posted January 26, 2022 09:01 AM            

Pluto to the angles is (to me) a life perspective shift/change. I keep om sayomg this time and again. That the momentum of Pluto can't go through ones angles and nothing has shifted. Its most likely the birth time is off.

posted January 26, 2022 11:34 AM            

Pluto to the angles is (to me) a life perspective shift/change. I keep om sayomg this time and again. That the momentum of Pluto can't go through ones angles and nothing has shifted.

Thank you, my perspective is definitely changing from all the life changes recently...
(birth time is correct as my Dad was an astrologer for all my life and made sure to correctly record our birthtimes correctly He passed away in 2005, I definitely miss his insight

posted January 26, 2022 07:19 PM            

I believe Kannon talks about this some on his site. Both he and I have done deep investigation into the Cayce work and both are convinced that it was a very high and mostly accurate source of information/data.

I was open to Cayce's work on this especially because my mom told me that when I was born, it was some time after my body was birthed that she saw a bright light come down and enter my body i.e. that was my Soul/nonphysical consciousness completing the energetic connections to the body via especially the brain and endocrine glands.

And indeed, a bit later of a chart fits better holistically as to looks, life events, etc. For example, I have a weird torso. It is unusually short, and after having an X-ray done by a Chiropractor, he informed me that I was missing an entire lumbar vertebrae genetically. While this is not super rare, it is not super common either.

posted January 27, 2022 12:14 AM            

So now, with my saturn soon to leave my 10th, and pluto still close to MH I feel like it’s a little more solid in its focus, pressures at work with my boss are pretty plutonian by nature , I mean a lot of people that work there actually have pluto conjunctions, including myself, which I mean makes sense such strong personalities can get along but also has some elements that are very dominating or overbearing. I feel the pressure and I also feel like my entire journey as been so transformational and given me the experience and confidence in myself, and knowing that I could become a prominent figure in my career which is what I’ve always wanted. My goals are entirely tunnel visioned at this point and I want to be a master metal smith! So prior to all those transits I can say with confidence I was entirely lost (I mean Neptune on my midheavan prolly doesn’t help) and had no idea where I was going. Literally was a process of just following my heart and aggressively going after what I wanted! Now, I’m fully inspired and know exactly what I’m working towards. And I mean before I did jewelry as a hobby and I always knew that astrology/the arts were where I wanted to get to eventually but just didn’t really know how to make it my career I suppose.

Also, unfortunately rn I’m currently starting to loose my moms side parents as well. Which has been hard. That side of my family also has a strong pluto theme, and there’s been some pretty scary and dark things come up with them and just how theyv been aging. Ugh.. just seeing how much pain my dads parents went thru, and now watching my moms parents like essentially loose their minds, it’s been a time for myself in reflection about my own sanity and just wanting to hold onto that and not loose it.. because with my saturn/Neptune/uranus on the 9th, opposing jupiter in the 3rd all squaring my sun/Mars/mercury apex, all that tension is focalized
In my mental houses, and especially when i was first getting into astrology, some of the traditional texts talk about insanity and what not with my tense placements in those houses and I’ve been held back for adhd and been kind of an ongoing issue for me growing up, but I feeeel like my brain is wired differently, chemically.. so focusing on brain health, meditation, and working out more and just embracing myself and healing has been a very big thing, I mean health is sorta something I lean towards anyways with all my 6th house and virgo moon, but I seem to go through shifts in my routine so to speak and it’s been a very positive one. Creating a lovely space at home I can feel centered and building up my workshop it’s all coming together. so yeah lol

Even with uranus on my ascendant I feel like Im so much more myself physically than I’ve ever felt. And content materially and satisfied with how the things I own reflect who I am in a way? Not to say i need any of the things or anything or like I identify myself with possessions but more so like the shirt I wear or the jewelry I wear is a reflection of how I want to express myself and im all about just being me! Lol

The end ha

posted January 27, 2022 12:16 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Physical birth time, even when accurate, is not always the correct chart. See Edgar Cayce's psychic readings on the potential difference between the physical and energetic-spiritual birth times and how the energetic-spiritual birth time is the correct one.

