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posted February 19, 2022 05:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I know of a guy with Cap Venus who is in his early 50's and with a woman literally half his age. I get kind of weird vibes from looking at his pics (and he has MANY of himself), but I guess I could see the draw/attraction for some.

I think one of the common traits/tendencies for narcissistic men is to serially go for women much younger than themselves. I don't mean guys who occasionally end up with younger women, but the ones that deliberately seem to go specifically for that. I'm talking the Goldblum types out there.

Human nature being what it is, well it's a real ego prop/boost, and in a sense, I kind of get it. And many humans, more or less are slaves to their ego.


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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
I know of a guy with Cap Venus who is in his early 50's and with a woman literally half his age. I get kind of weird vibes from looking at his pics (and he has MANY of himself), but I guess I could see the draw/attraction for some.

I think one of the common traits/tendencies for narcissistic men is to serially go for women much younger than themselves. I don't mean guys who occasionally end up with younger women, but the ones that deliberately seem to go specifically for that. I'm talking the Goldblum types out there.

Human nature being what it is, well it's a real ego prop/boost, and in a sense, I kind of get it. And many humans, more or less are slaves to their ego.


Yeah, and this is what I’m afraid of he'll probably want someone who’s half his age which I’m not.

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posted February 19, 2022 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know why he'd talk to me though being as though I'm only 6 years younger. If he likes women half his age it really doesn't make much sense at all.

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Cap Venus men I’ve known tend to women who are distant, manipulative, and have money/resources/social-status to offer them


Saturn doesn’t symbolize an age or maturity difference; rather to-control or be-controlled.

At some point these guys will have once dated a much older woman—usually seen when they themselves are younger (being controlled).

Thereafter they will date women they can control, either "younger" or submissive—makes no difference. Even if the girlfriend is a borderline type, when they think they are managing this (keeping her under control), it satisfies.

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VENUS IN CAPRICORN by Jeffery Wolf Green

As a pre-existing pattern, the Venus in Capricorn person has learned to be very cautious and controlled in how they express themselves and relate to other people. This external relatedness pattern is a reflection of how they have learned to inwardly relate to themselves: the Venus in Capricorn person has very deep feelings and needs that take time to surface into their conscious awareness. Even when they do surface these individuals require time to make sure, and feel secure, that what they are feeling, or are needing, is correct. Even then, they can be very slow to relate, share, or communicate these feelings and/or needs to others because of a pre- existing fear of rejection and/or false judgment. This pre-existing fear has occurred because these individuals have experienced rejection and/or wrong judgment all too often early in their life, from one or both of their biological parents.

The nature of Capricorn, as an archetype, correlates to the phenomena of time and space, and how time and space are structured or organized. It correlates to the phenomena of finitude or mortality, and to the nature of how collectives of people organize themselves into structured groups or societies with consensus-formed, manmade laws, regulations, norms, taboos, and customs. This in turn creates social expectations of how people should integrate and conduct themselves within the group or society (the expectation to conform) which, in turn, becomes the basis of social judgments. And when the expectation to conform to what the consensus expects does not occur, this becomes the basis of guilt.

In addition, Capricorn correlates to the structure and nature of consciousness in human form, to the nature of structure in any form, and to the use of form. It also points to the need to change the nature of structural form when that form has become counterproductive to necessary change--that is, when it has served its use and become crystallized. In psychological terms, Capricorn correlates to the function of conscious reflection which allows for a simultaneous awareness of the overall state of our beingness and what we need to change, inwardly and outwardly, in order to grow. Because of Capricorn's correlation to time and space, finitude, and mortality, it also correlates to psychological/emotional maturation, aging, defining the focus of our life via goals and ambitions, and the self-determination that this requires. Negatively speaking, this can produce the psychology of futility, pessimism, fatalism, and self-defeat.

The Venus in Capricorn person has typically been born into family structures in which the parental reality has been defined by the consensus of the society in which they live. Consequently, the parental reality has typically had a heavy undertone in which the child has been expected to conform to the parental value system. When the child deviated from these expectations to conform, he or she was made to feel guilty in covert or overt ways through the use of judgment. A related dynamic within the general pattern of expectation to conform to parental values is one wherein the parents have projected on the child a rigid code of conduct that the child is expected to adhere to even when the parents themselves do not. The cliché "Do as I say, not as I do" applies here. This creates the very real perception in the child of hypocrisy and double standards. Within this, the very way in which the parents related to themselves has typically been very rigid, controlled, emotionally distant, and perfunctory. There is a lack of spontaneity, and a lack of any real demonstrations of affection or love between them. Quite the contrary: the parents are generally very controlled in their emotional interrelatedness with one another. The nature of their relationship is commonly defined by predictable routine and order which each parent expects the other to adhere to and maintain. There is also a mutual fear of being too vulnerable with one another, and their sexual life is either blocked or distorted in some way. All of this has served to "imprint" the overall psychology and emotional reality of the Venus in Capricorn child.

