posted January 07, 2022 02:48 AM            

Just look at this earthy chart man.. I don't resonate with my Aries ascendant. Like I know it counts, but it starts at 1 degree.
I guess there's chiron too but im still not in any way elementally balanced. Ascendant wise I'm sure i give off more of a piscean vibe anyway.

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posted January 07, 2022 06:12 AM            

I’m very Earth dominant myself. I have a stellium in Taurus and on top of that I have my Mars conjunct Saturn in Cancer. My only planet in a Fire element is Neptune in Sagittarius. What does help is having placements in a Cardinal modality, because it is energy that initiates. Not only do you have a lot of planets in Capricorn but also in H10, an angular house. Your Capricorn placements also help with the T-square you have with Sun apex. Maybe there are some confidence issues?

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posted January 07, 2022 11:47 AM            

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You’re welcome! I can understand your desire for wanting something more. I have a t-square as well and it’s known for creating tension. It can be helpful to look at the opposite of the apex. In your case that’s Leo 23 in your 5th house. Are there maybe some skills that you would like develop? More a hobby than a work thing? The 5th house is the house of joy and your inner child. Leo is the sign that enjoys being in the spotlight. Something creative like acting or improvising?

posted January 07, 2022 02:28 PM            

Consider that you aren't supposed to have the passion you see in fierier personalities. Consider that people develop the balance of things at a different rate and at different times and you are where you are and it is perfectly fine. Consider that you are perfectly acceptable where and how you are, just as those fiery enthusiasts are.

Instead, you have:
- Venus in applying conjunction to Mars.
- Moon tightly trine Mars.
- Pluto sextile to Mars.
- Pluto square Sun.
- Moon opposite Pluto.
Pluto is internal fire. So there is plenty of fire in these. It's all a matter of how you use it.

As to the Asc in Aries in your chart, very often people actually have the rising sign prior to the one indicated by recorded birth time (especially when Asc is supposed to be early in a sign). Read my description of Pisces rising and see if it fits you: http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/rising-signs/#pisces

In your case, I can see the loka planets (Mercury & Venus) do not confirm this Asc in Aries. They actually suggest Asc between about 17 & 26° Pisces, which would put Venus both sextile Asc & in closer parallel to MC, a typical kind of position for a loka planet. I didn't point to Mercury because it is already closely conjunct the Sun.

In General

Supposedly 'missing' element by sign is not an issue and not a basis for interpretation. We interpret what is there, not what isn't. Good astrological interpretation does not implant or add to a sense of lack in the native.

Good astrological interpretation will not promote notions of 'void' or 'lack' in anyone. While it can be true that some planetary energies are stronger or weaker in any given birth chart, we don't look to signs for that. We look at the total position of the planets themselves.

The idea of 'missing' an element is a very presumptuous simplistic notion from sign-based astrology. It assumes you 'should' have at least one planet (or Asc) in every element. It is presumptuous because the horoscope was chosen by the soul in question and such interpretive notions 'wrong' that choice without in-depth understanding. I do not approach anyone's birth chart with ideas of what 'should' be there. I'm honoring the soul's experience and choices with an eye to balance and fullness of experience/expression.

You could just as easily wrong someone's chart by saying they don't have any planets in this or that house, which we all know doesn't matter. You aren't 'void' of partnerships or marriage because you 'lack' a planet in the 7th house. Anyone with any knowledge of astrology knows this. Same applies to sign elements.

FIRE = Sun, Mars, Jupiter. Everyone has them.

EARTH = Saturn, Venus, Mercury(especially if Rx). Everyone has them.

AIR = Mercury, Venus, Uranus. Everyone ...

WATER = Moon, Neptune, Pluto. Same.

The signs are modes of expression, not essential elements. These modes of expression of the signs are the 'how' or the style of expression. The essential elements are found in the energies of the planets and no one can be without them. You could have weaker fire planets overall, but it is unlikely and uncommon for someone to have all the fire bodies weak in their chart.

