sign of Scorpio (which amplifies both Mars and Scorpio some) and square the other ruler of same--which is often a difficult symbol in and of itself, and all in Fixed Signs--which indicates that karmically, this is a continuing, habitual issue/lesson that just is not being transformed or learned.

Probably more extreme in his case than in the average? Imagine Mars in Virgo square Sag Pluto? Can't imagine that overt violence would tend to be strong on average. But I'm sure there could be some pretty intense criticism, nit pickiness, and/or general cutting words at times--as well as some possible serious passive-aggressive behaviors at times.

posted December 28, 2021 10:53 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
My father had his Scorpio Mars square Leo Pluto and it was very challenging. It was easy for him to feel challenged by someone and he could get very confrontational when that happened. And when he was angry you could feel there was an undercurrent of possible physical violence. He never hit me, but there were times he hit my mother. I know of at least three occasions my mother had a black eye. The one time I did witness it, I came between them. I think I was 18 or 19 years old. They were both too drunk to properly stand up so it was easy for me to stop further escalation. They were both violent towards each other when that happened. My mother’s Pluto also squared his Mars and she has an Aries Venus.

It will always depend on the person how they handle aspects in their chart, but I’m not a fan of this aspect at all. Maybe it also makes a difference in what sign the Mars is and I suspect a challenged Scorpio Mars can get very nasty. My Taurus Sun also was opposite his Mars and square his Pluto, so I really triggered this aspect in his chart. I know he loved me, but we had some moment where we really went head to head.

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Thank you for sharing. It sounds horrible to witness your parents this way, I’m really sorry. I think it’s amazing that you protected your mom. It says a lot about you as a person. You’re really brave and did the right thing! Hope your parents are better now. Hope your Dad dealt with his anger issues.

The guy I’m talking about has Mars in Aqua (last degrees) and Pluto in Scorpio.

My Pluto in Scorpio forms a trine to his Mars. I’m older than him, although it’s not visible. He’s quite mature. We look the same age.

I’m in a long-distance relationship with someone else, but we haven’t seen each other for a while. It seems like we’re breaking up. I’m not interested in cheating, but am at a crossroads right now. Me and that Mars guy have a lot in common.

I met him on the street during a demonstration against Covid measures. People in our country are locked up and government wants to introduce forced vaccination and high penalties for the ones who refuse. My long - distance partner doesn’t understand what is going on, they believe the common narrative, are tripple vaxxed and think it’s a great idea.

Meeting that new person and talking to someone who’s witnessing what I’m witnessing, not feeling crazy and alone with this, has been very soothing for me. It takes the edge off and makes our situation a bit less depressing. I’m very attracted to him too. I didn’t want to kiss him, but he just grabbed me and did it anyways, forceful but also gentle, then he just held me and breathed into my mouth. It was all pretty intense.

posted December 29, 2021 09:09 PM            

NONE of that actually applies to me. In many ways, I'm pretty progressive leaning, though I don't use any political labels for self, or identify with this or that group anymore. And I see both the Democratic and Republican parties in my country as immensely corrupt and as tools/extensions of plutocrats. If people actually question this, then they really should watch this excellent Ted X talk by this Harvard professor (clue, Boss Tweed):
http://youtu.be/PJy8vTu66tE

But yes, this is about far more than "protecting people". It's a major power and control grab on us "unwashed masses" by the super wealthy plutocrats of the world, and it is so plain for those with the single eye open, to see. Many people really don't want to realize how bad things really are in this world with how many psychopaths have so much wealth, influence, and power (and how much they lust for ever greater amounts of same), and so they pull an ostrich. It is easier and more comfortable to live life without facing these extremely scary and dark truths. People in touch with Pluto in a more positive way, tend to be more willing to look at these scary truths than most. Them and Jupitarians like myself.

Anyways, you're definitely not alone. And I'm sorry that things are getting so bad in your country with the extreme control and force. That really does anger and upset me that anyone has to go through that.

Btw, around Thanksgiving, my vaccinated partner gave me and a friend of ours (who is also vaccinated) Sars-CoV-2. Though I'm not vaccinated and my partner is, our symptoms, severity, and length of illness was pretty similar. Our friend on the other hand, had it much worse than either of us, and here's the real kicker--she's a decade and some change younger than me (I'm in my early 40's).

I've heard about enough similar cases to really question the efficacy of these experimental pseudo vaccines. The vaccines of yester year, worked pretty well WHEN under better conditions (lower toxicity preservatives, not giving too many at once, not giving to such young bodies, and no live/attenuated forms). Heck, the Chinese started doing vaccine like inoculations centuries ago, by blowing up little pieces of scab or what not, up people's noses.

The essential core of traditional vaccines works and works fairly well--they and the practices around same just need to be cleaned up some. I did a lot of research into this, because when I had my last vaccine slew as a child (around 8), I ended up being paralyzed from the waist down for about a week. Not fun. Turns out, the picture is more complex and shades of gray than many seem to "believe". As is so much of life and actual reality.

posted December 30, 2021 11:17 AM            

@GCE, thank you for the extra information. I agree. Mars in a milder Mars sign would handle the aspect probably a bit better. I think that an Aquarius Mars might be more challenged connected to ideas and ideals. There might be some very strong convictions though, as it's still a fixed sign.

posted December 30, 2021 06:50 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
93nov, how is that "sexy"? Sounds like the very definition and personification of toxic and imbalanced. A guy doesn't need to have major anger issues (nor be sex obsessed) to be "masculine" in a "sexy" way.

P.W.H., you're welcome and good points (including your reply to Ana_bee).

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I'm not sure. It might have something to do with my own mars lol. No shame here. I never gloss over the more.. "raw" human experiences. Too many cook book interpretations nowadays anyways. We're all "toxic" in some way and if you're not, that's "toxic" within itself.

posted December 30, 2021 07:08 PM            

Saying I don't know, while honest, indicates that there is a lot of unconsciousness to why you have that reaction. Which means that deeper digging could be very helpful. And that is what I was trying to spark. I or some other intuitive sensitive could look into it for you, but it is usually better if we do that ourselves.

posted December 30, 2021 11:08 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
My father had his Scorpio Mars square Leo Pluto and it was very challenging. It was easy for him to feel challenged by someone and he could get very confrontational when that happened. And when he was angry you could feel there was an undercurrent of possible physical violence.

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^^^^This🙏🏿. Oh my goodness...🙏🏿

I agree fully with this analysis.

Also included here is that this aspect is about "ultimate endings" or "trailblazer beginnings".

Pluto pushes Mars to "go on their way". The determination is very strong and the song by Whitney Houston "Its time to do it on my own" comes to mind. This especially the "i don't care if I am right or wrong. I am going to live the way i feel. No matter what, I am going to keep it real. Its time to do it on my own" part.

Wherever Mars is is where we can insist on self governance.When Pluto aspects Mars, we can absolutely refuse/reject "mentorship" or counsel (this even when well intentioned).

When prog Mars conj my natal Pluto, i left home for varsity.Time to do it on my own. Nothing could have stood in my way back then.

When trans Plu square natal Mars,I left an old unsatisfying job to pursue further studies.