As a result of this, the Venus in Capricorn individual learned as a child to deeply compress and protect their feelings. They learned that their needs could not be acknowledged, supported, or nurtured by their parents. As a result, they learned to either conceal or suppress their needs. This process of learning to control their emotional demonstrations is a reflection of the survival instinct. It is based on the situation in which the parents expected the Venus in Capricorn child to act almost like miniature adults, to shoulder many duties and responsibilities-in short, to control or suppress the normal behavior of the child. This undermines and stifles the child's true nature and activities.

Because there has been no real emotional support or nurturing relative to their actual needs and desires, there is a deep wellspring of insecurity that is born out of this type of parental environment. Thus, the normal emotions and needs of the child have become buried deep into the subconscious of many individuals who have Venus in Capricorn. These emotions and needs become psychologically displaced and surface later on in their adult life. This is important to understand because whatever any of us suppress, for whatever reasons, becomes distorted. Thus, the emotions and needs of these individuals have typically become distorted as adults because of the psychological displacement caused when they were children.

One of the displaced emotions that can surface in a distorted way concerns the nature of authority. Because of the typically authoritarian nature of the parental environment the Venus in Capricorn person has had their own inner sense of authority fractured, suppressed, or crushed. As an adult, this displaced emotion can manifest in a few different ways depending on the overall nature of the person in question, as seen in the totality of their birth chart. For some, their underlying insecurity will manifest as a very timid, shy, reserved, and fearful way of relating to other people in general.

In their intimate relationships, this type will typically attract controlling, dominating, willful, judgmental, hypocritical and authoritarian individuals who more or less expect the of Venus in Capricorn person to be vicarious extensions of their own reality and to be dependent on them. This type of Venus in Capricorn person would have had almost no sense of being emotionally nurtured as a child. Thus, this additional displaced emotion now manifests as wanting to be taken care of by this type of partner: to be dependent in order to feel safe and secure.

For others, this will manitest in an almost opposite way. These types have so thoroughly imprinted the nature of the authoritarian parental environment that they become very intense, authoritarian types who perpetually need to assert and project their own sense of authority in order to feel secure. The underlying insecurity that haunts all Venus in Capricorn individuals becomes compensated for in this way. As a result, these types are instinctively fearful of losing their authority, and will do almost anything to sustain it. To them, the end justifies the means. They will typically feel afraid of anyone else who has legitimate authority, and will generally challenge, or in some way attempt to undermine, the authority of such people in order to sustain their own. The means most commonly used are contrived and harsh negative judgments and pronouncements, and power plays in which they attempt to block or thwart the goals and ambitions of others. This type, even if they have no actual authority, will attempt to associate with others that do. Their sense of authority is thus created through vicarious association. In their general relatedness patterns with others they will appear stoic, controlled, project an authoritarian stance, and attempt to control others through the use of judgment in one way or another. An example of this point could be the person who was the co-author of a book, who continuously reminded the other author that it was important to keep their names in the public eye in one way or another-the implied judgment being that if they did not, then no one would give them any interest or attention. On an inner basis, this type is emotionally frozen and fearful of their vulnerability. In their intimate relationships, these types attract one of two types of partners. One type will be just as oriented to outward success, appearances, and social ambition as they are. Their inner life will be just as emotionally frozen as well. They may relate well through the commonality of their external goals and ambitions, yet their inner emotional relatedness will be slim to none. The other type will be just the opposite: a very emotionally needy individual who is essentially looking for a de facto parent to be in relationship to. This type will be very dependent, and essentially attempt to live through the Venus in Capricorn's identity and reality. They will have no real life of their own, and subconsciously feel safe in being dominated and controlled. When this type of Venus in Capricorn attracts that kind of partner, it is really a reflection of their own subconscious desire to lose control, to be cared for, and to be nurtured more or less like a baby. Of course, they would never admit to this even though it is true. This subconscious desire reflects yet another form of the displaced emotions of childhood that were conditioned by living in the antithesis of a warm, caring, and supportive emotional environment.