If anything, what I've seen is that if say there is under-representation of fire in a person's birth chart and it is an issue in their development, then it will be compensated for by particular placement/aspects of Sun, Mars, or Jupiter. These don't always happen visibly in the circle chart. Very often, they take place in declination. For example, Mars parallel the Midheaven, but without a conjunction showing in the circle chart. But sign-based pop astrology doesn't include declinations and those practitioners will use simplistic, even regressive ideas like this that misinform the person towards a sense of lack or being flawed.

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posted January 07, 2022 03:56 PM            

Jupiter is mostly fire with some wawter blending in, just as it predominantly rules Sag, but also co-rules Pisces a water sign.

And Pluto is like a blend of water (slightly predominant) and fire. Interestingly, Cayce's guidance referred to Pluto as Vulcan before it was officially discovered/named.

But yes, if you have a strong highlighting of a particular Planet, and if that Planet has fire attunement, whether primary (Mars) or blended (Jupiter), it shows that Fire is stronger in the Natal than just the Signs alone may indicate.

The Sun is a very interesting symbol and bit of an odd ball out in all this. It definitely corresponds to Fire to some extent, but it is way harder to put in any kind of little box than any other symbol. The reason why, is because the Sun is the fastest vibratory pattern and symbol possible in our little system. To get faster vibratory than same, you have to get out of this system in a sense.

The Sun comes closest of all the symbols of our system to correlating with the Clear/white Light of Source like consciousness and pure Love.

Another way of saying this, is that all the major colors contained within the Clear/white light, and all the major Centers/glands of the body, have to merge together in a perfectly balanced, synchronized way, before the Clear/white Light can be unveiled.

In that sense, because the Sun is the symbol most resonant with that state and consciousness (but not fully there by any means), the Sun contains within its nature Earth, Air, and Water within an alchemical Fire and crucible.

The Sun is the most mysterious and least understood symbol in our little system. It is not the Moon, it is not Neptune, it is not Pluto, but the Sun. Because who can look into the Sun's intense Light with naked eyes and perceive what it sees in same? Very few humans can or will in this life.

Because the Sun is such an expanded and fast vibratory symbol, it's rare that human's channel it "as is". For that to be the case, the person needs to have a conscious attunement to all the other major Planetary symbols, with a very strong/predominant focus on the fastest vibratory symbols right "below" the Sun i.e. Neptune, Jupiter, and/or Pisces. This spectrum (i.e. the violet/purple/magenta) NEEDS to be mastered before one can phase into the golden light of the Sun's true nature.

Most people with some highlighting of the Sun in their chart, use it in the more stepped down, lower octave, "Leo like" expression that shows up in the aura as high orange/orange blended with some yellow. Leo, and this version of the Sun, is more directly/purely fire attuned, rather than being so blended and balanced between the elements and Yin and Yang as the Sun is in its pure expression and channeling.

posted January 07, 2022 06:15 PM            

This is why I love this forum. I can ask a dumb question or post something I have very little understanding in, and I come out of it with so much more understanding and whole host of things to research.

@Kannon the way you explain things just clicks with me.

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Read my description of Pisces rising and see if it fits you: http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/rising-signs/#pisces

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For me, to get the full picture, I need to also look at what's missing. I know what's there, but I also need to know what's not. It seems pointless, but that's just me.
Usually I don't think I express myself properly as someone pointed out chiron in 5H Leo.. plus Gemini in 3H is intercepted.
Jupiter is 6H Virgo is retrograde.
Mercury is combust.
Communication is a big theme in my life.
I really need to ask the dumb questions.
So I'm not looking at the elements from the correct point of view / understanding it seems, which is good because I've come out of this realising well, fire's not exactly void here. Nevertheless my feeling remains.

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Because who can look into the Sun's intense Light with naked eyes and perceive what it sees in same? Very few humans can or will in this life.

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posted January 07, 2022 07:05 PM            

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Originally posted by OrbitalFire:

This is why I love this forum. I can ask a dumb question or post something I have very little understanding in, and I come out of it with so much more understanding and whole host of things to research.

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