I believe Kannon talks about this some on his site. Both he and I have done deep investigation into the Cayce work and both are convinced that it was a very high and mostly accurate source of information/data.

I was open to Cayce's work on this especially because my mom told me that when I was born, it was some time after my body was birthed that she saw a bright light come down and enter my body i.e. that was my Soul/nonphysical consciousness completing the energetic connections to the body via especially the brain and endocrine glands.

And indeed, a bit later of a chart fits better holistically as to looks, life events, etc. For example, I have a weird torso. It is unusually short, and after having an X-ray done by a Chiropractor, he informed me that I was missing an entire lumbar vertebrae genetically. While this is not super rare, it is not super common either.

I see it astrologically as having Leo Rising with the ruler of same, the Sun, in Capricorn cusping into the 6th House and inconjunct the Asc degree. It has forced some definite "adjustment" in some ways. And it sucks a bit since I would have been a couple to a few inches taller had this not been the case. My physical birth time does not have the inconjunct between the Asc/chart ruler, the Sun, and my Asc point.

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posted January 27, 2022 10:45 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Physical birth time, even when accurate, is not always the correct chart. See Edgar Cayce's psychic readings on the potential difference between the physical and energetic-spiritual birth times and how the energetic-spiritual birth time is the correct one.

I believe Kannon talks about this some on his site. Both he and I have done deep investigation into the Cayce work and both are convinced that it was a very high and mostly accurate source of information/data.

I was open to Cayce's work on this especially because my mom told me that when I was born, it was some time after my body was birthed that she saw a bright light come down and enter my body i.e. that was my Soul/nonphysical consciousness completing the energetic connections to the body via especially the brain and endocrine glands.

And indeed, a bit later of a chart fits better holistically as to looks, life events, etc. For example, I have a weird torso. It is unusually short, and after having an X-ray done by a Chiropractor, he informed me that I was missing an entire lumbar vertebrae genetically. While this is not super rare, it is not super common either.

I see it astrologically as having Leo Rising with the ruler of same, the Sun, in Capricorn cusping into the 6th House and inconjunct the Asc degree. It has forced some definite "adjustment" in some ways. And it sucks a bit since I would have been a couple to a few inches taller had this not been the case. My physical birth time does not have the inconjunct between the Asc/chart ruler, the Sun, and my Asc point.

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Thank you! I am familiar with Cayce and saw another post where you mentioned this and have been meaning to look into this. Do you have a link or pdf about this by chance?
My Dad was a Thelemite and astrologer all my life until his death so I know he was very specific about recording my birthtime, but to you point there may be some lag time between physical birth and when the soul comes into the body.
My recorded birth is 01/22 @ 12:23, but I have cast charts using 12:22 and 12:24. I am a Taurus ASC with 9th/10th house Aqua sun and 12th house Aries Moon. I have dived into most chart types (Draconic, sidereal, helio, and Navasma-harmonics) Regarding my regular natal ,I tend to lean more towards the 12:24 time as it gives me a 0 Aqua MC which fits me much more.
A little off topic, I Just started diving more into harmonics and the 12th house or D-12 harmonic holds some very interesting info of what feels like soul level, For lack of words even as a kid I knew I was a starseed and a twin (although I tend to agree and resonate a lot with your posts on the expanded self