Within all Venus in Capricorn individuals lies a very deep and reflective consciousness. To others, this can create the appearance of a withdrawn, quiet, reserved, conservative, and serious person. One of the potential causes for this reflective, inward-looking focus is the fact that many Venus in Capricorn people are born with an unresolved grief, or a grief that has been created in their early life which is also unresolved as adults. As a result of this, the Venus in Capricorn person can seem as if they are in a perpetual or cyclic state of mourning. Their hearts seem to be burdened and sad. There can be many causes of this condition. The typical causes are childhoods in which there was not real love, caring, or nurturing; adult relationships that were devoid of any real emotional interaction, love, or support; the witnessing and experiencing of political or religious upheavals in which many people were hurt or destroyed; and/or political or environmental conditions in which great plagues, famine, or physical destitution occurred. Another typical cause can be a situation where the Venus in Capricorn person was, or is, in a relationship lacking in any real inner relatedness with the partner and which, in turn, created an attraction to another who could or would give them what they needed. Yet, because the Venus in Capricorn person is inherently oriented to honoring their commitments based on their sense of obligation, duty, and being responsible, the attraction to another has been typically suppressed and not acted on. Thus, this creates a deep inner suffering leading to a state of grief or mourning. The results of whatever the causes have been have produced a more or less traumatized heart, and an emotional structure that lies deeply buried within these individuals. In the Anton Chekhov play The Seagull there was a character that was always dressed in black. A person asked her why she always dressed this way. Her answer was "because I am in mourning for my life!" This character symbolizes the heavy heart of Venus in Capricorn people until they are unlocked.

This is a rather sad state of affairs because, in reality, the Venus in Capricorn individual is a highly emotional person. Deep within themselves they are intrinsically warm, caring, nurturing, and sensual. Yet because they have learned to protect themselves due to the fear of being vulnerable and wrongly judged, and because their emotional body is essentially traumatized due to the above causes, it requires a very special kind of person to help them unlock their emotional nature. This kind of person must be very patient and gentle in encouraging the Venus in Capricorn person to access their feelings and needs. They must be the type of person who can help them understand the basis of what constitutes their own inner judgmental patterns, and to help them be free of those patterns. Within this, this type of person must have a deep understanding of the nature of societal and parental imprinting, and how it has caused the Venus in Capricorn person to conceal and suppress their natural emotional needs. They must be able to teach these individuals that it is necessary for them to learn how to relate, express, and communicate themselves freely and openly-to ask for what they need. This is essential, because all too often the Venus in Capricorn person silently expects that their partner should just know what they need without asking. In this way they recycle their sense of disappointment linked with childhood--the inner child's disappointment in its parents' unwillingness to give to it what it needed.

All of this must be done through positive reinforcement and non- judgment. Over time, this approach will help the Venus in Capricorn person hear differently. Instead of hearing and being over-sensitive to judgmental, critical, and authoritarian words which reflect the nature of their childhood imprinting, they will now hear words of acceptance, empowerment, and encouragement. They will hear that they are good and loving people who do not need to feel guilty for who they are. They will accept encouragement to define their own unique values, and to structure their life accordingly. They will begin to examine the nature of their conditioning patterns, and, in so doing, to be as free from those patterns as possible. Above all, the Venus in Capricorn person needs another who will hold and touch them so that the early lack of nurturing in their early environment can be healed as an adult. In fact, the key to unlocking the Venus in Capricorn person occurs through touch. Once they feel a sense of safety in this way, the Venus in Capricorn person will naturally begin to open up in a very slow and methodical way.

Once the Venus in Capricorn person is unlocked, their natural warmth, depth, and loving natures will be revealed. Instead of seeming forever reserved, serious, sad, fearful, and strangely old even when young, the opposite will occur--the inner child that resides deeply within will be set free. Now they will seem almost childlike in their emotional expressions, playful, and enthused instead of being morose and depressive. Instead of being controlled in their emotional relatedness with another, they will now be free to express their love and feelings as they occur. They will discover that their feelings and needs are deep, and they will learn that it is all right to have these deep feelings and needs. When this occurs, they will begin to radiate a deep and earthy sensuality that is magnetic and attractive to many people. Instead of walking with closed shoulders, head bowed, and protective clothing, they will now walk upright, head held high, dressing as they please. In their intimate relationships they will become very giving, supportive, loyal, warm and highly sexual.

Once the inner child is set free in this way the Venus in Capricorn person will begin life anew, no matter what age they are when this finally happens. At this point they will find themselves reflecting on the nature of their past. In this reflection they will develop a deep self-knowledge which will allow them redefine not only themselves, but the very nature of what we all call reality. In this way, they will redefine their sense of purpose relative to their role or function within society. And once this is done they will set themselves in motion to actualize this sense of purpose because of the inherent self-determination that they are born with.

