posted January 03, 2022 01:48 AM            

Which is the first full human symbolically in the zodiac Gemini, Virgo or Aquarius?

posted January 03, 2022 02:56 AM            

Just kidding. Early on when starting with astrology, I conceptualized that Pisces represents Source as a "clump" of possibility.It was my way of trying to understand the zodiac.

Pisces is Source as culmination of everything that is possible (but not manifested). Kinda like the batter of a dish. Will it make a pie? Maybe. A cake? Maybe. Bread? Maybe. Cookies? Maybe. Buns? Maybe. All possibility exists in that batter.But "possibility" is NOT manifestation.

Aries is then the next step i.e the literal trail-blazer in that it is when Source went outside "concept " & into manifestation of those thoughts.

Aries being martial represents the "split" from "possibility " to "actualization". It may be "a part" of Source. But it also fulfills the next step by being "apart" from Source.

It is (quite literally) the beginning of all manifestations. The self becoming aware of itself whereas before it was unconscious.

So when going back to the batter, this is Source manifesting as the cake. The bun. The cookies etc. All made from the same batter. But individuated in order for Source to know itself as "separate" from itself.

So I have always seen Pisces as the "ultimate ending" or "Source as concept ". Whilst Aries is "ultimate beginning" i.e "Source as manifestation".

Human beings are (to me) Aries.In that they are about learning about the "self" and being "self aware ". That is why the experience of life through their eyes is called "Being Human" for Source. It is a manifestation of a concept that was always there but unconscious.

"Being Human" involves getting to know oneself as a "separate " entity i.e personality, ego etc. And this will always be.Womankind will always seek to be "separate" and "know itself" as indiviaduated from Source.

The journey of the zodiac is really the journey back to Source. In other words, we will ultimately return to Pisces. But the journey of realization is important for Source as it informs the experience of self-knowledge outside of "concept".

In Aries- we may see ourselves as human beings and enjoying the human experiences through learning (by trial and error) what our physical limitations are i.e we burn, we get bruised, we heal, we conquer etc. This is humankind at a very "primitive" level.

Taurus is when we learn that we can defend against the forces of nature. We build shelter, we "own" homes, we "store" food & don't consume it all at once, we learn about the senses & what "pleasure" is all about.

In Gemini we develop further into commerce. We buy, we sell, we find out about each other(relate). Because our initial base needs are met, we no longer worry about our own survival as much. But we develop a curiousity for our immediate environment i.e what is on the other side of that hill?

And on and on it goes until eventually the inevitable return to Source.

But what i have learned so far is that the journey is NEVER finished. That it is NEVER "done". So even on our return (like the prodigal daughter), we are not the same as the people we left as.

So even then, the enthusiasm for the new and "more" calls us forth and springs a brand new request for life (Aries). This is the process of reincarnation I think. But without the interference of past lives.

posted January 04, 2022 01:05 PM            

Being human is the ability to shine, create, feel, love, desire.

How can robotic air signs have any of this?

The Water element is the only human group in the entire zodiac.

While the fire signs, they are gross, innocent, but gross.

Air signs are psychopaths, and energy vampires.

Earth signs are basic, material.

posted January 04, 2022 02:51 PM            

They have the data on what is needed, having collected it -- social among the creatures and plants.

Virgo.. tended the needs of the fields, coordinated the Order of things. This was for the needs of all that lived-- Virgo tended and assured that all were in Health, in every way possible; provided the medicines as needed to produce remedy for any that fell out of balance-- human, plant, animal, environmental. Able to analyze and discern what was needed, she 'applied' the knowledge to every field needing to be Served. She was the Coordinator for what is needed within the body Body. Keeps the flow going to 'where' it is needed, keeping all in good order.

Aquarius.. the matured and evolved Human. Used the higher mind/intellect as a compassioned Humanitarian.

Age of Pisces was the birth of the spiritual dimension of the human being. This human being now took the initiatives and discoveries from the Age of Aries, and with the Spiritual Heart having been opened with Compassion (in Age of Pisces), and having found and known the self in relation to Divine Source, then this 'purposed' Human New Creature-- accompanied by the earthen Jar able to pour out-- is able to Serve as the Humanitarian. Is 'enabled' to use what each collectively has, to take care of the Whole -- Humanity, Humanitarian.

Guarding and Tending ALL.

Each applies whatever talents they individually have.

These three zodiac signs are in the form of the Human--

posted January 04, 2022 04:17 PM            

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
How can the superficial, double-sided Gemini, and the psycho Satan Aquarius be human?

Being human is the ability to shine, create, feel, love, desire.

How can robotic air signs have any of this?

The Water element is the only human group in the entire zodiac.

While the fire signs, they are gross, innocent, but gross.