posted January 27, 2022 10:51 AM            

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Originally posted by BeholdAstarte:
I’ve been going through pluto transiting my midheavan for the past few years!! It’s been a process and actually when it first started, I was also going through my saturn return, which saturn also approached my midheavan at 23 capricorn, along with pluto, and jupiter and Mars so when the entire pandemic started all 4 planets were on my midheavan. Aaaaannnddd I also have had uranus on my ascendant as well lol
Now it’s just pluto on my MH, but it was an extremely trying process, particularly starting with a sense of “who am I?” And how do I fit into this world? And this overriding stress that I needed to be apart of something that was more who I wanted to grow into. So I was finding these creative, and liberating jobs that were in a way proving to myself that when I went out into the world I could accomplish whatever I set my mind to. I got this job painting, which I was told I wasn’t able to handle because I’m a girl and it’s male dominated and physically exhausting, , proved everyone wrong and actually loved the job, it was awesome painting giant mansions off tahoe beaches!! Is it not totally
Apparent that I have a dominant Mars/pluto too Lol And then I got a job making knives which I was actually really wanting to just make into a career (total sun/Mars 0 degree conj 6th house hobby am I right?! Metal?!?!) so this is where I feel like the pluto themes really started to play out on my midheavan. I ended up having weird social issues at my work, where one of my coworkers was sabotaging me and super jealous, trying to throw me under the bus but also taking credit for my work and the people I were around were just so clicky and judge mental I can’t handle all that crap I’m too sensitive. So I ended up leaving broken heartedly not because I wasn’t good or loved making knives but because of the toxic work environment. So then I moved to the mountains for a summer and helped build this cabin where I spent a lot of time in isolation and contemplating my place in the universe lol actually a really neat time where I was hiking thru this creek everyday and doing a lot of qi gong.. it was a magical summer.than I think by the end of that year is when pluto/saturn we’re getting reaaaaallly close to my midheavan and this is when **** started to get crazy lol.
First I had to do a family trip to Hong Kong, during all the riots, and in that time my uncle was dealing with a very complicated con from an old childhood friend he thought he could trust but clearly couldn’t.. that trip was very intense and a lot of pressures from my family came up and just overall not feeling understood by them.. and just seeing how cruel and mean people where to each other.. was very disheartening, but it made me think, I could see this happening to the states? Which then lead to the US riots the next year it really was not a shocker for me.. Than when I got back, the best dog I ever had was hit by a car and killed, and that sort of solidified this dark cloud of depression, because I was already going thru so much with my family. All these stray animals ended up popping tho, and I ended up finding my dream job which I currently am still doing as a jeweler. So, that was the best thing to happen during my pluto MH transit, and feeling like I really found my place. Once I got that jeweler job I was able to hit the ground running, so this was also when jupiter was approaching pluto/saturn on my MH and I actually escalated very quick as a jeweler, gaining a really good reputation and overall just kicking ass lol. It literally saved me that year, because in my private home life, my ex who I was living with, ended up cheating on me at a men’s bathhouse and all trust had just gone out the window, he moved out. A week later a friend who I thought was one of my best friends totally turned sour, two faced and gaslighted me and essentially told me I was too sensitive to be her friend and stonewalled me. Which looking back It def feels like it was for the better. Than shortly after my grandparents died, one after the other, they were in their 90s but it still was/is very hard, just missing them. Also during the pandemic I wasn’t able to get any unemployment or anything I was totally scraping by and hustling on my own. Then towards the end of the year, I started to have really bad issues with my landlord where she was being super overbearing, harassing me and getting all weird and paranoid, the house was old and literally falling apart. during the winter I had no heat, no plumbing, the fridge went out, it totally sucked! Than to make it worst that land lord essentially conned my deposit out of me and I got into this huge altercation with her and still pretty angry about the whole thing and had to sue her. Which was such a weird time because I remember I had like multiple things legally I was dealing with that was such a pain. But finally was able to move to find a much better place for the year 2021, buuuut I’m definitely noticing a trend with pluto on that axis and home break downs because when I moved into my current home the heat/ac ended up breaking down and I had to get that replaced too lol