Sexually speaking, the Venus in Capricorn person is naturally monogamous. They will naturally value the power of commitment. Conditioning patterns not withstanding, the Venus in Capricorn person is naturally a deeply sexual archetype. By nature, they need to be "warmed up" through holding, touching, and kissing before actual intercourse. They need the act of sexual intercourse to be long and sustained. The depth of the Venus in Capricorn person's feelings can be ignited through the length of the sexual act. Because of the inherent tendency to withhold or suppress their feelings, needs, and emotions, the Venus in Capricorn person also desires sexual intensity. The degree of intensity directly corresponds to the unlocking of their feelings, needs, and emotions. They require fidelity from their partners because of the pre-existing pattern that creates a fragile and negative self-image. If their partner sleeps with someone else, then this will only add to the feeling that there must be something wrong with them. They require sexual integrity, honesty, and respect. If a partner attempts to sexually subjugate them, or to degrade them for any reason, the Venus in Capricorn person will feel intensely contaminated, dirty, and guilty. This will only add to, and deepen, their negative self-judgment. When the Venus in Capricorn person is unlocked they discover that their sexual nature and need is constant. There is not much of a need for sexual experimentation. Straight, hard sex is their main orientation. Many will have an attraction to the anal canal as a source of sexual stimulation because, symbolically speaking, the anal canal represents that which we suppress in ourselves. Thus, when this area is stimulated sexually the Venus in Capricorn person is actually unlocking that which has been suppressed within them. Many will also have an oral sexual orientation as well. This typically occurs because of a breakdown in the early bonding process between mother and child linked with nursing. This breakdown thus creates a form of emotional arrest or displacement that manifests in their adult lives as an oral sexual orientation. The sexual intensity that the Venus in Capricorn requires can also uncover one of the deepest fears that they have: the fear of losing control, yet desiring to do so. The Venus in Capricorn person thus affected must learn that this fear is actually linked with the fear of being too vulnerable. Consequently, the sensitive lover will encourage them to "lose control" because real freedom and growth for the Venus in Capricorn person lies in their accessing the core of their emotions: that which is most vulnerable.

For the Venus in Capricorn person who remains locked, their sexual nature can be frozen to the point of being frigid or impotent. A lesser form of this is when the sexual act is simply reduced to a sense of perfunctory duty and obligation: the "grin and bear it" approach for women, and the woman as simply a sexual object for the man. For many, this will simply translate into no sexual activity whatsoever. This condition or state of affairs occurs when there is an unconscious or conscious association of guilt linked with the natural sexual needs and desires of the body and Soul.

For evolution to proceed, Venus in Capricorn must embrace its polarity: Cancer. In the last several years, ever since Neptune and Uranus began their transit through the sign Capricorn relative to Pluto transiting Scorpio, there has been a tremendous focus in the world of psychology to uncover and heal the inner wounded child. The natural polarity to Capricorn is Cancer. Archetypally speaking, the two signs that most perfectly correlate to this focus are Capricorn and Cancer. Thus, the Venus in Capricorn person must embrace Cancer in the sense of reflecting deeply on the nature of his or her psychological imprinting created by the nature of the parental environment, and, through extension, by the nature of the society that the Venus in Capricorn person has been born into. In this reflection the intention must be focused on how this imprinting or conditioning has shaped and defined the Venus in Capricorn's self-image. In essence, the evolutionary intention reflected through Cancer is to totally re-create a new self-image that is free from the shackles, chains, and conformity reflected in the imprinting and conditioning of the parental and societal environment. In this way they will not only feel different about themselves, but they will learn to "hear" differently from within themselves. Now they will learn that what they are hearing about their needs, emotions, and feelings are messages that reflect their need to heal the negative self-image created in childhood.

In this reflection, the Venus in Capricorn person will discover that they have become "emotionally arrested" at some point in their early life. This means that their emotional development and maturation became blocked or stopped at some point when they were children. They are living the wounded child syndrome. Thus, to evolve, these people need to go backward in order to go forward (the Cardinal archetype). In order to create a new self-image, Venus in Capricorn people must take themselves back to the time in which this wounding or emotional arrest took place. Through reflection they will discover childhood memories that house the causal factors of their emotional arrest. By focusing on those memories, these individuals will determine how their self-image in general and their emotional dynamics specifically were shaped and defined. In essence, it is from this time forward that these individuals must learn to "decondition" themselves in order to re-create a new self-image.

Once this deconditioning begins the Venus in Capricorn person will allow the inner Cancer archetype to live and thrive. They will learn to allow their feelings, needs, and emotions to be unearthed and set free- -tO remove all guilt associations linked with the very essence of their beingness. They will learn to relate their emotions, feelings, and needs in a free and non-restricted way. They will lose their fear of rejection and false judgment. They will learn the security that they have been looking for lies deeply within themselves. They will discover self-empowerment in this way. They will learn who to trust, and who not to trust. Those that will accept them, and encourage them to be who they are, will become those that they trust. They will learn to create a new self-image that will allow them to integrate into society in a new way, based on values that are consistent with their intrinsic individuality. In this way, the inner child will heal and be set free to become an adult who is self-secure, healed, and unafraid to be who they are.


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