Air signs are psychopaths, and energy vampires.

Earth signs are basic, material.

Water is the element of Life.

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Do you have ONLY water in your chart ?
No, it's not possible.

And your planets or asteroids, angles/points in the other elements,
are they an expression of those qualities you are describing,
in the area of yourself/life those planets or points represent ?

For example if you'd have Mercury or Jupiter in Gemini you would be a psychopath in the areas that those planets represent ?

Not to forget your houses, only water ?

The unevolved water energies can be very destructive, just as the unevolved of all other elements.
For example when these energies cause you to be very emotional and therefore your logical reasoning is impared by blurred vision about yourself, others and the situative context.

So the healthy use of air (thinking) becomes more difficult.
As a result you might get too angry (unevolved fire),
and because you won't listen anymore, but only FEEL your subjective feelings, you get stubborn and hard (unevolved earth).

The results can be at least as catastrophic as if the chain of problems starts with any other element.

All elements should work together as harmoniously as possible, they are all necessary.
Each sign is, they represent each a certain step of development, a viewpoint.

Also the states (don't know the English expression) cardinal, fixed and mutable are all necessary and must work together in a certain balance.

I know you wrote here about horrible experiences in your past with people of certain Sun signs.
I understand your traumas, you have my compassion. 🌺
But also they had other energies than just the one of their Sun sign.

posted January 04, 2022 06:43 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Gemini.. would be the first Human, that appeared in the story of humankind and Development. The Twins, not being alone, but having its alive companion-human with it, are first to appear among the Rams, and Bulls, in the bud and flowering of First Spring. All is in wonderful concert and communication.

They have the data on what is needed, having collected it -- social among the creatures and plants.

Virgo.. tended the needs of the fields, coordinated the Order of things. This was for the needs of all that lived-- Virgo tended and assured that all were in Health, in every way possible; provided the medicines as needed to produce remedy for any that fell out of balance-- human, plant, animal, environmental. Able to analyze and discern what was needed, she 'applied' the knowledge to every field needing to be Served. She was the Coordinator for what is needed within the body Body. Keeps the flow going to 'where' it is needed, keeping all in good order.

Aquarius.. the matured and evolved Human. Used the higher mind/intellect as a compassioned Humanitarian.

Age of Pisces was the birth of the spiritual dimension of the human being. This human being now took the initiatives and discoveries from the Age of Aries, and with the Spiritual Heart having been opened with Compassion (in Age of Pisces), and having found and known the self in relation to Divine Source, then this 'purposed' Human New Creature-- accompanied by the earthen Jar able to pour out-- is able to Serve as the Humanitarian. Is 'enabled' to use what each collectively has, to take care of the Whole -- Humanity, Humanitarian.

Guarding and Tending ALL.

Each applies whatever talents they individually have.

These three zodiac signs are in the form of the Human--

Serving wherever the needs occur to keep the Organism Functioning as a Whole-- nothing broken, nothing missing.

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Please allow me to quote your precious post, exactly answered my question.. even more actually.

Because I believe in Creation, the Twins being the first Human would be for me Adam & Eve symbolically.

posted January 15, 2022 03:58 PM            

Good summary, Aries23.

I think a reminder of the way western tradition casts the 12 signs is in order.

The first two, Aries and Taurus, are bestial signs represented by the ram and bull respectively.

Gemini, the twins, is then the first of the human signs.

Cancer and Leo are bestial, being the crab and the lion.

Virgo is another human sign, being represented by the virgin.

Libra, the scales implies an abstraction of justice.

Scorpio is bestial, the scorpion.

Sagittarius is bestial, being the horse or centaur.

Capricorn is bestial, the goat.

Aquarius, the water bearer is human.

Pisces, the fishes, is bestial.

These descriptors may not seem relevant to many of us, but are part of the signs are represented individually — summarized without reference to their quality, ruler or element.

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posted January 17, 2022 02:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Yes, because the human signs are Gemini, Virgo, and Aquarius — the only signs represented by humans (twins, virgin, water bearer).

Good summary, Aries23.

I think a reminder of the way western tradition casts the 12 signs is in order.

The first two, Aries and Taurus, are bestial signs represented by the ram and bull respectively.

Gemini, the twins, is then the first of the human signs.

Cancer and Leo are bestial, being the crab and the lion.

Virgo is another human sign, being represented by the virgin.

Libra, the scales implies an abstraction of justice.

Scorpio is bestial, the scorpion.

Sagittarius is bestial, being the horse or centaur.

Capricorn is bestial, the goat.

Aquarius, the water bearer is human.

Pisces, the fishes, is bestial.

These descriptors may not seem relevant to many of us, but are part of the signs are represented individually — summarized without reference to their quality, ruler or element.

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