So now, with my saturn soon to leave my 10th, and pluto still close to MH I feel like it’s a little more solid in its focus, pressures at work with my boss are pretty plutonian by nature , I mean a lot of people that work there actually have pluto conjunctions, including myself, which I mean makes sense such strong personalities can get along but also has some elements that are very dominating or overbearing. I feel the pressure and I also feel like my entire journey as been so transformational and given me the experience and confidence in myself, and knowing that I could become a prominent figure in my career which is what I’ve always wanted. My goals are entirely tunnel visioned at this point and I want to be a master metal smith! So prior to all those transits I can say with confidence I was entirely lost (I mean Neptune on my midheavan prolly doesn’t help) and had no idea where I was going. Literally was a process of just following my heart and aggressively going after what I wanted! Now, I’m fully inspired and know exactly what I’m working towards. And I mean before I did jewelry as a hobby and I always knew that astrology/the arts were where I wanted to get to eventually but just didn’t really know how to make it my career I suppose.

Also, unfortunately rn I’m currently starting to loose my moms side parents as well. Which has been hard. That side of my family also has a strong pluto theme, and there’s been some pretty scary and dark things come up with them and just how theyv been aging. Ugh.. just seeing how much pain my dads parents went thru, and now watching my moms parents like essentially loose their minds, it’s been a time for myself in reflection about my own sanity and just wanting to hold onto that and not loose it.. because with my saturn/Neptune/uranus on the 9th, opposing jupiter in the 3rd all squaring my sun/Mars/mercury apex, all that tension is focalized
In my mental houses, and especially when i was first getting into astrology, some of the traditional texts talk about insanity and what not with my tense placements in those houses and I’ve been held back for adhd and been kind of an ongoing issue for me growing up, but I feeeel like my brain is wired differently, chemically.. so focusing on brain health, meditation, and working out more and just embracing myself and healing has been a very big thing, I mean health is sorta something I lean towards anyways with all my 6th house and virgo moon, but I seem to go through shifts in my routine so to speak and it’s been a very positive one. Creating a lovely space at home I can feel centered and building up my workshop it’s all coming together. so yeah lol

Even with uranus on my ascendant I feel like Im so much more myself physically than I’ve ever felt. And content materially and satisfied with how the things I own reflect who I am in a way? Not to say i need any of the things or anything or like I identify myself with possessions but more so like the shirt I wear or the jewelry I wear is a reflection of how I want to express myself and im all about just being me! Lol

The end ha

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posted January 29, 2022 01:38 PM            

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Originally posted by BeholdAstarte:
Wow this is so neat! It makes me
Wanna play with my chart and see any slight degree shifts, because my birth time sorta seems like a rounded number to me idk lol maybe not but I was born at 8:15 pm and sometimes I wonder if it’s minutes off or something. But it would def make my pluto more exact/angular than it already is.

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It's refreshing to have a positive reaction to this vs the usual look of, "off with his head!" that one tends to get in astrological circles...

Physical birth time recording, in and of itself, is notoriously inaccurate in a fair amount of cases.

In the Cayce work, there can be a difference of even a half day. Gladys Davis, who was Cayce's stenographer/secretary and "twin soul" (Edgar and Gladys were in love with each other, but couldn't do anything about it since Edgar was married to a karmic soulmate and had multiple children with her), Gladys was told that her Soul had waited some half a day or so after her body was born, before completing the energetic connections to her body.

Her physical birth time, I believe gives her a Sag Rising, but I believe that her energetic/spiritual birth time gives her a very late Cancer, closely cusping Leo Asc.

However, this much time, doesn't seem like the norm. Usually it seems to be either the Rising Sign before, same Rising Sign but different degree, or Rising Sign after the physical birth time one. A fair amount of Souls have the physical and spiritual birth time matched up fairly closely, but I don't know exact statistics on that.

Most of the people in my immediate family do seem to have the same Rising Sign as their physical birth time gives. My partner though, is off by like 25 degrees or so. Her physical birth time gives a mid Aqua Rising, but her spiritual/energetic gives around a 23* Capricorn Rising.

I could tell from her looks, personality, closest connections (major relationships have been with a Cancer and Capricorn Sun etc), etc that she didn't have Aqua Rising but Capricorn Rising. Many years after altering her birth time, she had a guidance dream which indicated her energetic birth time i.e. true chart, was actually even a bit earlier than I had assumed. I had surmised a 27 or so degree Cap Rising, but as mentioned, the time given in her dream gave like 23*.

I did not do any extensive timing-event rectification in her case though.

posted January 29, 2022 02:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Stargirl2122:
Thank you! I am familiar with Cayce and saw another post where you mentioned this and have been meaning to look into this. Do you have a link or pdf about this by chance?
My Dad was a Thelemite and astrologer all my life until his death so I know he was very specific about recording my birthtime, but to you point there may be some lag time between physical birth and when the soul comes into the body.
My recorded birth is 01/22 @ 12:23, but I have cast charts using 12:22 and 12:24. I am a Taurus ASC with 9th/10th house Aqua sun and 12th house Aries Moon. I have dived into most chart types (Draconic, sidereal, helio, and Navasma-harmonics) Regarding my regular natal ,I tend to lean more towards the 12:24 time as it gives me a 0 Aqua MC which fits me much more.
A little off topic, I Just started diving more into harmonics and the 12th house or D-12 harmonic holds some very interesting info of what feels like soul level, For lack of words even as a kid I knew I was a starseed and a twin (although I tend to agree and resonate a lot with your posts on the expanded self

I deeply resonate with my Navasma and draconic too, which both give me a 12th house Scorpio Moon at 7 deg. My navasma rahu/ketu is aligned to the Galactic center axis as well.
I definitely am enjoying lurking on your posts because you give soulful and well thought answers, so thanks for replying

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Hi Stargirl, this is a link to Kannon's site where he talks about this and gives some specific Cayce reading excerpts about the matter. I disagree with the interpreation that there is a physical birth time, a Soul, and a spiritual birth time. I only see/perceive the physical and the spiritual/energetic which to me is both soul and spiritual.

A beings true spiritual birth time, would be something completely different and wouldn't relate to the material plane or humans at all. It would be that moment when that Soul was created, and it wouldn't be helped by any kind of physical time correlation since it happened in a purely nonphysical, non human context.

Anyways, with that caveat in mind:
http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/2015/05/30/incarnation-process/

P.S., when dealing with very close cusping of important/sensitive points like the Asc and MC, it can be harder to tell, because the symbol takes on meaning from both Signs. Yes, predominantly the actual Sign it is in, but the one it is cusping can shade in a lot.

The Zodiac and House system is much like a color wheel, and rather than jump from this distinct color to that distinct, different color, it gradually phases and blends from one to another. Is green blue, more green or more blue? Hard to say in some cases where it is almost equally both. In other cases, you can see more green than blue or more blue than green.

Anyways, the Zodiac and Houses are much like that. Everything gradually phases from one to another, and meanwhile there are blending areas.

This btw, is also similar to how dimensions work. Dimensions are part of a total, holistic system, and rather than jump from one completely distinct/unique one to another, instead there are areas wherein they bleed into each other to some extent.

Take for example, so called "ghosts" i.e. earthbound Souls. They have dropped the physical body and are no longer truly/fully connected to the physical, but yet, they still are connected to the physical and can somewhat often be perceived by us in-physical humans. It is far easier to perceive a ghost/earthbound Soul than it is to perceive a very fast vibratory, completely nonphysically focused guide/helper type. Their rate of vibration is so much higher than ours and our filter (i.e. the physical body).

This is btw, the reason why nonphysically focused guides/helpers need our help in retrievals of ghosts/earthbound Souls. The helpers/guides have a very hard time being perceived by the ghosts/earthbound souls, but earthbound souls can perceive us humans VERY well/easily (there is more vibrational resonation).

posted January 30, 2022 01:51 PM            

Nataly, I have Pluto Scorpio 17 square Aquarius MC 16.

In the 2000's the Pluto Sagittarius sextiles my MC and trines my Sun I was a tween and a teen around this time and did not know too much about astrology yet.

In the present I am finishing up having Pluto squaring my Sun. Try having Saturn squared your sun at the same time. People will really test you as you rise to power. Once another person shapes up, a new person will start testing you. I started clapping my hands when I talk to get people to listen to me!!! I read an interpretation that no one gets out of this transit with out being battered. It's four degrees away now. And 5 degrees away in February! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siLkbdVxntU

The most recent retro was hard for me to have it closer to my Sun. Because of what Uranus and Saturn are doing in my chart now.

posted January 30, 2022 02:38 PM            

I wanted to recommend looking at where you have asteroid 24626 Astrowizard.

Mine is 10 degrees in Taurus conjuncting my ruling planet Mercury Taurus 11 degrees.
Taurus is my 12th house...so I interpret this as my hidden hobby I am pretty good at.
My sister and other friend have had me look at their chart, sometimes others will reach out and ask.
(OMG I'm at my parents and my Mercury Leo mom wont shut up while I type this. Totally clashing with my Mercury Taurus right now. She does not like silence!)
With it being in my 12th house, I do not like when people who know I am into astrology tell that to people I just met. It's not something I like to wear on my sleeve since it's a belief. Like any other belief I don't want to impose, and make sure the person is actually receptive to it!
It helps that its becoming more mainstream. Lately I've been to parties where people know about it and we can carry a conversation about it. It seems like teens know about natal charts too. When I was a teen I kept it to myself. I'm pretty sure my peers just knew their Sun sign.

Close people have told me I should try to make money doing it. Ugh, I appreciate the enthusiasm but can't people just have hobbies and pass times?! It's more of a spiritual outlet to me. I feel like I get better answers with astrology over praying to a God to be honest. I think if I ever got to a place like that, I think I would just ask people to pay me whatever, and whoever offers the highest pay gets treated as top priority, while also offering free readings.

Uranus is conjunct my astrowizard right now. My passion for astrology has been less of a secret these days. I was even on this forum in front of my husband. He joked that LL is like 4chan for astrology.

Oh I realize that astrowizard is also trine my Uranus Capricorn house 8. I try to be secretive, private, spiritual occult with my knowledge. With Taurus it's kind of leisure and relaxing for me. With Capricorn I see how the starts align with my goal setting.

I feel like astrowizard would be powerful natally on someone's ASC, N Node, MC for sure.

I wanted to share an example that blows my mind. I have asteroid Child on my N. Node. Since 2010, I have been in the Early Childhood Field! My n. node is also in my 9th house(higher education) I have an Associates in Early Childhood Education, and a Bachelors in Early Childhood Studies.
I am going to quit my job though, and travel with husband. We have been talking about children. He gave me the okay to be a stay at home mom too. So this new way it could play out with quitting my job is having children while traveling a lot.

posted February 08, 2022 02:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Stawr:
Yes!

Nataly, I have Pluto Scorpio 17 square Aquarius MC 16.

In the 2000's the Pluto Sagittarius sextiles my MC and trines my Sun I was a tween and a teen around this time and did not know too much about astrology yet.

In the present I am finishing up having Pluto squaring my Sun. Try having Saturn squared your sun at the same time. People will really test you as you rise to power. Once another person shapes up, a new person will start testing you. I started clapping my hands when I talk to get people to listen to me!!! I read an interpretation that no one gets out of this transit with out being battered. It's four degrees away now. And 5 degrees away in February! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siLkbdVxntU

The most recent retro was hard for me to have it closer to my Sun. Because of what Uranus and Saturn are doing in my chart now.

The future of Pluto Aquarius:
conjunct MC and Sextile Sun

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